The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[YatesehUltras]

Is anybody else not entirely opposed to leaving the WFCG, just not to f***ing Toton?

I am 100% in the mindset that I'd prefer a redevelopment of the City Ground, it's our spiritual home and it always will be. If EM really wants to take us somewhere else, I can understand the reasons behind it, I just vehmently disagree with it being somewhere like Toton.

 

[Gareth Edds]

Still 33 years left on the current lease.

Like with the training ground falling through, it just seems to club keeps coming out with soundbites and excuses, but nothing is being done.

The blame is placed elsewhere, we are shown shiny power point presentations of revamped CG, then we move onto a possible move away.

Its all distraction, none of it is actually going forward. No money is being spent to improve anything, its just designed to look like the club is doing something and gives a dam.

Maybe trying to increase the value of the club whilst doing sweet FA to improve anything. The club continues to lie to the fans whilst charging us more for the privilege.

 

[Louth Red]

The Football Governance Bill has been introduced Into Parliament with all-party support. In addition to the new Independent Regulator it also will include the rights of supporters regarding heritage issues as referred to in ‘The Fan Led Review of Football’. Supporters must be consulted.

What dialogue has the Club offered supporters about the City Ground since it held the sessions in the BC Stand in 2019 asking us to support the development of the Taylor Stand? Thousands of us signed our support there and then.

The article this week is an insult to Forest supporters. Danny Taylor is a journalist first and Forest supporter second.

The content and timing of the article is wrong in so many ways. It clearly suited the two individuals to have the discussion but for what purpose.

The response on this forum sends a very clear message to the Club. The vast majority want to stay put in an improved and enlarged City Ground, they are not interested in a standard out of town soulless bowl.

Why no consultation on a key policy change?
Where are fan groups on this?
Why no discussion with the Fan Advisory Board?

I respect that our owners have invested in our Club, but owners come and go, supporters are the constant through the generations - thick and thin.

Successful businessmen know how to make a deal - its sitting down and making it, not by articles in the media.

Get on and do it. Delays cost more money. Sort the lease or purchase, then planning permission for a phased development.

Five years of frustration and misinformation is enough.

 

[Wes' Organ]

You can shove your fukcing Toton up your arse.
Shove your fukcing Toton up your arse.
Shove your fukcing Toton, shove your fukcing Toton.
Shove your fukcing Toton up your arse.
SIDEWAYS.

 

[gamble]

Are you getting it from Temu?

Everton's 50k Bramley Moore Dock Stadium will have a total cost edging £900m

Fair point.

 

[Cortez the Killer]

This football club deserves to be relegated. Not the fans or the players, but the money men. They f***ing deserve relegating. Shameful. Why can't, for once, we have some pride in how we go about things?

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[Apollo11]

A lot of cutting off your nose to spite your face in this thread. If you think a soulless bowl can have no atmosphere I suggest you turn your tv to the Conference semi final.

 

[Wes' Organ]

A lot of cutting off your nose to spite your face in this thread. If you think a soulless bowl can have no atmosphere I suggest you turn your tv to the Conference semi final.

I suggest you go to Leicester, Derby, Coventry, Hull, Middlesbrough, Reading..........

 

[Apollo11]

I suggest you go to Leicester, Derby, Coventry, Hull, Middlesbrough, Reading..........

Yeah but the point is Wes that none of them teams have fans like Forest do, I've said before the support is amazing and that shouldn't change no matter where the club is playing.

If you had to go to Pride Park or Meadow Lane for a couple years while the new stadium was being built would you support the team less?

 

[Wes' Organ]

Yeah but the point is Wes that none of them teams have fans like Forest do, I've said before the support is amazing and that shouldn't change no matter where the club is playing.

If you had to go to Pride Park or Meadow Lane for a couple years while the new stadium was being built would you support the team less?

I will not set foot in any new ground with the possible exception of Eastside.

