king_congo_red
Ale Ape
Yeah, he's certainly unfortunate - has all the attributes to be able to grow into being a top level striker, but he's no use to anyone if he can't get on the pitch.
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Jack Armstrong
I don't think he's ever going to have an injury free spell, his body can't keep up with his physical approach and unfortunately his main impact is through his physicality. He's basically a glass cannon
Disagree, if Villa had placed him at like 8 then we would have.
17m got us Awoniyi, 15m for Davis would be absurd.
I'm still amazed how many people can't grasp that players who do well in the championship are not always premier league level. Of our promotion team we have effectively had Yates, Johnson, Worral & McKenna who have remained regulars. Johnson moved on but the other 3 are far from guaranteed starters.
O'brien, Toffolo, Bowler, Cook, Colback, Williams, Horvath, Panzo, Surridge, Spence (spurs).
These all had super seasons in the championship last couple seasons and of them all Toffolo and Williams are now 3rd choice full backs for us and the rest have either left or won't be in our 25 man squad this season.
Football is ruthless, and the step up is huge. If we had signed Davies or played Surridge as a key man than many on this forum wanted due to heart over head logic , we would have been far weaker last season and quite possibly would be now playing championship football once again.
Frank Clark’s Tash
Jack Burkitt
Some player's bodies just aren't cut out for the rigors of professional sport.
For all his ability and despite his build, it seems Davis just hasn't got the physical make-up required to stay injury free for any length of time.
For all his ability and despite his build, it seems Davis just hasn't got the physical make-up required to stay injury free for any length of time.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
While I feel for Davis and liked him as a player during our promotion run, the idea that he'd make the step up while suddenly getting over his continued fitness issues was always an odd one to me.
While I know when fit we saw an effective championship forward, in a 25 man PL squad you can't afford a striker with injury issues who doesn't score enough.
That said I hope he can stay fit long enough to realise some of his potential in a top flight league somewhere. I don't think it will ever be in the prem though for various reasons.
While I know when fit we saw an effective championship forward, in a 25 man PL squad you can't afford a striker with injury issues who doesn't score enough.
That said I hope he can stay fit long enough to realise some of his potential in a top flight league somewhere. I don't think it will ever be in the prem though for various reasons.
Statto
Free Kick Specialist
I think as well as that his style of play is actually conducive to injuries. He's a quick striker who uses pace and strength to take on and in some cases almost push his way through opposition defenders.
You'd assume he'd pick up plenty of impact related knocks and plenty of muscle strains from running.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
I've wondered if it's the explosive nature of his game, and whether his size means it puts too much strain on his muscular system.
That said, it won't help that he's always in recovery.
Redemption
One less gobshite...
It's a shame for the lad as somewhere, within him, is a decent player who was a joy to watch when he was on song. Reading at home and Blackburn away were highlights for me.
I'd expect that physios etc have tried help him build his body to suit his style but match his issues. Doesn't seem to have worked, tho!
But then I was always surprised David Bannister didn't wear big and baggy clothes to cope with his anger issues. His wardrobe must have cost a fortune.
I'd expect that physios etc have tried help him build his body to suit his style but match his issues. Doesn't seem to have worked, tho!
But then I was always surprised David Bannister didn't wear big and baggy clothes to cope with his anger issues. His wardrobe must have cost a fortune.
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Rzar
Bob McKinlay
I am not convinced he is unlucky, as Statto said his game dictates he is going to get injured. Just watching him for 5 minutes and you can see why he picks up so many injuries. Samba Sow was the same, almost every touch he had ended in some kind of contact with the opposition whether he's tackling them or getting tackled - injuries were inevitable.
I also think a lot of it is mental, players that are constantly injured won't play through an injury which could make things worse. A player that is never injured just plays through it.
I also think a lot of it is mental, players that are constantly injured won't play through an injury which could make things worse. A player that is never injured just plays through it.
MaxiRobriguez
Bob McKinlay
Cook and Toffolo stepped up. Weren't amazing but did a job.
Panzo, Horvath weren't even in our Championship side so no surprise they aren't regulars now.
Bowler was bought with an eye on relegation as a Johnson replacement.
Colback was shunted to left back as a needs must not as an ideal LWB. It's no surprise he didn't make the step up when played back in CM last year.
That leaves OBrien, Williams, Surridge and Spence, and only one of those players has been given adequate time on the pitch to make a judgement over whether they were good enough for the PL.
I think you're being overly critical, especially given the concern over Worrall, McKenna and Yates making the step up, all of whom have.
Would Davis have made the step up if he wasn't an injury crisis? Almost certainly in my opinion. Strong, tall, decent turn of pace, good hold up play, good ball carrying, good final third decision making. All the things you want in a modern centre forward in a league which is ever more physical.
