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[Flaggers]

Can we just (and I've done it before on another thread) put to bed for ever the idea of a tram being the selling point for the location of any proposed new ground.

If I recall correctly, being generous and assuming half the people are arriving/leaving in one direction and the other half are all going the other way, then with a 50,000 seat ground, the first people arriving for a 3pm kick off would need to arrive at about 2am, and the last people leaving after a 3pm kickoff ending at 5pm would find themselves getting on a tram at about 3 in the morning the following day.

And that's assuming the trams are running at 100% frequency and 100% occupancy

 

[Shearstone]

Council deny blocking negotiations

Council deny Forest's claims they are delaying stadium plans

Nottingham Forest are facing counter-allegations that they are to blame for having “stalled” talks in the dispute that is threatening the future of the City Ground. As reported by The Athletic, the club are giving serious consideration to leaving their home of the last 125 years in a favour of a...

theathletic.com

Knew it was BS and the club just want to move without the backlash on them.

 

[Strummer]

Can we just (and I've done it before on another thread) put to bed for ever the idea of a tram being the selling point for the location of any proposed new ground.

If I recall correctly, being generous and assuming half the people are arriving/leaving in one direction and the other half are all going the other way, then with a 50,000 seat ground, the first people arriving for a 3pm kick off would need to arrive at about 2am, and the last people leaving after a 3pm kickoff ending at 5pm would find themselves getting on a tram at about 3 in the morning the following day.

And that's assuming the trams are running at 100% frequency and 100% occupancy

To be honest, when I go and visit the stadium formerly known as the Adolf Hitler Kampfbahn to watch a match, the public transport is excellent. There are regular tram services every few minutes before the match, and post-match, the VVS (the local Stuttgart public transport company) queues up multiple trams ready for the post-match exodus.

On the opposite side of the stadium there is the S-Bahn station and there are also multiple trains waiting there to disperse crowds.

I don’t have to tell you of course, it is always meticulously well organised.

But even if you’re not in a rush, there are still plenty of places to get a Bier and something to eat after the game, whilst you wait for the crowd to disperse.

The problem for Toton is that it has one team stop that can cope with about 50 people per tram.

 

[DizzyBala]

Tom Cartledge is frustrated he can't get his firm to build an entire stadium and only a stand, the money grubbing f***er.

 

[Lee]

Such a conundrum, A club we don't trust, a council nobody trusts... so who's lying? Geoff Hurst with a bag of onions?

 

[Lee]

I don’t have to tell you of course, it is always meticulously well organised.

Definitely words used when describing EMR and NCT

 

[Notcher]

Council deny blocking negotiations

Council deny Forest's claims they are delaying stadium plans

Nottingham Forest are facing counter-allegations that they are to blame for having “stalled” talks in the dispute that is threatening the future of the City Ground. As reported by The Athletic, the club are giving serious consideration to leaving their home of the last 125 years in a favour of a...

theathletic.com

Knew it was BS and the club just want to move without the backlash on them.

Well what is certain is that someone is lying. I go back to my point that Tom Cartledge should be absolutely nowhere near the club with such a conflict of interest

 

[EmmersonForest4]

When it comes to matters of the heart Emmo, you do think very differently to most folk.

Wes I love the city ground but the ground is too small. My preference is stay with a 45-50k stadium on the beautiful banks of the Trent.

However some things aren’t possible. They just need weighing up. I wouldn’t move either for any old ground there would have to be red lines.

 

[Any Time Now]

We're run by a bunch of tossers and it's all going to end in tears, unfortunately it will be us that pay for it

 

[Lady Penelope]

Inevitably the club leak a bombshell via the press. It's very typical of how things are done these days, and sadly that starts at the Government. Anyway, I've had a crueller today so I have only just read the piece in The Athletic, and I haven't read the comments above. My immediate observations are:
Eastcroft is alluded to but without saying the name. If a move has to happen then to my mind that's the east option. I've made the arguments before so I won't repeat them.
Toton, handy for me but I don't like the idea. There are some advantages though: pulling in fans for whom travel would be easier (and upsetting fans who would have to traverse Nottm to get there); a selfish interest is that transport connections would be a key consideration, and that's what we do a lot of (rail and tram would feature hugely in any Toton plan); the site is big enough for a stadium and the training facilities (the 'campus' idea); the site is available; Forest would make good money in the stadium because there are not many bars and so on within easy walking distance.
Alternatives: if the land is suitable for housing it will be expensive so the only way to get a stadium on there would be to have a large amount of housing associated with the development. Tollerton has been mentioned before, and I'd encourage everyone to 'look north'. Rushcliffe is an expensive area and the local planners are under pressure daily. Other areas are more likely to welcome investment of this kind.
City Council: you are dealing with the Government now and they will want to gain every last penny from any sale or lease. That's why the reported cost of a new lease at the WFCG is so high, because it is a potential site for high value housing. Eastcroft is the same.

