Have a gander at this - Psycho!

[Rich]

Gratuitous pimping here!

http://www.leftlion.co.uk/articles.cfm/title/left-brian--january/id/7207

Comments always welcome.

 

[Yossarian]

"Personally, I’d sooner be relegated with Pearce in charge than promoted with Davies in charge."

Alrighty then.

 

[EmmersonForest4]

"Personally, I’d sooner be relegated with Pearce in charge than promoted with Davies in charge."

Alrighty then.

If that quote is in the article then that is mental IMO. The point of football is to be the best you can be and the biggest detriment to a football club is a loss of revenue and poor finances. A relegation in our situation would be a catastrophe.

I'll read the article fully when I get home from work but that sort of view which is based on idealism instead of practicality will harm the club more then having an equality of judgement of our managers.

That being said Pearce IMO will keep us up so let's see what he does next year, whilst we are here let's try stability considering we haven't in the past 5 years. It's more then reasonable to say history has proven sacking early hasn't helped.

We all want Pearce to be successful we have some favourable games coming up show us what you can do Psycho. COYR!!!!!!!!

 

[Rich]

If that quote is in the article then that is mental IMO. The point of football is to be the best you can be and the biggest detriment to a football club is a loss of revenue and poor finances. A relegation in our situation would be a catastrophe.

I'll read the article fully when I get home from work but that sort of view which is based on idealism instead of practicality will harm the club more then having an equality of judgement of our managers.

That being said Pearce IMO will keep us up so let's see what he does next year, whilst we are here let's try stability considering we haven't in the past 5 years. It's more then reasonable to say history has proven sacking early hasn't helped.

We all want Pearce to be successful we have some favourable games coming up show us what you can do Psycho. COYR!!!!!!!!

Football is about many things, and yes, being the best is one of them, but by no means the only thing.

Ask yourself this: if you jumped on the Chelsea bandwagon when they became rich, would you have enjoyed Drogba's Champions League winning penalty more or less than any of us enjoyed Osborn's goal against Derby?

 

[Arab Overlord]

"Personally, I’d sooner be relegated with Pearce in charge than promoted with Davies in charge."

Alrighty then.

If that's the gist of the article then I don't think I'll bother thanks.

 

[Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini]

The point of football is to be the best you can be

It's also about representing a people, a place and a principle. Stuart Pearce does that for Nottingham Forest Football Club better than any other candidate could hope to.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

It's also about representing a people, a place and a principle. Stuart Pearce does that for Nottingham Forest Football Club better than any other candidate could hope to.

MORE Than saint Cotterill?!?

 

[RedFaithful]

Quite bored of people pointing to Ferguson as an example. You can't continually point to such unique things like that.

You can however continually point to the fact that almost every team who gets promoted and stays there does it with a lot of good backroom work and with more time than a messily year to get the job done proper

 

[magicwoand]

Football is about many things, and yes, being the best is one of them, but by no means the only thing.

Ask yourself this: if you jumped on the Chelsea bandwagon when they became rich, would you have enjoyed Drogba's Champions League winning penalty more or less than any of us enjoyed Osborn's goal against Derby?

Plenty of people jumped on our bandwagon when we where champions of Europe.

 

[Arab Overlord]

It's also about representing a people, a place and a principle. Stuart Pearce does that for Nottingham Forest Football Club better than any other candidate could hope to.

So in theory, watching Forest play League 2 football but having a club that goes about it the right way and represents the city is better than having a Premier League side that is full of foreign mercenaries?

 

[Rich]

So in theory, watching Forest play League 2 football but having a club that goes about it the right way and represents the city is better than having a Premier League side that is full of foreign mercenaries?

I'm not sure you can't have foreign mercenaries in league 2, but in general there is a joy to be had from both of those scenarios. It just depends which one you personally feel the most joy from.

As an example, would you take 5 years mid table premiership football followed by bankruptcy and ceasing to exist or 5 years competing toward the top end of league 2?

