Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Each to their own but I rather try to be the best and compete with the best.
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The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB
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Redemption
One less gobshite...
I might get pelters for this, but nothing new there
On the one hand, people complain about the EPL and its sins and want it changed... often calling for the super 6 to FO to a super league and take the money with them
OTOH, people seem to be relying on it being a forever situation and never changing so want those games against the super 6 to throw up massive attendances.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
The problem is that even if we did have a new 50k stadium and filled it every week (unlikely) it still wouldn't give us the financial firepower to compete with the top teams in the Premier League (who have established themselves pre-FFP and the PL have now pulled the ladder). We'd likely by selling our soul and identity for very little gain in reality.
Unfortunately as long as FFP/PSR/whatever-the-latest-anti-investment/growth-scheme-is-called-this-week exists, the Sky Sports Six will continue to dominate.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Of course not the big 6 teams straight away but I'll take top 10 as supposed to bottom 6 throughout the season, where 1ppg is a decent season.
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Cortez the Killer
Impressive member
Hopefully Take That are bunging us a billion for the use of the ground.
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I don't know. Wait for the new stadium in Toton when they show us a shot of a shopping trolley sticking out above the waters of the Erewash.
Manchester City are doing Ok because they are allowed to fiddle the books and avoid and delay FFP charges as a result.
sammy the snake
Jack Armstrong
Genuine question then. Who’s going to fund this 500 million stadium then?
Ian Moore Gone Little
First Team Squad
No, we wouldn’t fill it every week and it wouldn’t generate a large proportion of our TV money dominated income. But it would mean more people buying stuff in the megastore and ‘enjoying’ the catering, it would presumably be accompanied by an upturn in our non-matchday revenue (hospitality, functions, conferences, etc) and, most importantly, it would mean a new generation of Forest fans would get to see their team in the flesh and thus help consolidate our support in the long term. Every year we delay adding to our capacity we risk losing part of our future core support to the ‘glamorous’ teams they see on the telly.
Assuming we hang around in the Prem for a while (I know, I know…) I’d rather have a 50k capacity that’s filled half a dozen times a season with an average of, say, high 30s to low 40s with the aforementioned benefits than pootling along forever with a maximum of 29,500. Yes, it’ll cost a lot (though not as much as a Toton Forestbowldomearena), it’ll need a sight more cooperation from the authorities than we seem to be getting and we couldn’t make all the changes at once and yes, it won’t have us challenging the Sky 6, but it would help us progress to being a solid mid-table team, which from where we’ve been for most of this century is surely enough to be going on with.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
The biggest thing holding the club back from becoming a solid mid-table club is the way we are run. It doesn't matter if we have a 30k, 50k or 100k stadium if we are run like we have been for the vast majority of Marinakis' ownership, better run clubs like Brighton for example will continue to run rings around us.
I also think we lose a lot of our appeal to non-glory hunting fans if we move out of town, as well as potentially losing some of our existing fanbase. We run the risk of becoming a carbon copy of countless other clubs.
I don't think Forest discarding their identity and iconic location (which is one of the club's/"brands" unique selling point) to become yet another club playing in a boring out of town stadium holds the appeal that some people think, especially if we don't become a consistent top half Premier League side (which is going to be difficult to achieve regardless of what happens with the stadium).
Ian Moore Gone Little
First Team Squad
Quite agree. A soulless identikit out-of-town bowl is not the answer. Being run better and sustainably building on what we have at our present location could be.
Ashley
Steve Chettle
My fear is that if the current plans for the City Ground don't progress (as looks increasingly likely) then a identikit stadium in the arse end of nowhere is what we are going to get.
Not that I trust politicians as far as I can throw them anyway, but our local councils are particularly uncooperative and clearly don't value Forest at all.
Red Echo
Youth Team
Probably the sort of chap who spent $3.1 billion on a load of new ships at the end of last year. Not that I (or hardly anyone else, it seems) wants a new one. I imagine the City Ground redevelopments would be more like 100-200 million when all is said and done.
Listen 'ere young man
Jack Burkitt
Being run better is a magic formula very few clubs of our size will perfect because you are always swimming against the tide. Any good recruitment or managerial appointment will only last for a limited time as you are going to be picked off by the bigger boys eventually.
