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Going down

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stockers

Jack Armstrong
MaxiRobriguez said:
"What does success look like" - Wrong question for me. I don't really care about success, it's relative and flexible isn't it? 2 years ago success was getting out of the Championship, now for most of our fans it's breaking mid-table and pushing top six. We go down and success metric will change. I find it easier to look at the pros and cons of PL and Championship before deciding whether I'm comfortable with relegation.

Premier League Pros:
1) Football is undeniably better quality.
2) Games mean more.
3) Away games in bigger cities, make for better away days.

Premier League cons:
1) VAR.
2) Getting beat most weeks.
3) Games rescheduled constantly for TV audiences
4) Club feel justified in whacking up prices on everything.

Championship Pros:
1) Probably will be winning most of the time.
2) Chance to celebrate at end of season if we go-up.
3) Prospective Wembley trip if we end up in play-offs.
4) Cheaper tickets (or more likely, no more price rises)
5) No VAR (for now)
6) More games to go to.
7) More Saturday 3PM KOs.

Championship cons:
1) Rotherham and Plymouth away days.
2) Derby rivalry rekindled (snore)
3) Football will be worse quality
4) Games won't matter as much as our short term ambition is just to reinstate our PL status
5) Real risk that our expenditure in the PL can't be serviced by Championship revenue so we have to firesale players and we get mired in this league (or worse) for another extended period.

Overall it's a mixed bag, so on that basis I don't really care which league were in.
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I'd rather Rotherham and Plymouth than Brighton, Spurs (disgracefully shit atmospheres) every day of the week..
 
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Jack Armstrong
I don't think going down would feel that bad if we hadn't of completely brought it on ourseleves.. It's a shame but its been on the cards ever since we signed Jesse.. The concern is that the guy running the shit show doesn't seem to have the ability to learn from his constant mistakes s owe could quite easily go the other way..
 
MASE

MASE

Up-Front
Save for Coopers efforts at the end of last season, we've been something of a premier league laughing stock. With recent events compounding that & most people likely glad to see the back of us, ending this story by dropping intop the championship is inconceivable.

Stay up & do things far, far better has to be the mantra.
 
Redemption

Redemption

Chief Eye Roller
Irish Wolf said:
Not sure about anybody else but, for me, a shit day in the PL will always be preferable to a good day in the Championship.
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Same for me.

I would be a beneficiary of a return to the championship as I could go back to 10-15 matches per season, picking and choosing away and home fixtutes to suit bar one or two.

Last season, I managed 4 league games. This season, 2 so far with a possible 3rd on the horizon.

But I prefer the test of top tier football and all that comes with it.
 
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LiarsBar

Youth Team
Redemption said:
Same for me.

I would be a beneficiary of a return to the championship as I could go back to 10-15 matches per season, picking and choosing away and home fixtutes to suit bar one or two.

Last season, I managed 4 league games. This season, 2 so far with a possible 3rd on the horizon.

But I prefer the test of top tier football and all that comes with it.
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The highs in the Premier League are worth going through all the lows.
You don’t get that in the Championship.
Winning 2 home games back to back against Blackburn and Swansea, then drawing away at Preston? Nah, not for me anymore. I’ll take 3 away wins in 2 seasons in the big league and taking points off all the big 6 bar Spurs at home.
The low of last weekend will be worth it when Murillo finally scores from him own half on Sunday for a 1-0 win.
Corruption will go our way this time as City dropping points makes the title race more exciting for the product.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Let‘s be honest, the standard of football is night and day different between PL and Champ, and that gap is going to get wider and wider in the coming years, such is the increasing financial disparity between the two divisions.
 
Captain Sinister

Captain Sinister

Senior doom Monger
Strummer said:
Let‘s be honest, the standard of football is night and day different between PL and Champ, and that gap is going to get wider and wider in the coming years, such is the increasing financial disparity between the two divisions.
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It's a bit like the standard of football between top 6 and the rest is night and day, and the gap is going to get wider.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Captain Sinister said:
It's a bit like the standard of football between top 6 and the rest is night and day, and the gap is going to get wider.
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Well, you see that was the thing; previous suggestions have been made that there was little difference between the bottom half of the PL and the top half of the Champo, but I am not sure that is the case any more, given the amount of money even Forest have spent, building a squad that would be financially unviable to any Championship club, so that gap is getting worse.