Would you be happier with a final day of the season promotion to League 1 over a final day of the season avoidance of relegation from the Premier League?

What motivates you to support Forest?

 

[Rich]

Plenty of people jumped on our bandwagon when we where champions of Europe.

That's an interesting point. How many of them are still here?

I have an uncle who supported Forest in the 80s. He's now a Chelsea fan.

Some people want to support a team competing at the top, regardless of who it is. Some people want to support a team regardless of their standing in the pyramid.

Like I said above, just an internal question as to which camp you see yourself in.

 

[Rich]

Quite bored of people pointing to Ferguson as an example. You can't continually point to such unique things like that.

You can however continually point to the fact that almost every team who gets promoted and stays there does it with a lot of good backroom work and with more time than a messily year to get the job done proper

Inclined to agree here. The Ferguson example is an extreme case. But the numbers so stack up toward sticking with a manager.

 

[Arab Overlord]

What motivates you to support Forest?

In no particular order...

Watching good football.
Watching good players pull on the shirt.
Winning games (preferably with above good football played)
Watching players give a shit.
Seeing young talent coming through and doing well.

You could argue that those could happen at any level but having had a season ticket in League One when we were getting done at home Scunthorpe or away to Woking just depresses me. I never want to revisit that league again. I want to see us eating at the top table again and it frustrates the hell out of me when it seems like another year has passed without it getting closer.

 

[DanR]

So in theory, watching Forest play League 2 football but having a club that goes about it the right way and represents the city is better than having a Premier League side that is full of foreign mercenaries?

Absolutely YES. We are Nottingham Forest, the clue is in the name. I would certainly identify more with the former than the latter. It's an identity, it's who we are, it's different, it's not identikit players whoring themselves around the same lower mid-table clubs every January, it's not similar flatpack stadiums everywhere you go and it's not tickets for no less than £40 to watch the game at 8.00 on Monday nights, or 1.00 Sunday afternoon.

The Premier League is overrated. It's not worth destroying the club and 150 years of history over chasing an imaginary pot of Sky gold.

 

[Rich]

In no particular order...

Watching good football.
Watching good players pull on the shirt.
Winning games (preferably with above good football played)
Watching players give a shit.
Seeing young talent coming through and doing well.

You could argue that those could happen at any level but having had a season ticket in League One when we were getting done at home Scunthorpe or away to Woking just depresses me. I never want to revisit that league again. I want to see us eating at the top table again and it frustrates the hell out of me when it seems like another year has passed without it getting closer.

Is being in the Premier League the most important thing to you?

I'm not being critical of you, it's just a question.

I think people have different opinions on what is important to them, you see. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, nor necessarily right.

Ultimately come Saturday we all want Forest to win, and doing so with Pearce at the helm makes that sweeter.

The issue is do you get more joy from the winning or the doing?

We can't all be the same, so it's not a case of one option is right, one is wrong. That's the reason in the quote I used the word 'personally'.

I've personally seen a Forest side so well under managers in times when I just felt disconnected to the club. I didn't like that feeling.

 

[Arab Overlord]

Absolutely YES. We are Nottingham Forest, the clue is in the name. I would certainly identify more with the former than the latter. It's an identity, it's who we are, it's different, it's not identikit players whoring themselves around the same lower mid-table clubs every January, it's not similar flatpack stadiums everywhere you go and it's not tickets for no less than £40 to watch the game at 8.00 on Monday nights, or 1.00 Sunday afternoon.

The Premier League is overrated. It's not worth destroying the club and 150 years of history over chasing an imaginary pot of Sky gold.

Does it matter if we win on Saturday then?

I don't disagree totally, the PL is a closed shop but it's the be all and end all of football. Everything below it is an afterthought. Football is tribal and identity means a lot to the supporters. But at the end of the day it's a sport and sport is about winning and being the best you can be.

 

[winnits]

I like being an afterthought. It's sport immigrating life.

 

[magicwoand]

That's an interesting point. How many of them are still here?

