Matchday 34 - Everton v Nottingham Forest - „El Fiasco!“ - Sunday, 21st April KO 1:30pm

[EmmersonForest4]

You cannot tackle from behind full stop.

You weren’t allowed to do it sixty years ago and rules on tackling have become much tougher since. As a young defender my peers made it clear to me sixty years ago.

I will not post a reply to you on this issue again because unlike you I have neither the appetite or time to waste on such a straightforward issue.

That’s fair all I can say is I disagree with you that this is a straightforward issue. You are entitled to your opinion. Have a great day I am not falling out with a fellow red!

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

Fame at last.

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We've fallen a long way since Father Ted

 

[andyd]

That’s fair all I can say is I disagree with you that this is a straightforward issue. You are entitled to your opinion. Have a great day I am not falling out with a fellow red!

I actually agree with both Louth Red and you here Emmo.

For me the Reyna challenge isn't a penalty, or should I say, it's not something I want to see given as a penalty. It was soft as anything and in my opinion that being given as a penalty is everything that is wrong with football in 2024.

However, in the current Premier League that we are watching IT IS A PENALTY. You see that exact challenge given as a penalty or free kick over and over again, week after week in this league and therefore it not being given to us yesterday is absolute robbery, before we even get to the next two which were absolute stonewallers in any game anywhere ever.

I don't like it and wish that wasn't ever given, but I like it even less that it's given to everyone else and not to us. It was 100% a penalty.

 

[Robertson]

I actually agree with both Louth Red and you here Emmo.

For me the Reyna challenge isn't a penalty, or should I say, it's not something I want to see given as a penalty. It was soft as anything and in my opinion that being given as a penalty is everything that is wrong with football in 2024.

However, in the current Premier League that we are watching IT IS A PENALTY. You see that exact challenge given as a penalty or free kick over and over again, week after week in this league and therefore it not being given to us yesterday is absolute robbery before we even get to the next two which were absolute stonewallers in any game anywhere ever.

I don't like it and wish that wasn't ever given, but I like it even less that it's given to everyone else and not to us. It was 100% a penalty.

For example Ola Aina on whoever it was at St James Park.

 

[Dino]

They aren't

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The PGMOL certainly are. They'll probably double down for our remaining games this season and we'll see a combination of Luton, Burnley, Blades and Everton fans on VAR.

 

[ozthecoz]

The media dont help matters.

Rather than call out blatant cheating by Players they revel in it

https://talksport.com/football/1838225/ashley-young-justin-timberlake-post-everton-forest/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=talksportfacebook&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1713790445

 

[Rosie]

I’m not usually (too) violent, but I certainly would like to meet him in a dark alley. In the immortal words of Jim Royle, winky-face emoji my a**e.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

By the way I like much more our statement asking for teh PGMOL to release the conversations between the refs. Thats a far more sensible step although it didnt need to be a public ask. Problem is the first statement has made us look like angry little cranks who this there is a conspiracy. Cricket and Rugby all have conversations you can hear and I think Football needs to emulate that.

 

[MC Plantpot]

The Reyna one for me was a nailed on dive though. I played as a striker and you dont go dont like that after a kick. If its enough you go down instantly. The other 2 I thought were massive pens. However there is wiggle room as I discussed for refs.

Agreed.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I think most people would agree the Reyna one was a little soft.

But the problem is, that sort of foul has been given time and time again this year, and there have been fouls which are softer still which have been given.

You can't argue it's a reasonable decision if an alternative decision is given to every other club.

 

[Redemption]

I think most people would agree the Reyna one was a little soft.

But the problem is, that sort of foul has been given time and time again this year, and there have been fouls which are softer still which have been given.

You can't argue it's a reasonable decision if an alternative decision is given to every other club.

The problem is that the assertion of consistency for all other clubs is a fallacy.

 

[Statto]

By the way I like much more our statement asking for teh PGMOL to release the conversations between the refs. Thats a far more sensible step although it didnt need to be a public ask. Problem is the first statement has made us look like angry little cranks who this there is a conspiracy. Cricket and Rugby all have conversations you can hear and I think Football needs to emulate that.

I think people had assumed from the tweet that there would be a major kicking off. It was unnecessary to that extent because all it said was that the club was pissed with the 3 non pens (actually 4) and that they had raised with PGMOL the VAR was a Luton fan and was considering the next steps.

Asking for the VAR recordings is logical and probably the next item in MC's scrap book.

