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Jack Burkitt
Each to their own but I rather try to be the best and compete with the best.I'd rather be in the 1st Division, stay at the city ground and enjoy watching my team..
Each to their own but I rather try to be the best and compete with the best.I'd rather be in the 1st Division, stay at the city ground and enjoy watching my team..
I might get pelters for this, but nothing new thereI rather have 6 matches a season where we can get around 45k rather than filling it every week @ 37k.
The Premier league for all its sins is a global product and never been more popular.
Do we always want to have the glass ceiling of 12th due to lack of funds.
The problem is the current team isn't that good and a huge investment in a new stadium with the future in the league uncertain, isn't a great positron to be in. A bit of a chicken and egg. If we were confident of being in this league for 4 years or so without problem, things would be progressing much quicker.
The problem is that even if we did have a new 50k stadium and filled it every week (unlikely) it still wouldn't give us the financial firepower to compete with the top teams in the Premier League (who have established themselves pre-FFP and the PL have now pulled the ladder). We'd likely by selling our soul and identity for very little gain in reality.Does it really matter? I might get pelters for this but here goes anyway.
I rather have shit atmosphere and a team who doesn't need to rely on the support being 120% all the time just to scrape a win. It's increasingly a numbers game, more fans, more money, better players on the pitch, less likely to need the rip roaring support.
Personally, I rather have a so called soulless bowl with 50k plus inside and team being able to compete in the top 6.
If you can both however, then obviously that's ideal. I would have thought this is something the club is currently wrestling with.
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Of course not the big 6 teams straight away but I'll take top 10 as supposed to bottom 6 throughout the season, where 1ppg is a decent season.The problem is that even if we did have a new 50k stadium and filled it every week (unlikely) it still wouldn't give us the financial firepower to compete with the top teams in the Premier League (who have established themselves pre-FFP and the PL have now pulled the ladder). We'd likely by selling our soul and identity for very little gain in reality.
Unfortunately as long as FFP/PSR/whatever-the-latest-anti-investment/growth-scheme-is-called-this-week exists, the Sky Sports Six will continue to dominate.
I don't know. Wait for the new stadium in Toton when they show us a shot of a shopping trolley sticking out above the waters of the Erewash.The very reason that every pre match montage always includes a shot from Trent Bridge looking at the ground. I can't think of any other club that they do something like that for.
Maybe, in the eyes of their paymasters, they aren't getting it wrong.I said this yesterday but it's worth saying again, I cannot believe that KC's the highest level of barristers in this country are getting it so badly wrong.
Manchester City are doing Ok because they are allowed to fiddle the books and avoid and delay FFP charges as a result.Would Forest sell 50k every other week? Maybe not. But then, Manchester City don‘t sell out every week either. And they seem to be doing OK at the moment.
No, we wouldn’t fill it every week and it wouldn’t generate a large proportion of our TV money dominated income. But it would mean more people buying stuff in the megastore and ‘enjoying’ the catering, it would presumably be accompanied by an upturn in our non-matchday revenue (hospitality, functions, conferences, etc) and, most importantly, it would mean a new generation of Forest fans would get to see their team in the flesh and thus help consolidate our support in the long term. Every year we delay adding to our capacity we risk losing part of our future core support to the ‘glamorous’ teams they see on the telly.The problem is that even if we did have a new 50k stadium and filled it every week (unlikely) it still wouldn't give us the financial firepower to compete with the top teams in the Premier League (who have established themselves pre-FFP and the PL have now pulled the ladder). We'd likely by selling our soul and identity for very little gain in reality.
Unfortunately as long as FFP/PSR/whatever-the-latest-anti-investment/growth-scheme-is-called-this-week exists, the Sky Sports Six will continue to dominate.