 

[Cloughie1975]

Yeah but the point is Wes that none of them teams have fans like Forest do, I've said before the support is amazing and that shouldn't change no matter where the club is playing.

If you had to go to Pride Park or Meadow Lane for a couple years while the new stadium was being built would you support the team less?

I’d argue that Leicester and Derby have equally passionate fans as Forest.
I’d also forward the point of view that the City Ground is woven into the fabric of Nottingham
Forest and many fans would not continue to support the club if it moved to an out of
town location.

 

[Redemption]

If you are a resident of the City of Nottingham and concerned about the changes to the lease, I would email your Councillor

Find their details here

Find a Councillor

A list of City Councillors and the Wards they represent along with contact information and surgery details.

www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk

I would keep your email brief and polite. No swearing or threats of violence!

Here's a template, feel free to use and amend

Dear Councillor,

I was shocked to learn that the City Council have demanded a 400% increase in the lease from Nottingham Forest Football Club in respect of the City Ground.

I would urge you to work within your party and with your opposition colleagues to expedite the solution in the best interests of both the club and the City.

The club remains a significant employer in the City and the economic and social benefits that accrue to residents in our community are a net gain.

The upgrade to the stadium, which is now blocked by the impasse, may have long-lasting effects on our City. Forest's continued participation in the Premier League is at risk, and with it the promotion of our great City to the world and the benefits shared across the city to everyone, and not just Forest fans.

We need to end the impasse now and let the development of the City Ground proceed.

I hope our community can count on your support to get the development moving again.

Yours, etc

BTW, did anyone ever email their councillor?

 

[Erik]

Yeah but the point is Wes that none of them teams have fans like Forest do, I've said before the support is amazing and that shouldn't change no matter where the club is playing.

It will change because some of them won't be there and those that are will be scattered to the four winds in a bigger stadium.

The dynamics of groups will have changed and it can't be replicated and even if it is it will take years.

You are lucky, your club has no real reason to consider a move but if it did would you be so sanguine about things staying the same if the Kop was dismantled - And I don't mean the physical structure but the people who make it? You can't simply put them back together again and expect it to work. It's like throwing the pieces of a jigsaw on the table and expecting them to make the picture first time.

There's a reason those new stadiums Wes listed as soulless bowls are that - It's because the people that made the old place special are placed differently in the new place and those with generations history (Barry did an amazing post on that) have lost that history.

 

[Redemption]

You are lucky, your club has no real reason to consider a move but if it did would you be so sanguine about things staying the same if the Kop was dismantled - And I don't mean the physical structure but the people who make it?

When Liverpool were proposing to build a new stadium on Stanley Park, I don't recall too much opposition. But that's scousers for you, they could build a new stadium in the sewage works and they'd say it was the best thing ever built.

 

[Tobias]

 

[Est.1865]

Much of this is the reality of PL life.

That said, making the WFCG a 40k stadium seems like the right balance IMO.

However, again IMO, we have ownership that want to run before they can walk, plus a substantial fan base, loyal to the core, that really don’t want to accept and then change with the times. The latter i get.

 

[B35]

Loving the BC stand rebrand

 

[Erik]

When Liverpool were proposing to build a new stadium on Stanley Park, I don't recall too much opposition.

That's because they were all busy working out the possibilities of what they could nick from Anfield.

 

[Apollo11]

It will change because some of them won't be there and those that are will be scattered to the four winds in a bigger stadium.

The dynamics of groups will have changed and it can't be replicated and even if it is it will take years.

You are lucky, your club has no real reason to consider a move but if it did would you be so sanguine about things staying the same if the Kop was dismantled - And I don't mean the physical structure but the people who make it? You can't simply put them back together again and expect it to work. It's like throwing the pieces of a jigsaw on the table and expecting them to make the picture first time.

There's a reason those new stadiums Wes listed as soulless bowls are that - It's because the people that made the old place special are placed differently in the new place and those with generations history (Barry did an amazing post on that) have lost that history.