If we think of how many points bad refereeing decisions could have cost us (and that's even including the non-pen on Neco in the West Ham game when we won) it is probably more damaging than the points deduction and maybe even where we've thrown points away due to players making silly mistakes.

You'd imagine the real drama would follow if we did get relegated because the club could legitimately cite bad decisions from referees as a contributory factor in a dispute.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

VAR had created more variables than it has removed, due to the inconsistencies and competencies it appears to just be a tool to steer the match in a certain direction than lead to the correct decision.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The problem is that the assertion of consistency for all other clubs is a fallacy.

Apologies. Let me fix:

Consistency for all other top six clubs*

 

[andover red]

By the way I like much more our statement asking for teh PGMOL to release the conversations between the refs. Thats a far more sensible step although it didnt need to be a public ask. Problem is the first statement has made us look like angry little cranks who this there is a conspiracy. Cricket and Rugby all have conversations you can hear and I think Football needs to emulate that.

Without the first statement, today's would have been a side note that woukd hardly have been seen or acknowledged. As a result of yesterday's statement, there is now extreme scrutiny. I know you don't like it but I do and I get the sense that more and more people are broadly supporting our sense of injustice.

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[Flaggers]

This is the problem with the way VAR works.

The onfield decision is considered to be correct unless it's obvious the referee missed something and got it wrong.

So we have potentially two identical challenges, one which is given by the ref and one which isn't, and VAR could potentially overturn neither.

With our non-pens the ref hasn't given it and the VAR presumably hasn't seen enough to disagree or call the ref over to the monitor.

But with the Rashford one there was minimal contact if any and the ref gave a pen but the VAR didn't see that there was a significant error (or another infringement which would invalidate the pen entirely, such as when we played Chelsea in the cup under Lamouchi and Mighten was offside before being brought down).

So yes, VAR should be clear to overturn a decision where they think the ref has got it wrong, and should have seen it, or didn't see it because they were unsighted, they should be asked to look at the monitor and think about it, at the very least. If they aren't the rules they should be.

The whole - has the ref got it wrong, is it something they would have seen, etc, it all works well enough to an extent but then they spend ages drawing lines for marginal offsides which the onfield team can only see once in real time from where they are.

And we return to my often-posted observation....

Which teams GET the on-field decisions in their favour and which teams don't................

 

[Flaggers]

As for Ashley Young's "Cry Me A River" tweet, you could almost suggest that not only did he know what he was doing, but that also he knew he was going to get away with it.

 

[magicwoand]

As for Ashley Young's "Cry Me A River" tweet, you could almost suggest that not only did he know what he was doing, but that also he knew he was going to get away with it.

Yep. Don't worry about fouls in the box, refs won't give them. No doubt we'll get a testimonial style penalty against us in our remaining games.

 

[Notcher]

As for Ashley Young's "Cry Me A River" tweet, you could almost suggest that not only did he know what he was doing, but that also he knew he was going to get away with it.

I've bookmarked it just in case the c**t does get relegated

 

[Berkshire Red]

Yep. Don't worry about fouls in the box, refs won't give them. No doubt we'll get a testimonial style penalty against us in our remaining games.

I was half expecting us to get one in the last minute of injury time.

 

[George cooney]

I’m not usually (too) violent, but I certainly would like to meet him in a dark alley. In the immortal words of Jim Royle, winky-face emoji my a**e.

My only worry i have here,Is what are you doing lurking down dark alleys.

 

[Strummer]

My only worry i have here,Is what are you doing lurking down dark alleys.

You‘ve never made it to one of the (in)famous Forum meet-ups, then?

They are inevitably held in the grubbiest, most sordid surroundings possible. Cos we‘re cheap.

 

[valspoodle]

Thinking about the Reyna 'foul' and soft penalties, wasn't it Stuart Atwell that gave the Danilo penalty at Old Trafford? And sent our captain Joe Worrall off?

 

[Statto]

Thinking about the Reyna 'foul' and soft penalties, wasn't it Stuart Atwell that gave the Danilo penalty at Old Trafford? And sent our captain Joe Worrall off?

yes

Taylor was on VAR

 

[Far have we travelled]

Spoke to a couple of grounded Everton fans on the train last night, and they were well happy to "have got away with one". They also said that they would prefer us to stay up as well.

To be fair, the great majority of Everton fans who I have had dealings with over the years have been pretty decent and grounded - unlike a good number of their peers in red.