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Stuart Pearce
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Most of us know what it's like when the team we follow are having a bad season and lanquishing around the bottom of the table threatened with relegation. I found this piece where Carl Tiler recalled what it was like from the player side. Hopefully people will think before player bashing if we end up in that position again.
(Nottingham Evening Post, Friday, November 01, 1996)
VILLA DEFENDER CARL TILER KNOWS ALL ABOUT PRESSURES
Still haunted
But ex-Red Tiler can’t afford charity
Carl Tiler teils IAN EDWARDS about the relegation nightmare when he was at Forest
VILLA DEFENDER CARL TILER KNOWS ALL ABOUT PRESSURES
Still haunted
But ex-Red Tiler can’t afford charity
Carl Tiler teils IAN EDWARDS about the relegation nightmare when he was at Forest
CARL TILER remembers being abused in public and how the quality of his life was affected as he fought in vain against relegation for Brian Clough.
The stigma of failure clung to him like a limpet throughout that miserable nine months and around every corner there was always some wise-cracker ready to win a laugh at his expense, or worse an irate Forest fan demanding to know what he was going to do to put it right.
Tiler admits he never had the answer and only raised a smile of the false variety when held up to ridicule when all he ever wanted to do was hide away from the humiliations Forest were suffering on the pitch.
The central defender was, for probably the only time in his four year association, a key element of that team so he knows precisely what his old friends at the club are suffering now under Frank Clark. And even though his allegiances now lie elsewhere, the team have his deepest Sympathy.
“It’s a dreadful thing to go through and very hard to deal with when you’re own supporters are booing you off the pitch,” said Tiler.
“No one prepares you for that and it’s hard to keep your dignity. Fans pay good money and they are entitled to their opinion, especially if the team is not winning at home.
“And no matter how you try to blank it out, it does have an effect. I remember exactly what things were like four years ago. My quality of life went down the pan. I was single, so just stop to think what it’s like for players with families.
“Losing games and having fans on your backs doesn’t exactly make you the nicest person to live with and even when you try to keep your normal social: life going you can’t get away from it. I remember going into pubs with my real friends and you always get rival supporters giving you stick.
It’s difficult to keep civil. Sometimes you just have to walk away from the situation.”
Tiler never walked away from the fight on the field, Clough’s £1.5m signing made 37 appearances that season and feels that only one thing prevented Forest from remaining in the Premiership.
“The only thing we really lacked as a team was a goalscorer I think we had the eighth best defensive record in the league and we finished rock bottom so you don’t have to be a genius to work out the problem,” said Tiler.
“I thought we played some good stuff. I remember two games at the City Ground against Everton and Ipswich when we battered them and couldn’t score. They both had one chance in the games and beat us 1-0 .
“If we had won those two games it would have made a hell of a difference. All we needed was a couple of wins and we never really got them.
“People kept telling us that we were too good to go down and I believed them. I never thought for one minute, until we lost to Sheffield United, that we wouldn’t be able to get out of it.”
After the decline he suffered one personal set back after another which meant that injuries restricted him to just six appearances for new manager Frank Clark before he eventually left for Villa in October 1995 for £750,000.
Ironically at a time when Clark is searching for a dominant central defender to such an extent that he’s elevated the inexperienced Steve Blatherwick from the reserves, Tiler has re-emerged from a eight month injury lay off to be labelled the best header of a ball at Villa Park by manager Brian Little.
Ironically it was doing what he does best, jumping for a header, which cost him another eight months off his career. What initially was thought to be a torn hamstring was complicated by damaged nerve endings for which rest was the only cure.
After spending five hours a day, five days a week for five months in the gym and reporting back for pre-season training three weeks early, Tiler has finally benefited from the kind of bad luck which has been so firmly his in recent years it would make him the ideal candidate for separate BUPA cover.
Tiler returned to the Villa side four games ago following an injury to Steve Staunton and he intends to stay there this time. His chances have also been increased by the departure of Paul McGrath to Derby County.
“It’s nice that the roles have been reversed for a change I’m usually the one who gets injured and lets someone into the team who plays well and nicks my place,” said Tiler.
“Things haven’t exactly been perfect for me since I got here. get all the jokes about not playing and all that, but I’m only 26 and I want to prove to a few people that I’m capable of playing at the highest level.”
The stigma of failure clung to him like a limpet throughout that miserable nine months and around every corner there was always some wise-cracker ready to win a laugh at his expense, or worse an irate Forest fan demanding to know what he was going to do to put it right.
Tiler admits he never had the answer and only raised a smile of the false variety when held up to ridicule when all he ever wanted to do was hide away from the humiliations Forest were suffering on the pitch.
