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Gaetan Bong

Rockabilly

GAFF LAD. "Open your knees and feel the breeze"
As you say "why would Bong make it up"

There was also a racist comment from a WBA fan heard by some on here during last night's game, still "Cyrille Regis, he's one of our own"

Yes Eddie,i think someone said it was heard on the Sky Broadcast around 42 mins? If my memory serves me correctly.
 
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Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Can't speak for Matthew Kelly but AFAIK any piss-taking from Frank re Jason Lee was about his choice of hairdo (something Jason chose) rather than his race (something Jason didn't chose)
Exactly.

I can't stand people who make jokes on things people can't help - race, gender, sexuality, etc. Anything else should be fair game except religion.

I suppose the point about Grabban's beard is relevant here and it really should come under the taboo category. Grabban has that beard because he's a Muslim, though his religion is a choice, his beard having taken that is not. Jason Lee's hairstyle (which isn't too dissimilar from Bong's) is something he chose. It's not because he's black. And I think partially there it was because he was shit as well.
I thought he was ok last night, not as shit as usual.
I don't think he was that bad but the same things people have moaned about were still there.

Drifting central and not taking on the wide players who could get a free cross in.

Constantly passing the ball out of play or to the opposition.

But the other players worked around it and it didn't cost us.
BTW I am no fan of Frank Skinner. One of the most overrated comedians of all time.

He was funny at the time, but not now.
 

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
I suppose the point about Grabban's beard is relevant here and it really should come under the taboo category. Grabban has that beard because he's a Muslim, though his religion is a choice, his beard having taken that is not. Jason Lee's hairstyle (which isn't too dissimilar from Bong's) is something he chose. It's not because he's black. And I think partially there it was because he was shit as well.

The issue of Grabban's beard and the derision it has come in for on here came to my mind as well.

I do think the two are different though.

Some men just have a hard time with facial hair. Grabban clearly can't grow anything bar a thin straggly beard and so I doubt he would sport one were it not a tenet of his religion to do so.
 

Bob Fossil

Nottingham's dirty secret
Cyrille Regis
Laurie Cunningham
Brendon Batson

For a club that trades on the names of these players then perhaps their fans should re-asess their attitude to Black players

It was nothing to do with race you absolute prat.

I don't condone it but playing the race card is for absolutely fannies.
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
Jason Lee was insulted on national TV because he sometimes missed some simple chances. Unable to throw a piece of scrunched up paper into a bin. That type of thing.

Pineapple on his head = mocking his appearance.

If you're a striker in the Premier League already low on confidence, then Baddiel and Skinner take the piss out of you week after week. It's not going to help your profile.

Ade Akinbiyi. Emile Heskey. They all got similar treatment.
 

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
Jason Lee was insulted on national TV because he sometimes missed some simple chances.

Pineapple on his head. Etc.

If you're a striker in the Premier League already low on confidence, then Baddiel and Skinner take the piss out of you week after week. It's not going to help your profile.

Ade Akinbiyi. Emile Heskey. They all got similar treatment.

I mean I don't disagree BR but what does any of that have to do with race / racism? Which is the point at issue. Unless I'm missing something?
 

Mr. Blonde

Jack Burkitt
Even if it's not racism, it's another example of low behaviour from the WBA lot.

Well perhaps. Like I said I don't find Frank Skinner very funny, nor did I find the pisstaking of Jason Lee funny either so I'm not going to go out of my way to defend him.

I think it's more down to him being a shit comedian rather than a WBA fan though.
 

Eddie Yates

Steve Chettle
It was nothing to do with race you absolute prat.

I don't condone it but playing the race card is for absolutely fannies.

I won't bother responding to the unessasary personal insult but I'll leave it to you to enlighten me on the situation whilst also explaining why the racist comment directed at Bong last night which was heard by many on here is an example of playing the 'race card' & being a fanny

Over to you fella
 

eugenboppboppbopp

Jack Armstrong
Jason Lee was insulted on national TV because he sometimes missed some simple chances. Unable to throw a piece of scrunched up paper into a bin. That type of thing.

Pineapple on his head = mocking his appearance.

If you're a striker in the Premier League already low on confidence, then Baddiel and Skinner take the piss out of you week after week. It's not going to help your profile.

