Brennan Price Johnson

[incapable hulk]

Part of getting the highest fee is one of the things I'm talking about.

We shouldn't be in a position where other clubs can bully us into accepting a low fee. But because of awful transfer dealings, the subsequent spend related to that, and the bloated squad & wage bill, we are.

We haven't been bullied into accepting a low fee under this regime though. Quite the contrary in that they've succeeded in negotiating good fees including for players we wouldn't usually expect to get anything for.

So are we actually in that position, Alf?

I am looking forward to seeing Brennan Johnson play for the club this season and am hoping for big things. He looks to be a real talent.

 

[Otis Redding]

Part of getting the highest fee is one of the things I'm talking about.

We shouldn't be in a position where other clubs can bully us into accepting a low fee. But because of awful transfer dealings, the subsequent spend related to that, and the bloated squad & wage bill, we are.

As Hulk rightly comments Alf, getting bullied to sell for low fee just hasn't happened. However, replacing those sales with sufficient quality is another story altogether.

 

[Berkshire Red]

Another one we shouldn't even have to be considering selling.

Sort this club out Muphs FFS please.

How many Championship cubs are in the position of being able to say No to Premier League sides though? It's not just us, Alf. Until we get promoted it will happen, over and over again.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

We haven't been bullied into accepting a low fee under this regime though. Quite the contrary in that they've succeeded in negotiating good fees including for players we wouldn't usually expect to get anything for.

So are we actually in that position, Alf?

I am looking forward to seeing Brennan Johnson play for the club this season and am hoping for big things. He looks to be a real talent.

As Hulk rightly comments Alf, getting bullied to sell for low fee just hasn't happened. However, replacing those sales with sufficient quality is another story altogether.

Personally I think we should have got more for Osborn to say he went to a Prem side.

But it's not so much as what's past, as the position we find ourselves in now. Hopefully I'm fearing the worst, but a bloated squad and big wage bill does make me think Murph's inherits a tougher job to balance the books and add key players than perceived.

How many Championship cubs are in the position of being able to say No to Premier League sides though? It's not just us, Alf. Until we get promoted it will happen, over and over again.

Course mate. It's just those with less players & wages on the books have more power to push back. Doesn't mean they can stop it, but that bit of extra resistance can get a better fee and state an intent to push on (which in turn helps attract better players as replacements)

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

Like Osborn Brennan only has a year left on his contract. Thats where the weak bargaining position comes from. Is that a fault of the club, as it assuredly was with Benny, or is he being advised not to sign, or does he want to leave because of the way he's been (or perceived to have been) treated? We don't know the answers so we cant really be throwing blame around.

 

[Googler]

Brennan position will be resolved very quickly if he refuses a new contract,If he wants out and wont commit to a new contract let him go but let the Auction commence

 

[cms186]

Like Osborn Brennan only has a year left on his contract. Thats where the weak bargaining position comes from. Is that a fault of the club, as it assuredly was with Benny, or is he being advised not to sign, or does he want to leave because of the way he's been (or perceived to have been) treated? We don't know the answers so we cant really be throwing blame around.

he has 2 years left

 

[Project Zeus]

How many Championship cubs are in the position of being able to say No to Premier League sides though? It's not just us, Alf. Until we get promoted it will happen, over and over again.

How many clubs in the world are able to hold on to their best players? Three or four?

It's a complete fantasy that Nottingham Forest will ever be able to fight off interest from higher up the food chain. If we ever get promoted, our better players will still be targeted by clubs in the top 10, then the top 6, and so on.

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[cms186]

Part of getting the highest fee is one of the things I'm talking about.

We shouldn't be in a position where other clubs can bully us into accepting a low fee. But because of awful transfer dealings, the subsequent spend related to that, and the bloated squad & wage bill, we are.

what academy players have we sold for a low fee that we got bullied on? Was it Appiah who we sold for 8 million? Burke who we sold for 13 million? The ONLY academy player we've sold recently for a lower fee than I would have liked was Osbourn and that was only because he had one year left on his contract, Johnson has 2 and we are looking to get him a new one by all accounts

 

[Strummer]

How many clubs in the world are able to hold on to their best players? Three or four?

It's a complete fantasy that Nottingham Forest will ever be able to fight off interest from higher up the food chain. If we ever get promoted, our better players will still be targeted by clubs in the top 10, then the top 6, and so on.

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Exactly this.

Even Tottenham Hotspur, who see themselves as a „Top Club“ look to be struggling to hold onto their best player this summer.

