January 2024 Transfer Window

[Gyros Peter]

Might be interesting to see what Dennis can do when he isn't being asked to spend 90% of the game on the edge of his own penalty area?

He'd surely get less (opposition) assists.

(I joke, but as I've said before makes sense to give him a run under Nuno if we can't shift him - there's quite a strong rangers link though so we may have found a buyer: manager had him before.)

 

[IdiotTricky]

I also see that Wood, as well as costing 15m, has been reported as being on 100k a week, whilst he has a good record for Burnley and Newcastle in struggling situations, that is a lot of money for a cover striker who has spent much of his time here injured or missing. Some crucial goals he has had mitigate this somewhat though. But how many points is that wage going to cost us?

A good summary, though I disagree slightly regarding Wood. His wages may well be £100k a week, but what would be be paying an alternative?

All in all, he'll likely cost us around £30M over his contract (incl. fee), which doesn't strike me as too much for an established PL striker who seems to be a top, experienced professional and has started to show his worth in recent weeks.

Even if we'd signed a bright EFL prospect, we might be looking at maybe £15-20M overall, albeit with the sell-on potential if that player worked out.

Personally, I think he's a good fit for where we are now and he's definitely better than the likes of Weghorst was at "Big-6 Man U."

 

[vertigored]

We’ve known for a while that we have at least half a dozen players who are absolutely pointless for us, should never have been bought and needed to be moved on the second we bought them..
im Sure people within the club are aware and haven’t just been sat admiring the wage bill and have been trying to get them off the books and a new home, just hard trying to dress up you hwang in a way that other people want to take him off your hands…


think I’ve suggested before shoving them all in the club minibus and driving them round to every single club in europe till some fooker takes em all!

 

[Bob Fossil]

Mendes apparently offering us & Wolves Giovanni Reyna, the young American winger from Dortmund. He wants to leave in January.

Was the next big thing not long ago & his metrics are still decent.

Loan with option- yes please.

 

[IdiotTricky]

He'd surely get less (opposition) assists.

(I joke, but as I've said before makes sense to give him a run under Nuno if we can't shift him - there's quite a strong rangers link though so we may have found a buyer: manager had him before.)

I didn't know about the Rangers link, though imagine we'd make a substantial loss. I think we probably overpaid at £15M (iirc?), but he was pretty good for Watford. Would be nice if we could unlock some of that potential before selling him, imho.

 

[Monkman]

A good summary, though I disagree slightly regarding Wood. His wages may well be £100k a week, but what would be be paying an alternative?

All in all, he'll likely cost us around £30M over his contract (incl. fee), which doesn't strike me as too much for an established PL striker who seems to be a top, experienced professional and has started to show his worth in recent weeks.

Even if we'd signed a bright EFL prospect, we might be looking at maybe £15-20M overall, albeit with the sell-on potential if that player worked out.

Personally, I think he's a good fit for where we are now and he's definitely better than the likes of Weghorst was at "Big-6 Man U."

I agree, I thought we were past moaning about Wood's fee. We'd be a bit knackered without him this season.

 

[youreds1986]

Mendes apparently offering us & Wolves Giovanni Reyna, the young American winger from Dortmund. He wants to leave in January.

Was the next big thing not long ago & his metrics are still decent.

Loan with option- yes please.

I'd definitely take him. Covers the 10 role, too.

High upside signing. I'd take either a loan or even a permanent if the money isn't too bad.

Need to shift a few out first, though.

 

[youreds1986]

I agree, I thought we were past moaning about Wood's fee. We'd be a bit knackered without him this season.

We overpaid on fee and wages. But not by as much as many people make out.

He's a proven scorer if you get him in the opposition box and supply him. He absolutely was a waste of money when he was stood 50 yards from goal trying to get his head on another Joe Worrall clump forward, though.

 

[Monkman]

He showed against Newcastle that there's more to him than just a box poacher too tbf.

 

[Listen 'ere young man]

John Percy claims that trimming the team may involve Orel Mangala, Joe Worrall, Scott McKenna, Andrew Omobamidele, Felipe, Serge Aurier and Ethan Horvath.

Surely you will not try to offload four CBs; you'd only be left with three and Panzo.

With all those CBs out of the door, we'd have no one left bar Murillo pre AFCON boys coming back and Niakhate potentially out for longer.

 

[Monkman]

With all those CBs out of the door, we'd have no one left bar Murillo pre AFCON boys coming back and Niakhate potentially out for longer.

As I said above, I reckon that's just the longlist - we'd consider moving on 1-2 of the 4 but not all of them. Just depends who we can shift.

 

[Erik]

I think with the FFP issues we'll be careful and keep our head down this window.

It will be quiet, probably 4 or 5 out and only 17 in.

 

[Ashley]

I think we the FFP issues we'll be careful and keep our head down this window.

It will be quiet, probably 4 or 5 out and only 17 in.

You are Marinakis and I claim my unnecessary glamour signing, 2 players loaned straight to Olympiacos and 5 signings that won't ever play for us and may not actually exist.

 

[Red Dog in a Forest]

I'd keep Tavares as well btw.

We looked pedestrian without Elanga v Blackpool first half & he added pace & changed the game when he came on. He'll be vital if Elanga gets injured or needs a rest.

It’s a good idea, if we can change his loan terms. Haven’t we got an obligation to buy after six games?

He’s played for us 4 times so far. Let’s hope someone has told Nuno the deal structure!

Outside of this and in regards to Percy’s list, a net zero spend…does that mean we receive say 10m (Mangala and Worrall should cover this) in fees this year (amortised) and save 5m in wages (across the above plus Felipe, McKenna etc), so that’s what available to spend?

If so, that’s a decent transfer kitty!

4 players for 25m on 5 year contracts - 10m transfer fee amortised over the next 5-6 months.

