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Ryan James Yates (sponsored by Raymondo Ponté)

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Alf-engelos Mindminackers

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Yates will undoubtedly be a captain at some point. And his attacking + passing play will improve.

People keep forgetting he's only 22. His attitude is brilliant, and he'll face any challenges head on.
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
MASE said:
We deserve everything we get sometimes.
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I just don’t get it at all. People are having a go at Grabban who is a guy who has actually proven to score goals and do things for forest where Yates runs around a bit and people think he is the bees knees.

Some perspective is needed we would be nowhere without Grabbans output whereas
if we didn’t have Yates we’d be perfectly okay. The amount of crap that Grabban gets about his attitude is beyond me. You don’t have to run around to show you care And just because you work hard and run around dosen’t mean your any good.
 
MASE

MASE

Up-Front
EmmersonForest4 said:
I just don’t get it at all. People are having a go at Grabban who is a guy who has actually proven to score goals and do things for forest where Yates runs around a bit and people think he is the bees knees.

Some perspective is needed we would be nowhere without Grabbans output whereas
if we didn’t have Yates we’d be perfectly okay. The amount of crap that Grabban gets about his attitude is beyond me. You don’t have to run around to show you care And just because you work hard and run around dosen’t mean your any good.
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When you look at their relative contributions over recent time, I agree Grabbans earned more latitude. That said, he was gutless yesterday, at a time when we need his quality.

Agree on Yates, I recognise the misty eyed element attributed to him, but he doesnt do enough. That penny will drop If & when we put player like Arter in his position.
 
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Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Raymondo Ponte' said:
Fair enough mate, if that Cardiff scorer would have had the same chance he'd have buried it I'm sure.
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Is it fair to compare Yate's finishing against a proven Championship striker?

I'm not sure we're being totally fair on the lad if we are.
 
MASE

MASE

Up-Front
Erik said:
Is it fair to compare Yate's finishing against a proven Championship striker?
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Is it ever fair to criticise Ryan Yates?

He's a pro footballer, we're supposedly sacrificing quality work in the middle for his ability to get on the end of stuff in the box.

He was 5 yards out.
 
Erik

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
MASE said:
Is it ever fair to criticise Ryan Yates?

He's a pro footballer, we're supposedly sacrificing quality work in the middle for his ability to get on the end of stuff in the box.

He was 5 yards out.
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I am merely questioning whether it is right to compare a midfielders (no matter how good that midfielder may be) finishing against a strikers.

By all means criticise and analyse but try to compare apples with apples.
 
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OLDMANRED

Jack Burkitt
MASE said:
Is it ever fair to criticise Ryan Yates?

He's a pro footballer, we're supposedly sacrificing quality work in the middle for his ability to get on the end of stuff in the box.

He was 5 yards out.
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The criticism of Ryan would be fine if it wasn’t for the fact there have been probably 7 or 8 players far worse than him for the last 10 matches and sorry Grabban is one of them
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
OLDMANRED said:
The criticism of Ryan would be fine if it wasn’t for the fact there have been probably 7 or 8 players far worse than him for the last 10 matches and sorry Grabban is one of them
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Grabban hasn’t been on form nor has Yates. However because one runs around people think that they care more. Running around is not a pre requisite for caring or even being good. The best football players are the ones you miss when they are gone. If Yates was to be dropped tomorrow we wouldn’t notice any major difference in our play. It’s not like taking Cash out the side and when we didn’t have Taylor taking Grabban out the side.

I’m not saying Yates should be getting assists or goals I just don’t think his contribution is greater than that of Grabbans however one gets a load of shit for not having the right body language. The whole team has not been great I agree and the worst performances are in the defence. Worrall again is one guy not getting enough stick now. He was trapped under the throw in for the second goal. Of course Figgy over the 2 games has been the most woeful though.
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
EmmersonForest4 said:
I just don’t get it at all. People are having a go at Grabban who is a guy who has actually proven to score goals and do things for forest where Yates runs around a bit and people think he is the bees knees.

Some perspective is needed we would be nowhere without Grabbans output whereas
if we didn’t have Yates we’d be perfectly okay. The amount of crap that Grabban gets about his attitude is beyond me. You don’t have to run around to show you care And just because you work hard and run around dosen’t mean your any good.
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If Yates plays i'd prefer him as captain over Grabban every day of the week. I'd also have Samba, Worral, Colback, Ameobi, i think the point we're making here is that Grabban is not a captain and Yates has all the attributes to be a captain at some point during his career..
 
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stockers

Jack Armstrong
MASE said:
Is it ever fair to criticise Ryan Yates?

He's a pro footballer, we're supposedly sacrificing quality work in the middle for his ability to get on the end of stuff in the box.

He was 5 yards out.
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I think he gets his fair share and given he's come into a team thats been going down hill fast since Christmas we can either blame that square on him or look at the so called quality experienced players around him who've been consistently worse and suggest that its probably not easy to play to your potential when you're in a shit team..
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
stockers said:
If Yates plays i'd prefer him as captain over Grabban every day of the week. I'd also have Samba, Worral, Colback, Ameobi, i think the point we're making here is that Grabban is not a captain and Yates has all the attributes to be a captain at some point during his career..
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Grabban isn’t a captain I don’t doubt that. Yates has more captain material. However Grabban is a championship standard player whereas Yates is a league one standard.
 