 

[Alf-engelos Mindminackers]

what academy players have we sold for a low fee that we got bullied on? Was it Appiah who we sold for 8 million? Burke who we sold for 13 million? The ONLY academy player we've sold recently for a lower fee than I would have liked was Osbourn and that was only because he had one year left on his contract, Johnson has 2 and we are looking to get him a new one by all accounts

Osborn, like you've pointed out and like I've said above.

You could say Walker for 450k, Grant for less than 100k too, but their situations are a little greyer obviously. Either way IMO we under valued them.

Ameobi we've had to let go to free up wages, same as Ribero too. That's two players who took us to our best position in over 10 years season before last. Whilst the new manager may not fancy them as much as Lamouchi did, Murphs may not fancy the new manager much either.

So again it's about the club being in a position where it isn't having it's hand forced, and instead has time to sit back and make these decisions as part of a full plan under a proper CEO.

There's valid excuses for some of our actions, but all too often these excuses are used to paper over incompetent leadership. Which was Vrentroz's reign in a nutshell.

 

[incapable hulk]

Personally I think we should have got more for Osborn to say he went to a Prem side.

But it's not so much as what's past, as the position we find ourselves in now. Hopefully I'm fearing the worst, but a bloated squad and big wage bill does make me think Murph's inherits a tougher job to balance the books and add key players than perceived.

I don't think there's any evidence that we are in the position you think we are though. So far the only bits that have come up in the press, that could be all false admittedly, seem to indicate we are still looking at spending money. Just not the vast sums previously and better targeted - which are lessons we've all wanted the club to learn.

The squad isn't that bloated anymore as it's down to 23 players, 3 of which are goalkeepers, 6 of the squad being academy graduates and there are still players the club is looking to shift on top of the ones who've already gone.

When Osborn left he was in the final year of his contract, so to still get 3 million for him wasn't a bad deal. Of course we'd all have liked more, and I'd have much preferred him to stay, but he's not the kind of player that tons of clubs were queuing up to desperately sign so there's only so much power you have in those kinds of negotiations

It will be an interesting summer and hopefully the new guy gets it right and sets the club on much more positive path.

 

[incapable hulk]

As Hulk rightly comments Alf, getting bullied to sell for low fee just hasn't happened. However, replacing those sales with sufficient quality is another story altogether.

Aye Otis - that's been the real problem. The money coming in from transfers has been great but it's not being reinvested wisely at all. Hopefully the new CEO is the missing piece of that puzzle.

 

[cheapseats]

How many Championship cubs are in the position of being able to say No to Premier League sides though? It's not just us, Alf. Until we get promoted it will happen, over and over again.

In this specific situation I think it’s very simple. The player goes nowhere unless the valuation is met. “Resisting” sensible bids in the interests of the club is one thing, having your best assets stolen is another.

Let him play here for a year, it will do
No one, club, player, agent, father any harm…..

 

[Rzar]

How many clubs in the world are able to hold on to their best players? Three or four?

It's a complete fantasy that Nottingham Forest will ever be able to fight off interest from higher up the food chain. If we ever get promoted, our better players will still be targeted by clubs in the top 10, then the top 6, and so on.

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Generally under EM we have always sold fringe players well to gain funds & not key players. The only exception has been Cash but you felt like he was always going to go.

Everyone always seems to have panic attacks all summer about players leaving yet they rarely have.

 

[Erik]

Part of getting the highest fee is one of the things I'm talking about.

We shouldn't be in a position where other clubs can bully us into accepting a low fee. But because of awful transfer dealings, the subsequent spend related to that, and the bloated squad & wage bill, we are.

Sorry Alf, You can point out the many deficiencies in our recruitment process as much as you like because although there are those who will have none of it, there have been some major flaws in our approach to recruitment for many years.

What you can't legitimately do is start to quibble and pick holes in our selling strategies because by and large, since Ollie Burke, we've screwed every last penny possible out of buyers.

 

[Haych]

Sorry Alf, You can point out the many deficiencies in our recruitment process as much as you like because although there are those who will have none of it, there have been some major flaws in our approach to recruitment for many years.

What you can't legitimately do is start to quibble and pick holes in our selling strategies because by and large, since Ollie Burke, we've screwed every last penny possible out of buyers.

Typically, we get good prices for players, our issue is we then proceed to piss said money away on shit players on huge wages.

I’m hoping under Murphy our money is spent better and we have a better success ratio in terms of signings made - not that it could be any worse.

 

[Strummer]

Typically, we get good prices for players, our issue is we then proceed to piss said money away on shit players on huge wages.

I’m hoping under Murphy our money is spent better and we have a better success ratio in terms of signings made - not that it could be any worse.