The central defender was, for probably the only time in his four year association, a key element of that team so he knows precisely what his old friends at the club are suffering now under Frank Clark. And even though his allegiances now lie elsewhere, the team have his deepest Sympathy.
“It’s a dreadful thing to go through and very hard to deal with when you’re own supporters are booing you off the pitch,” said Tiler.
“No one prepares you for that and it’s hard to keep your dignity. Fans pay good money and they are entitled to their opinion, especially if the team is not winning at home.
“And no matter how you try to blank it out, it does have an effect. I remember exactly what things were like four years ago. My quality of life went down the pan. I was single, so just stop to think what it’s like for players with families.
“Losing games and having fans on your backs doesn’t exactly make you the nicest person to live with and even when you try to keep your normal social: life going you can’t get away from it. I remember going into pubs with my real friends and you always get rival supporters giving you stick.
It’s difficult to keep civil. Sometimes you just have to walk away from the situation.”
Tiler never walked away from the fight on the field, Clough’s £1.5m signing made 37 appearances that season and feels that only one thing prevented Forest from remaining in the Premiership.
“The only thing we really lacked as a team was a goalscorer I think we had the eighth best defensive record in the league and we finished rock bottom so you don’t have to be a genius to work out the problem,” said Tiler.
“I thought we played some good stuff. I remember two games at the City Ground against Everton and Ipswich when we battered them and couldn’t score. They both had one chance in the games and beat us 1-0 .
“If we had won those two games it would have made a hell of a difference. All we needed was a couple of wins and we never really got them.
“People kept telling us that we were too good to go down and I believed them. I never thought for one minute, until we lost to Sheffield United, that we wouldn’t be able to get out of it.”
After the decline he suffered one personal set back after another which meant that injuries restricted him to just six appearances for new manager Frank Clark before he eventually left for Villa in October 1995 for £750,000.
Ironically at a time when Clark is searching for a dominant central defender to such an extent that he’s elevated the inexperienced Steve Blatherwick from the reserves, Tiler has re-emerged from a eight month injury lay off to be labelled the best header of a ball at Villa Park by manager Brian Little.
Ironically it was doing what he does best, jumping for a header, which cost him another eight months off his career. What initially was thought to be a torn hamstring was complicated by damaged nerve endings for which rest was the only cure.
After spending five hours a day, five days a week for five months in the gym and reporting back for pre-season training three weeks early, Tiler has finally benefited from the kind of bad luck which has been so firmly his in recent years it would make him the ideal candidate for separate BUPA cover.
Tiler returned to the Villa side four games ago following an injury to Steve Staunton and he intends to stay there this time. His chances have also been increased by the departure of Paul McGrath to Derby County.
“It’s nice that the roles have been reversed for a change I’m usually the one who gets injured and lets someone into the team who plays well and nicks my place,” said Tiler.
“Things haven’t exactly been perfect for me since I got here. get all the jokes about not playing and all that, but I’m only 26 and I want to prove to a few people that I’m capable of playing at the highest level.”
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(Nottingham Evening Post, Tuesday, February 04, 1986)
Allcock quits over Clough!
Allcock quits over Clough!
Frank Allcock has resigned from the Nottingham Forest board.
Mr Allcock, 65, has quit in the wake of disclosures that he and a former director, Derek Pavis, offered bets against Forest winning at Manchester United last month.
Forest boss Brian Clough hit out angrily in the club programme last Saturday and in a national newspaper after discovering that Mr Allcock and Mr Pavis were giving odds of 7-1 against Forest on the Executive coach taking directors and members to Old Trafford.
The two men said it was purely a sporting bet and denied they were being disloyal.
Mr Allcock, a member and shareholder of the club for 30 years, handed in his resignation at the City Ground yesterday, following his return from Spain where he had been on holiday with Mr Pavis.
Mr Allcock, who had served on the board for four years said: "The manager’s article has made me look ridiculous and it is very upsetting. There was merely a conversation in which I offered a bet to a friend.
"But it has reached the stage where I can stand it longer at Forest.”
Forest’s board meet again on Thursday.
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If only the other people on the bus had taken that bet. Forest won the game at Old Trafford 3-2 thanks to two goals from Colin Walsh and another from Nigel Clough.
Looking through some things on committee/board comings and goings, one thing I don't understand is how Derek Pavis got onto the Forest Committee/board having admitted previously that he tried to bribe Jeff Whitefoot to throw a match against Stoke in 1964!
If he did that on the outside as a fan, what opportunities could it have opened up for him being on the inside, you would have imagined people would have thought.
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