Only thing he lacked was clinical finishing but if you add that to his game you are basically giving him the same traits as Haaland and he'd be worth 9 figures not the 9 million we may have paid if Villa didn't hold out for more.
He's not as good as Awoniyi though so I'm glad we used our money the way we did. But I still like Davis and hope he can get over his injury concerns so that one day he gets his shot in the PL.
Captain Sinister
Senior doom Monger
Davis would certainly not have been out of place last year.
He would have fitted in nicely in the physio's room.
As for evidence he wouldn't be good enough for the PL, how many PL games did he get for Villa?
And they were keen to let him go, despite asking £15m from Forest - they thought as PL new kids on the block we would be forced into paying that kind of dosh.
In the end they let him go for, what, £2m?
Says it all for me.
A real asset in the Championship; never a serious contender for a PL slot.
He would have fitted in nicely in the physio's room.
As for evidence he wouldn't be good enough for the PL, how many PL games did he get for Villa?
And they were keen to let him go, despite asking £15m from Forest - they thought as PL new kids on the block we would be forced into paying that kind of dosh.
In the end they let him go for, what, £2m?
Says it all for me.
A real asset in the Championship; never a serious contender for a PL slot.
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The Duke
John Robertson
Completely agree.
The Davis thing is crazy to me. He was good for us, but so were all of the players you also mention.
The names that did step up a level also did it to varying degrees but it's now fair to say they are premier league players and will develop further but also to different degrees.
The premier league is hard.
Why do you feel some people can't grasp that? Because some have said this one player could step up? Or they felt others also could? I genuinely think a fully fit Davis could have, as do others, but that's not saying the Premiership is the same as The Championship and every player could step up. It's not that some people are failing to grasp a basic concept of football or life, it's that some people have opinions on individual footballers
Also Williams made 14 appearances and Fulham fans didn't rate him, Panzo was dropped by Coventry who played three at the back so basically their 4th choice centre back, and Surridge started 7 games for Forest in a six-months spell, not sure I'd call them superb seasons. But I won't be condescending and say it amazes me what people consider a superb season these days.
Grenville 1898
Nicolás Domínguez - King of the Press
Davis is now with Udinese joining them on 1 Sep 2023. Has so far failed to make an appearance suffering with a calf injury.
Another player with real problems keeping fit.
Another player with real problems keeping fit.
TrickyTree101
First Team Squad
Our stats with Davies playing were excellent - I wish him all the best but as others have said calling him a biscuit would be an offence to biscuits - the kind of player that picks up an injury when the sunlight hits him. He has my thanks for getting us where we are, but is never going to be able to play move than 15-20 games a season
Mogwai
First Team Squad
It's such a shame for him. He was the best I've seen at Forest for holding the ball up. Multiple defenders would bounce off him and he always seemed to escape seemingly impossible situations with the ball still at his feet.
He's exactly the type of player that would transform this team right now...apart from the injuries.
He's exactly the type of player that would transform this team right now...apart from the injuries.
Malwood
Grenville Morris
He was the best player I've ever seen at that one particular niche skill. Literally the best ever.
Otis Redding
Try A Little Tenderness
For myself, I'd argue in favour of John O'Hare in terms of holding the ball, and that was during an era when centre-backs were allowed to be far, far more uncompromising, brutal even, than in the modern game. If you never saw O'Hare, then I take your point about Davis at Championship-level. If he could manage to remain fit he looks like he could possibly make the step-up, especially as he also has a turn-of-pace that worries defenders.
Cloughie1975
John Robertson
I agree that John O’Hare was excellent at holding the ball,Otis-although he was probably
slightly past his best when Clough signed him at Forest in 1975.I think he had his best days
at Derby alongside Kevin Hector.A very underrated player in my view.
As for Davis-it is such a shame about his injury problems.
Wes' Organ
Biggles
I could easily see a Michail Antonio in him and occasionally a Stan would pop up too. Real shame that he can't stay fit.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Agreed. Really good player when fit, I'd have him back here in a heartbeat if he wasn't so injury prone; a fully fit Keinan Davis would do a much better job of filling Taiwo's boots than Wood or Origi right now IMO. A real shame indeed.
There was a period, after he got match fit and just before he got injured, that he was awesome.
It's such a shame he's a permacrock because fully fit he would get into a lot of Premier League sides.
It's such a shame he's a permacrock because fully fit he would get into a lot of Premier League sides.
king_congo_red
Ale Ape
There was a time when clubs could take a risk on a player like that.
25 man squads have made it an impossibility though.