Those 3 players on 50k a week - 5m wages amortised over the next 5-6 months.

Now I know we won’t do this!

I’d look at Chalobah on loan if he doesn’t move. We’d definitely play him if all the CBs listed are sold. Plus, it puts him in the shop window for Chelsea…and he might just like it here?

If we persist with Tavares and we hit his games clause, then I’d look at Reiss Nelson. He’s available for a loan, and we can have two loans from the same club if one is an obligation to buy.

That would show that we’re being sustainable and leaves the pot for the summer. Surely the Independent panel would look at that as us doing our best to be compliant?

Not ideal, but offload a few, loan a couple, reduce (hopefully) a possible points deduction and finish higher up the table?

 

[Gyros Peter]

I heard ten games for Tavares.

 

[It's Baggio]

Might not have much choice with AFCON but if possible, I'd rather hold off on triggering the buy clauses for Tavares/Montiel.

 

[IdiotTricky]

I heard ten games for Tavares.

This kind of thinking strikes me as a bit crazy. 3 games for Wood? 10 games for Tavares? How can you judge a player on so few appearances? I'm not suggesting that either player isn't of the required quality or the right fit for us, but how does it benefit the club taking the player on loan if you're pretty much obligated to buy after a handful of appearances? Unless it's about signing a player you've already targeted a window earlier and paying any transfer fee the following window?

 

[isaacs]

This kind of thinking strikes me as a bit crazy. 3 games for Wood? 10 games for Tavares? How can you judge a player on so few appearances? I'm not suggesting that either player isn't of the required quality or the right fit for us, but how does it benefit the club taking the player on loan if you're pretty much obligated to buy after a handful of appearances? Unless it's about signing a player you've already targeted a window earlier and paying any transfer fee the following window?

Woodies case is straight forward enough, on the books its a loan for the 22/23 season but because we would activate his clause by playing in so few games after the January transfer window it would activate the permenant move and more importantly for the club it meant that his fee (15m-17.5m is the apparent ballpark region) would be moved on to this years expenditure.

Tavares was a straight punt, less than 10 games but sufficient enough time for us to get a good look at him for ourselves especially after his horrific time at Arsenal but vastly improved season at Marseille last year. He did also suit the 5 at the back system as a wing back who was very good going forward but pretty shocking in the opposite direction. And to be fair everytime he did play for us he showed us exactly that. I'm not sure if Nuno rates him but maybe tomorrow night is an opportunity for him to put forward a strong case. If he isn't involved i'd imagine he is on emergency cover until the end of the window, with Aina back from Afcon shortly after.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

You are Marinakis and I claim my unnecessary glamour signing, 2 players loaned straight to Olympiacos and 5 signings that won't ever play for us and may not actually exist.

That makes me wonder, how many signings have we made since Marinakis got involved with signings (so the last 6-9 months of Fawaz's official tenure too) who have played less than 5 games for us, and what percentage of the overall signings that adds up to?

It'd be an interesting stat, and something maybe the club should look at when totaling up fees and wages for FFP to reflect on where we may have gone wrong.

 

[Statto]

A good summary, though I disagree slightly regarding Wood. His wages may well be £100k a week, but what would be be paying an alternative?

All in all, he'll likely cost us around £30M over his contract (incl. fee), which doesn't strike me as too much for an established PL striker who seems to be a top, experienced professional and has started to show his worth in recent weeks.

Even if we'd signed a bright EFL prospect, we might be looking at maybe £15-20M overall, albeit with the sell-on potential if that player worked out.

Personally, I think he's a good fit for where we are now and he's definitely better than the likes of Weghorst was at "Big-6 Man U."

I am not and have never really been a fierce critic of Wood because it has been obvious through his career that he is a goalscorer and will score when used properly.

It shows how difficult it is when the top sides regularly struggle to find decent strikers. City have 2 which is why they usually do so well.

But we have paid that for a bench option and he is one of the highest earners at the club when we have first choice strikers who are more effective and on a lot less.

If Wood hadn't scored that goal against City, or the 3 he got earlier this season, or put in the performances vs Utd and Newcastle since Cooper left, there would be argument he had cost a lot for little return. And we're talking about 5 games there, which include our last 2.

 

[Gyros Peter]

That makes me wonder, how many signings have we made since Marinakis got involved with signings (so the last 6-9 months of Fawaz's official tenure too) who have played less than 5 games for us, and what percentage of the overall signings that adds up to?

It'd be an interesting stat, and something maybe the club should look at when totaling up fees and wages for FFP to reflect on where we may have gone wrong.

A quick scan says it's not that many on top of the ones we know about recently, and some were due to injury while others moving between us and Oly.

A look over the early windows of his tenure is worth a look, if only to remind how far we've come since the days of Molla Wague etc.

Edit: percentage wise it'll be low, but the volume of players in/out is huge.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

A quick scan says it's not that many on top of the ones we know about recently, and some were due to injury while others moving between us and Oly.

A look over the early windows of his tenure is worth a look, if only to remind how far we've come since the days of Molla Wague etc.

Edit: percentage wise it'll be low, but the volume of players in/out is huge.

I'd still include ones who were injured and moved to Oly in the equation.

 

[Bonfy177]

Mendes apparently offering us & Wolves Giovanni Reyna, the young American winger from Dortmund. He wants to leave in January.

Was the next big thing not long ago & his metrics are still decent.

Loan with option- yes please.

Do you have those metrics to hand Bob?

I’d just like to cast my expert eye over them .

 

[Strummer]

Reyna has long held great promise, but has regularly failed to deliver it in the Bundesliga.

He’s got talent, that there is no doubt, but he just doesn’t seem to be able to consistently impose himself on games.

 

[Project Zeus]

https://x.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1747257634733093149?s=20

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