Barry

Barry

Where's me hammer?
Any player in any position should be scoring that chance he had, hes better than that.... that being said we didnt lose yesterday or against QPR because of him, we lost because we cant defend and we cant create. Yates like the other 11 players and the man picking the side have to take their equal share of the blame for those facts.

Grabs ain't a captain, but I'd add if we are pushing a 22 year old to be captain we really are in more trouble than most realise. He needs to develop his game first before he has that honour bestowed.

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Raymondo Ponte'

Raymondo Ponte'

It's all about mid-table...
Erik said:
Is it fair to compare Yate's finishing against a proven Championship striker?

I'm not sure we're being totally fair on the lad if we are.
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I'm on Ryan's side, but 95% of players in this league would have bulged the onion bag mate.

It's a shame because he was one of only a few who came out with credit.
 
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OLDMANRED

Jack Burkitt
Barry said:
Any player in any position should be scoring that chance he had, hes better than that.... that being said we didnt lose yesterday or against QPR because of him, we lost because we cant defend and we cant create. Yates like the other 11 players and the man picking the side have to take their equal share of the blame for those facts.

Grabs ain't a captain, but I'd add if we are pushing a 22 year old to be captain we really are in more trouble than most realise. He needs to develop his game first before he has that honour bestowed.

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Kin hell we had 12 men on the pitch and were still shite
 
Matt

Matt

Stuart Pearce
He should have scored but I thought he moved us forward with urgency in his movement on the ball and passing yesterday - exactly the attributes to his game that he has rightly or wrongly been criticised for.

He played some really sublime forward passes late on in the first half before the second goal, then played the box to box role well and broke lines as he strode forward on the ball with a confidence I haven’t seen from him before.

He’s got to do it regularly and against teams that will press him more, but I was encouraged by what I saw particularly in the 442
 
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It's Baggio

It's Baggio

John Robertson
I thought Yates was fine yesterday, especially when we played some Football in their half. I get the idea of replacing him for someone that can pass the ball from deep in midfield but I'd still be wary of dropping him considering the form of Colback & the back four. Yates has been the only one that looks capable of regularly winning his headers/tackles, etc.
 
valspoodle

valspoodle

Steve Chettle
I thought Ryan only had a fleeting look at the ball, tried to head it down and overdid it. I thought it was going over without any assistance from their keeper.
 
MASE

MASE

Up-Front
MXJ said:
He should have scored but I thought he moved us forward with urgency in his movement on the ball and passing yesterday - exactly the attributes to his game that he has rightly or wrongly been criticised for.

He played some really sublime forward passes late on in the first half before the second goal, then played the box to box role well and broke lines as he strode forward on the ball with a confidence I haven’t seen from him before.

He’s got to do it regularly and against teams that will press him more, but I was encouraged by what I saw particularly in the 442
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Id like to watch a game with you mate, just to confirm we are talking about the same football team. :LOL:

Cmon mate, I know your Mr positive, but sublime passes & striding forward on the ball?

I think if we're intending on playing Yates until he evolves into the all round central midfielder we need, we'll take alot longer to get where we need to be, assuming he progresses at all.

He had the freedom of the pitch second half, executed the basics well & hit a connected a few long passes. Under no pressure.
Ultimately we're not creating or bonding as a team because we need better in there.
 
Red Ray's Redlist

Red Ray's Redlist

Viv Anderson
MXJ said:
He should have scored but I thought he moved us forward with urgency in his movement on the ball and passing yesterday - exactly the attributes to his game that he has rightly or wrongly been criticised for.

He played some really sublime forward passes late on in the first half before the second goal, then played the box to box role well and broke lines as he strode forward on the ball with a confidence I haven’t seen from him before.

He’s got to do it regularly and against teams that will press him more, but I was encouraged by what I saw particularly in the 442
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2nd half especially I thought he was excellent. I wonder if the extra body in midfield stifles him.
On the header, thought he should have buried it. On a few more viewings the ball really dies on him, dipping far more than I think he expected.

Issue with Grabban as captain, beyond preferring defenders who are watching the game unfold, is that he doesn't battle for the high ball. I've reconciled myself to that fact. He brings more to the team than you lose from that. But as an example of leading from the front its abysmal. Poor call from Sabri to make him captain. Wonder if he wanted to go and this has been used to get him back onside?
 
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EmmersonForest4

Steve Chettle
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If Sabri picks Yates would you prefer to have him as captain over Grabban?
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Yates is a natural leader whereas Grabban isn’t. Yates although not very good does work hard so other players are more likely to follow that example. So yes I would choose Yates over Grabban as a captain that dosen’t mean I think he is any good or better than Grabban.
 
Matt

Matt

Stuart Pearce
EmmersonForest4 said:
Yates is a natural leader whereas Grabban isn’t. Yates although i don’t think he’svery good does work hard so other players are more likely to follow that example. So yes I would choose Yates over Grabban as a captain that dosen’t mean I think he is any good or better than Grabban.
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FTFY
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
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Aside from what everyone else is on about, that's a pretty nasty gash on the inside of his thigh...
 
Statto

Statto

Free Kick Specialist
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What exactly is he doing here :O
 
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