The biggest thing holding the club back from becoming a solid mid-table club is the way we are run. It doesn't matter if we have a 30k, 50k or 100k stadium if we are run like we have been for the vast majority of Marinakis' ownership, better run clubs like Brighton for example will continue to run rings around us.No, we wouldn’t fill it every week and it wouldn’t generate a large proportion of our TV money dominated income. But it would mean more people buying stuff in the megastore and ‘enjoying’ the catering, it would presumably be accompanied by an upturn in our non-matchday revenue (hospitality, functions, conferences, etc) and, most importantly, it would mean a new generation of Forest fans would get to see their team in the flesh and thus help consolidate our support in the long term. Every year we delay adding to our capacity we risk losing part of our future core support to the ‘glamorous’ teams they see on the telly.
Assuming we hang around in the Prem for a while (I know, I know…) I’d rather have a 50k capacity that’s filled half a dozen times a season with an average of, say, high 30s to low 40s with the aforementioned benefits than pootling along forever with a maximum of 29,500. Yes, it’ll cost a lot (though not as much as a Toton Forestbowldomearena), it’ll need a sight more cooperation from the authorities than we seem to be getting and we couldn’t make all the changes at once and yes, it won’t have us challenging the Sky 6, but it would help us progress to being a solid mid-table team, which from where we’ve been for most of this century is surely enough to be going on with.
Quite agree. A soulless identikit out-of-town bowl is not the answer. Being run better and sustainably building on what we have at our present location could be.The biggest thing holding the club back from becoming a solid mid-table club is the way we are run. It doesn't matter if we have a 30k, 50k or 100k stadium if we are run like we have been for the vast majority of Marinakis' ownership, better run clubs like Brighton for example will continue to run rings around us.
I also think we lose a lot of our appeal to non-glory hunting fans if we move out of town, as well as potentially losing some of our existing fanbase. We run the risk of becoming a carbon copy of countless other clubs.
I don't think Forest discarding their identity and iconic location (which is one of the club's/"brands" unique selling point) to become yet another club playing in a boring out of town stadium holds the appeal that some people think, especially if we don't become a consistent top half Premier League side (which is going to be difficult to achieve regardless of what happens with the stadium).
My fear is that if the current plans for the City Ground don't progress (as looks increasingly likely) then a identikit stadium in the arse end of nowhere is what we are going to get.Quite agree. A soulless identikit out-of-town bowl is not the answer. Being run better and sustainably building on what we have at our present location could be.
Probably the sort of chap who spent $3.1 billion on a load of new ships at the end of last year. Not that I (or hardly anyone else, it seems) wants a new one. I imagine the City Ground redevelopments would be more like 100-200 million when all is said and done.Genuine question then. Who’s going to fund this 500 million stadium then?
By being run better, I mean the club just getting the very basics right. Which it has consistently struggled to do under Marinakis bar a brief spell where he let two adults in Murphy and Cooper run things.Being run better is a magic formula very few clubs of our size will perfect because you are always swimming against the tide. Any good recruitment or managerial appointment will only last for a limited time as you are going to be picked off by the bigger boys eventually.
Brighton, Brentford, now Bournemouth and Fulham perhaps (Maybe we need to change the clubs name to one beginning with a 'B') but their days in the sun will surely pass.
A club with a higher revenue will have more clubs to feed from. The big six will still take your best talent but you will also be able to attract a higher calibre of player yourself. There are levels in this league, ee need to be looking at jumping to the next one rather than perennial fodder at the bottom.
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Evidently Kevin Costner has never been to Toton!Maybe Forest should get Kevin Costner in as a consultant?
„If you build it, they will come…“
I'd personally like to see a salary and transfer cap to prevent countries buying titles, but also not punishing the bottom teams. It'll never happen though.
Yup and while you’re at it a ticket price cap, which will also never happen.
Although in Forest's case, 'they' would be the spirit of Marthur, who would mooch around for a bit and then disappear phantasmically into the Trent End toilets.Maybe Forest should get Kevin Costner in as a consultant?
„If you build it, they will come…“
Haha! Take that, NIMBYs!
Well so far it's only been approved on the City side ...Haha! Take that, NIMBYs!