Also, the top-six, ringfenced as they are, are getting richer and richer, and with their consistent European Football every season bringing further revenue.

This is the disadvantage of the protectionism of the top six, because you end up with (almost) a sort of mini league, based on the additional revenue those sides are able to gain, and - of course - on-field success then brings additional commercial revenue, which compounds the problem. And as long as those same, boring, six remain untouched and simply swap positions every season, nothing will change, because effectively, they have just managed to lock-out the other fourteen clubs, who realistically are squabbling simply not to get relegated, whilst finishing seventh might get you one of UEFA‘s lesser competitions (no disrespect to those competitions, of course, as they are still a competitive competition with a Trophy at the end of it, just ask Wet Sham).
 
RedHelly

RedHelly

Youth Team
I think we would be very safe by now if it weren't for all of the FFP and ref things.
Nuno is a decent manager for us at the stage we're at and has been unlucky to have to deal with all of the aforementioned crap and also the ridiculous AFCON absentees with the subsequent injury list.
I think we will stay up and I hope we do because the Championship is a devil to get out of, especially if we lose our best players.
Stay in the horrible Prem, get established, hope that the Super League happens soon and the EPL becomes fair and competitive once more.
I have been called a dreamer many times by the way.
 
Robertson

Robertson

Viv Anderson
Obviously I would prefer us to stay up otherwise what’s the point? I’m just not particularly terrified by the prospect of relegation. There will be some silver linings to the cloud. At least for the first six months until the reality kicks in.

By the way, I have a positive about our squad!!!! Sort of.

Other than Sels I don’t think anyone will be going to the Euros, so they’ll all get a nice break during June and July ready for pre-season 😁.
 
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valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
I think the choice of EPL or EFL is down to whether you can go to see Forest in the Prem.

Personally I'm just glad to have a team to support and the result is all important. So riding high in the Championship trying to win the playoffs is, for me, acceptable. Then we win the promotion again and the same jamboree happens. We struggle and finish in the lower reaches. Are we always going to accept that struggle to win games and finish in the lower half of the table?

The thought that we finish in the European places is of course present, but then we have the argument, do we really want to play in that half-arsed Conference League?
 
I'm Red Till Dead

I'm Red Till Dead

Stuart Pearce
Robertson said:
Obviously I would prefer us to stay up otherwise what’s the point? I’m just not particularly terrified by the prospect of relegation. There will be some silver linings to the cloud. At least for the first six months until the reality kicks in.

By the way, I have a positive about our squad!!!! Sort of.

Other than Sels I don’t think anyone will be going to the Euros, so they’ll all get a nice break during June and July ready for pre-season 😁.
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Cool, I'm sure the teams they are with next season will appreciate that.
 
Strummer

Strummer

Socialismo O Muerte!
LTLF Minion
Well, Orel Mangala is still officially a Forest player and he will be at the Euros with Belgium.
 
PynchonForest

PynchonForest

John Robertson
Strummer said:
Let‘s be honest, the standard of football is night and day different between PL and Champ, and that gap is going to get wider and wider in the coming years, such is the increasing financial disparity between the two divisions.
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Not certain about that. I think the gap is wide, yes. But the English Championship is still a highly regarded league, undoubtedly the best second tier league in world football. It's a higher standard than many top leagues in many nations---Scotland, Sweden, Norway and a host of other important nations. It's demonstrably better than MLS.
 
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jdthebrit

First Team Squad
Berkshire Red said:
Do they? Must have missed that part when we beat them in the play offs, and in August.

Are we now going to spend the next two weeks discussing how great Sheffield United are?
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Not at all, no. Don't know what I meant really - apart from "that" Play off semi-final and them beating us when they were plum last in the First Division last time we were here in this Division.
They will be absolutely up for it, and we had better be - that's all I was saying. Just guessing that Chelsea will be an easier gig.
 
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Berkshire Red

Jack Armstrong
jdthebrit said:
Not at all, no. Don't know what I meant really - apart from "that" Play off semi-final and them beating us when they were plum last in the First Division last time we were here in this Division.
They will be absolutely up for it, and we had better be - that's all I was saying. Just guessing that Chelsea will be an easier gig.
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Fair enough. They will be up for it, but I think they're always up for it. Wilder sides will never give less than their all. Unfortunately for them, they're just poor. So are we, could be a good game! (but we should shade it).
 
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