If the club is serious about changing its recruiting policy - and with Murphy in place they may well be - then it should see a search for significantly better value in the market, and a focus on younger players whose value will only appreciate.

I do wonder if that was a driver behind the Analyst they’ve brought in from crack German outfit, VfB Stuttgart, because that’s exactly how the VfB works, an approach that saw significant success.

 

[cms186]

Osborn, like you've pointed out and like I've said above.

You could say Walker for 450k, Grant for less than 100k too, but their situations are a little greyer obviously. Either way IMO we under valued them.

Ameobi we've had to let go to free up wages, same as Ribero too. That's two players who took us to our best position in over 10 years season before last. Whilst the new manager may not fancy them as much as Lamouchi did, Murphs may not fancy the new manager much either.

So again it's about the club being in a position where it isn't having it's hand forced, and instead has time to sit back and make these decisions as part of a full plan under a proper CEO.

There's valid excuses for some of our actions, but all too often these excuses are used to paper over incompetent leadership. Which was Vrentroz's reign in a nutshell.

Ameobi and Ribeiro are not academy players, if they were that vital, they would have been re-signed, but neither performed well last season and Sammy has always been VERY inconsistent (hes also 29)

Grant is not far off 27 and has only just signed for his first Championship side (in a first team role), Tyler only had a year left on his contract and hasn't exactly pulled up any trees at a lower tier Championship side.

Whilst our general transfer approach has not been good, our Academy transfers have whats kept the club going and, unless their are circumstances (such as an expiring contract) we tend to get top money for our best prospects we have to sell.

 

[congo_red_49]

]Tyler only had a year left on his contract and hasn't exactly pulled up any trees at a lower tier Championship side.

Scored more goals than any of our strikers managed...[/obligatory]

 

[cheapseats]

I don't think there's any evidence that we are in the position you think we are though. So far the only bits that have come up in the press, that could be all false admittedly, seem to indicate we are still looking at spending money. Just not the vast sums previously and better targeted - which are lessons we've all wanted the club to learn.

The squad isn't that bloated anymore as it's down to 23 players, 3 of which are goalkeepers, 6 of the squad being academy graduates and there are still players the club is looking to shift on top of the ones who've already gone.

When Osborn left he was in the final year of his contract, so to still get 3 million for him wasn't a bad deal. Of course we'd all have liked more, and I'd have much preferred him to stay, but he's not the kind of player that tons of clubs were queuing up to desperately sign so there's only so much power you have in those kinds of negotiations

It will be an interesting summer and hopefully the new guy gets it right and sets the club on much more positive path.

Hulk I think you have hit the nail on the head.
We've sold well in the recent past, I honestly don't think anyone can objectively argue otherwise, particularly when all the facts (length of contract etc) are appraised but I think its a legitimate criticism that we've then had our pants pulled down because we've been seen as having cash and no common sense so we've wasted the money. The way I read this summer is that has changed. I don't think the club or the manager will sanction crazy money being spent anymore and hopefully that will recalibrate the expectations of players, their agents and selling clubs...
What it might mean however is that we go into next season with a thin squad-but that can be addressed over the year and my guess is that there will be an awful lot of good players available in the season when clubs that are currently playing hard ball realise the market has changed...

 

[cheapseats]

...and on Brennan, the more I think about it the more I feel its absolutely the best thing for him to get a proper season under his belt at a proper level. If he's pushing to move now he's an absolute fool...
If he doesn't sign a new contract it should be 8-10M or nothing as far as I'm concerned at the moment, if he plays well that will not be an issue for a prem club, if he doesn't play well at this level then no ones going to be that interested anyway....

 

[Red Ray's Redlist]

he has 2 years left

Thats good to know. Could have sworn it was 1. Gives us the whip hand in any negotiation.

 

[Notcher]

Hulk I think you have hit the nail on the head.
We've sold well in the recent past, I honestly don't think anyone can objectively argue otherwise, particularly when all the facts (length of contract etc) are appraised but I think its a legitimate criticism that we've then had our pants pulled down because we've been seen as having cash and no common sense so we've wasted the money. The way I read this summer is that has changed. I don't think the club or the manager will sanction crazy money being spent anymore and hopefully that will recalibrate the expectations of players, their agents and selling clubs...
What it might mean however is that we go into next season with a thin squad-but that can be addressed over the year and my guess is that there will be an awful lot of good players available in the season when clubs that are currently playing hard ball realise the market has changed...

Sold well, bought badly sums it up.

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[Raymondo Ponte']

It's all paradise to the agents.

They don't give a f*** who comes and goes on the never ending merrygoround.