Ade Akinbiyi. Emile Heskey. They all got similar treatment.

Didn’t Baddiel go black face for the sketches?


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Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Didn’t Baddiel go black face for the sketches?


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It'd be a shit depiction of Lee if he hadn't! It wasn't racially motivated (well, other than pretty much everyone who has dreads is black and you can't tie dreads into a pineapple without dreads) so I don't have an issue with it on those grounds...
 

Eddie Yates

Steve Chettle
Skinner & Baddiel shouldn't be cancelled for crimes against race

They should be cancelled for crimes against comedy
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Correct. A man who is so openly and strongly against anti-semitism....

David Baddiel is Jewish...

Don't get me started on anti-semitism. We're now getting to the stage where some hymns are being reworded because of this, to remove depictions that the Jews were somehow responsible for the crucifixion. Yet this is true, the Jewish High Priests arrested Jesus and took him to Pilate because they wanted to kill him and only the Romans could do this, Pilate didn't want to and only sanctioned it fearing a riot from the Jews, changing that isn't changing history at all?
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
Skinner & Baddiel shouldn't be cancelled for crimes against race

They should be cancelled for crimes against comedy

Don't disagree with that. I thought FFL was funny at the time as a kid but comedy has moved on. Trey Parker/Matt Stone, Sacha Baron Cohen, much funnier and much more in tune with topical issues.
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
It'd be a shit depiction of Lee if he hadn't! It wasn't racially motivated (well, other than pretty much everyone who has dreads is black and you can't tie dreads into a pineapple without dreads) so I don't have an issue with it on those grounds...

I wonder if someone had depicted a character to relate to Jews with money and a large nose, how Baddiel would have felt.

In the name of comedy, of course.

Caribbeans/Africans have thick hair and often have those hairstyles. Even Lennox Lewis in his prime had a bun while he was knocking people out for fun.

I wish Baddiel and Skinner would have mocked him similarly. Seems like you only knock a man when he's down....
 

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
I wonder if someone had depicted a character to relate to Jews with money and a large nose, how Baddiel would have felt.

In the name of comedy, of course.

Caribbeans/Africans have thick hair and often have those hairstyles. Even Lennox Lewis in his prime had a bun while he was knocking people out for fun.

I wish Baddiel and Skinner would have mocked him similarly. Seems like you only knock a man when he's down....

But they were mocking Lee because he was shit and because of the pineapple not because he is black.

I suppose for Baddiel the equivalent would be someone donning a fake massive joke nose with one of those hats they wear walking around dropping £20 notes all over the place.

I'm actually quite surprised SBC gets away with his constant anti-semitism, but then, he is Jewish.
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
Anyone who thinks that isn't racist needs some introspection.

And this is where the typical hypocrisy of racism shows it's ugly head again.

In the 90s and 2000s, it was still ok to mock minorities, Blacks and Asians. Bo Selecta. Etc.

However right now, it seems like everyone is still trying to work out what is racist and what isn't.

As long as we can still call Irish 'paddies', it's alright. They will always take it all on the chin :rolleyes:
 

Eddie Yates

Steve Chettle
And this is where the typical hypocrisy of racism shows it's ugly head again.

In the 90s and 2000s, it was still ok to mock minorities, Blacks and Asians. Bo Selecta. Etc.

However right now, it seems like everyone is still trying to work out what is racist and what isn't.

As long as we can still call Irish 'paddies', it's alright. They will always take it all on the chin :rolleyes:

Agreed,

The Black & White minstral show was acceptable at the time as was blacking up in 'it ain't half hot Mum' but its not acceptable now but that that doesn't mean that the likes of Windsor Davies should be condemned for their part in it

I'm not comfortable with historical witchhunts, the focus should be nailing & educating racists in the present
 

BryanRoy22

Ian Bowyer
It looks like Sky Sports actively encourage Roy Keane being a typical angry Irishman and seem to egg it on amongst his fellow pundits.

You've got everyone laughing at it and many people find his harsh comments funny, but there's definitely something underlying with it all.

People view him as some sort of pantomine villain, but I've seen the words online about Irishmen. Conor McGregor doesn't help matters, but it still means people are judging a group because of a few famous people.
 
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