I have an uncle who supported Forest in the 80s. He's now a Chelsea fan.

Some people want to support a team competing at the top, regardless of who it is. Some people want to support a team regardless of their standing in the pyramid.

Like I said above, just an internal question as to which camp you see yourself in.

All football fans want to see themselves doing well, it just seems sad that our winning mentality has eroded away to the extent that successful teams are frowned upon and their success doesn't count. It's just sour grapes really because we're not competing any more. And rather than trying to change our mindset to enable us to compete, we'd rather drastically lower our expectations and revel in mediocrity because our manager hasn't been able to get the best out of the team. It's weird.

 

[DanR]

Does it matter if we win on Saturday then?

I don't disagree totally, the PL is a closed shop but it's the be all and end all of football. Everything below it is an afterthought. Football is tribal and identity means a lot to the supporters. But at the end of the day it's a sport and sport is about winning and being the best you can be.

The Premier League is the be all and end all of football IF WE LET OURSELVES BELIEVE WHAT SKY TELL US. It's only 20 clubs. There are 72 other Football League clubs and many Conference clubs all run as professional football clubs, then hundreds of other non-league clubs throughout our country who will never have a sniff of the Premier League, you can't tell me that supporters of those clubs don't consider what they are doing to be worth taking pride in, or think it an irrelevance.

I will be there on Saturday, and would like to see us win. I'd like to see us have a go at promotion. I'd like to see us be more successful, but not at the cost of becoming an inflated self-important Premier League club which scalps its supporters to fill the pockets of mercenary players, agents and Sky TV.

 

[Samuel]

It's sad that so many people see something as silly as football do or die.

Football for me is about seeing my mates, having a pint or two, getting out to a setting as beautiful as the City Ground. Maybe having a sing along in LB.

Winning just ends up being a bonus.

 

[Arab Overlord]

Is being in the Premier League the most important thing to you?

I'm not being critical of you, it's just a question.

I think people have different opinions on what is important to them, you see. I don't think you're necessarily wrong, nor necessarily right.

Ultimately come Saturday we all want Forest to win, and doing so with Pearce at the helm makes that sweeter.

The issue is do you get more joy from the winning or the doing?

We can't all be the same, so it's not a case of one option is right, one is wrong. That's the reason in the quote I used the word 'personally'.

I've personally seen a Forest side so well under managers in times when I just felt disconnected to the club. I didn't like that feeling.

For me, personally I want to see the team winning. It affects my weekend when we win or lose in opposite ways and I'm sure there are others that feel the same.

I couldn't care less who the manager is or who the 11 is on the pitch as long as we're winning games. If the manager is a club legend then that is better but ultimately I support NFFC and not the current employees in charge at that time. The fact that the current manager is Stuart Pearce seems to mean more to some than it does to me. I prefer to look at what's he done here since taking over rather than be nostalgic and blinded by the name and the history behind it.

I have lost interest in this club on a few occasions, and by lost interest I mean that I still look out for the results and check the online messageboards every few days but the affect the club has on my life is much less. They certainly never saw a penny of my money during these times as I can't justify the £80 or so I would spent on the entire day watching the game.

My rough guidelines with this are as follows...

If the team seems like it is not interested then I lose interest myself (Kinnear era and last season under Gary Brazil)
If the side plays boring football (Platt, Megson, Pearce)
The club are taking the supporters for a ride (Megson)

 

[Barry]

All football fans want to see themselves doing well, it just seems sad that our winning mentality has eroded away to the extent that successful teams are frowned upon and their success doesn't count. It's just sour grapes really because we're not competing any more. And rather than trying to change our mindset to enable us to compete, we'd rather drastically lower our expectations and revel in mediocrity because our manager hasn't been able to get the best out of the team. It's weird.

No, this is weird.

 

[DanR]

Bill, is that how you listen to away games on the radio? I like your style.

 

[Barry]

Bill, is that how you listen to away games on the radio? I like your style.

Home games as well, except i use a red towel i got off skeggy market to match the kit.