Brighton, Brentford, now Bournemouth and Fulham perhaps (Maybe we need to change the clubs name to one beginning with a 'B') but their days in the sun will surely pass.
A club with a higher revenue will have more clubs to feed from. The big six will still take your best talent but you will also be able to attract a higher calibre of player yourself. There are levels in this league, we need to be looking at jumping to the next one rather than perennial fodder at the bottom.
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Brighton, Brentford, now Bournemouth and Fulham perhaps (Maybe we need to change the clubs name to one beginning with a 'B') but their days in the sun will surely pass.
A club with a higher revenue will have more clubs to feed from. The big six will still take your best talent but you will also be able to attract a higher calibre of player yourself. There are levels in this league, we need to be looking at jumping to the next one rather than perennial fodder at the bottom.
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Ashley
Steve Chettle
By being run better, I mean the club just getting the very basics right. Which it has consistently struggled to do under Marinakis bar a brief spell where he let two adults in Murphy and Cooper run things.
Until we can do that, we will always struggle at this level and the one below.
The additional income generated by a new stadium is a drop in the ocean compared to TV revenue at this level in any event. Excluding the Sky Sports Six, our income would still be similar to most of the rest of the league most seasons.
The only way for any non-Sky Sports Six club to be successful at this level is an excellent recruitment strategy, both in terms of players and managers. There's no way to financially outpower the rest of the non-Sky Sports Six as most of them have around the same resources anyway.
DizzyBala
Jack Armstrong
I'd still take this being a Championship club with an actual identity over another cookie-cutter plastic Premierleague club ratting around a bowl in a car park somewhere. The fact that a Forest "fan" is on the board at a time this is being considered sums it up.
You want more money to spend, invest in and be smarter about where you spend it. Brennan was the last Academy prospect through that looks to be worth anything significant and I can't see, with us exiling Gary Brazil last summer, that changing any time soon.
I know how this goes, we'd sell our soul for another 10 thousand seats, get relegated anyway and be playing in a half empty stadium in the Championship. It's written in the stars.
You want more money to spend, invest in and be smarter about where you spend it. Brennan was the last Academy prospect through that looks to be worth anything significant and I can't see, with us exiling Gary Brazil last summer, that changing any time soon.
I know how this goes, we'd sell our soul for another 10 thousand seats, get relegated anyway and be playing in a half empty stadium in the Championship. It's written in the stars.
Maybe Forest should get Kevin Costner in as a consultant?
„If you build it, they will come…“
„If you build it, they will come…“
Ashley
Steve Chettle
Evidently Kevin Costner has never been to Toton!
Kevin Costner: "If you build it, they will come..."
Tom Cartledge: "Well said Kevin, so what do reckon to this bit of land in Toton?"
Costner: "I take that back..."
valspoodle
Steve Chettle
Tricky things, football stadiums. If EM buys some ships, he's pretty confident that they will make money for him. If he pays to build a new stadium, he can be pretty sure that he won't make much money out of it, until, possibly, he sells the club. And If we are on someone else's land, will that profit be very much compared to the cost of delivery?
The old saying still holds good for most of football, only a very few (inevitably the big six) look as if they will make significant money out of it, the rest just continue to make a big fortune smaller.
So it stands to reason that changes in the stadium and thoughts of a new one will take time, but there is a limit, surely. A decision has to be made sometime; costs are constantly rising and fortunes on and off the field are changing.
The old saying still holds good for most of football, only a very few (inevitably the big six) look as if they will make significant money out of it, the rest just continue to make a big fortune smaller.
So it stands to reason that changes in the stadium and thoughts of a new one will take time, but there is a limit, surely. A decision has to be made sometime; costs are constantly rising and fortunes on and off the field are changing.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
Both the salary cap and set ticket prices were once in place in League football.
I don't think it was unreasonable for the clubs and players to want to set their own rates. The problem is the levels that prices of seats and players have reached.
Red Echo
Youth Team
Although in Forest's case, 'they' would be the spirit of Marthur, who would mooch around for a bit and then disappear phantasmically into the Trent End toilets.
Haha! Take that, NIMBYs!
Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.
Fulchester United
Well so far it's only been approved on the City side ...