I completely understand what you mean and of course I'd hate it,let's be honest though as lucky as Liverpool were to be able to stay in the same location they sold their soul in other ways which has diluted things.

But if the last resort was having to move then I wouldn't completely knock the idea, as @Redemption says above there was quite a lot of support for it(mainly because they believed that was the only way of keeping up with Utd,City etc), glad that wasn't the case.

I just feel Forest fans could be different to other ones which have moved, I feel instead of just dismissing the idea they can stand up and show what true support is by following the team no matter where they play, something you already do, and not follow the path of other supporters.

Or you could just sit here in 30 years and moan still about no running water and broken toilets if a resolution can't be found.

FWIW this was my vote at the time when it went up.

 

[stockers]

I suggest you go to Leicester, Derby, Coventry, Hull, Middlesbrough, Reading..........

+ Brighton and Spurs, two ground i'll add to the ones i never want to go to again. Most Prem fans would give their right arms to have the city ground.. And if i was from South Korea watching the prem, i'd be more likely to watch games at the City ground.. It's basically all we have as a club, plus a couple of European Cups.

 

[Chappers85]

You know in Lord of the Rings where the one ring is destroyed and Sauron is vanquished from Middle Earth? That's kind of what promotion to the Premier League felt like after all the dark years of living in shadow. Even down to Gollum accidentally falling to his death seems to mirror us going up via an own goal. VAR not interfering on those Huddersfield penalty shouts is a bit like the eagles inexplicably showing up and saving us. It didn't seem to make any sense; a deus ex machina saving us against all odds. A god damn miracle. Last season, was all the coronations and reunions, and it was just good to be there.

The trouble is (unlike in the films), the book doesn’t end there. The hobbits return to the Shire to find Saruman has beat them there and wrecked it. The thing they were fighting to save has been destroyed and industrialised. Their home has had its soul tarnished. It'll potentially never be the same again.

If the last 2 seasons were the struggle and pure elation at overcoming the monster, then this season has been the Scouring of the Shire. Now to top off all the off-field bollocks we've had to put up with (some of it the club's own own making, some of it not), the current ownership are apparently serious in wanting to move us to f***ing Toton. While I'd like to hope this is all just posturing and negotiation with the council, I'm not sure I trust anything the club says right now. What's the point in being in the Premier League if your home is gone? The things that made you 'you' compromised? What was it all for?

Apologies for the stretched out and probably pretty thin analogy. But to extend it a little bit further (like butter scraped over too much bread), the hobbits ultimately overthrow Saruman and restore the Shire to its former glory. I hope we do the same and we remain at the WFCG, but that's fantasy, and we live in the real world.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

At the risk of being labeled a heretic there's worse ideas than Toton.

Toton could work, but it would need:
1) A new transport hub built exactly where HS2 station was meant to be which included train and bus station.
2) Commitment from EMR or government (maybe enforce in agreement to allow Forest to build) that dedicated supporter trains would run.
3) A sports or entertainment "village" which would flank the stadium and the tram park and ride.
4) Road widening schemes, specifically for the A52 and B6003 (the latter of which might need to be made into a tunnel to allow pedestrianisation of the entire area to make #3 work.

And you're probably talking £300m+ to make all that work.

But imagine the cost of redirecting the River Trent so the ground can still be on it's banks!

 

[Frank Clark’s Tash]

The current shower can't even get running water and paper towel is the bogs.

I'd have zero faith in them being able to deliver an entirely new stadium, and certainly not without it bankrupting us in the process, irrespective of which out of town retail park it was located on.

 

[Cloughie1975]

The current shower can't even get running water and paper towel is the bogs.

I'd have zero faith in them being able to deliver an entirely new stadium, and certainly not without it bankrupting us in the process, irrespective of which out of town retail park it was located on.

Exactly this.
Add in a clueless council then there’s a recipe for a disaster.

 

[Munich and Madrid]

Bombard tom.cartledge@nottinghamforest.co.uk with emails daily.