Moving on (and I don't refer to anything that I might have overheard otherwise I wouldn't overhear anything ever again!). The corner containers. they could be there for five years as per the planning. If the move is on then it will take the best part of that to get it all sorted, so why are they not pressing ahead? I wonder if the thinking has switched to getting another 1000 seats in one corner {TE/BC), and the 'hospitality' pods in the other? Just a thought, but I reckon it's a good one.

A new training ground. setting aside the campus idea for a moment, I will say that golf courses are struggling a bit and cannot rely on weddings and wakes to keep above water. Still, there's no chance of getting a golf course converted to a training facility with new buildings on it, and a stadium as well, in Rushcliffe, no matter what the money offered is. The planners would be distressed.

My view remains that, sadly, you can't get what you want on the current site for all sorts of reasons. So if a move is denied upon, I say this: it will not be a soulless bowl, and it will be cheaper to build than to refurb the WFCG. Marinakis is very ambitious and since he has owned the club, he has realised that he perhaps underestimated the potential. Toton is a possibility (and likely to be good for the people I work for) but look north for the alternative.

Finally, it is certainly not a foregone conclusion that Benoy will get the brief if a move is on. After all, their original plans for the PT were seriously modified by the owner a being not ambitious enough, and perhaps Benoy too have underestimated the potential. The owners will get expressions of interest and finalise a short list of three (Benoy will most likely be on that) ... if, always if, they decide to make a move.

This is a long read, but the club must set emotion aside and look at the business case, and they will. Everton have been on a similar journey in that Goodison also has "football soul", but there is now acceptance of the necessity to move because like the WFCG you can't get Goodison up to par on that site.

I have always felt that we will have to move else we will otherwise be a Division Two club. Pelters incoming no doubt, but it's all about opinions and the facts that form those opinions.

To be honest, when I go and visit the stadium formerly known as the Adolf Hitler Kampfbahn to watch a match, the public transport is excellent. There are regular tram services every few minutes before the match, and post-match, the VVS (the local Stuttgart public transport company) queues up multiple trams ready for the post-match exodus.

On the opposite side of the stadium there is the S-Bahn station and there are also multiple trains waiting there to disperse crowds.

I don’t have to tell you of course, it is always meticulously well organised.

But even if you’re not in a rush, there are still plenty of places to get a Bier and something to eat after the game, whilst you wait for the crowd to disperse.

The problem for Toton is that it has one team stop that can cope with about 50 people per tram.

At the moment. Rail connection via Long Eaton to Nottm is easy to fix.

 

[Timothy Pope]

I honestly think that this was a ploy to get the fans singing MOK throughout Saturday’s game. And I’m sure we will.
But in the media it’s just made the club look an even bigger bunch of idiots

 

[Lee]

At the moment. Rail connection via Long Eaton to Nottm is easy to fix.

Regardless of where/what the stadium...

Can we just please get into our heads that public transport IS NOT a solution here, it's all absolutely piss poor in the east midlands and will not be sufficient.

 

[Strummer]

So basically, are we all agreed that the way forward is to name the new Toton stadium after Adolf Hitler?

 

[tomw94]

Council deny blocking negotiations

Council deny Forest's claims they are delaying stadium plans

Nottingham Forest are facing counter-allegations that they are to blame for having “stalled” talks in the dispute that is threatening the future of the City Ground. As reported by The Athletic, the club are giving serious consideration to leaving their home of the last 125 years in a favour of a...

theathletic.com

Knew it was BS and the club just want to move without the backlash on them.

Tom Cartledge is a lying snake, who is only interested in what he gets in his back pocket from a stadium move.

Surely the rise in ticket prices easily covers the the lease each year? Or even better Arters contract being terminated.

Once our PL status is secured, I would love if we organised a protest against this dickhead and moving stadiums.

 

[sammy the snake]

Utter bollox. Who the hell is going to fund at least 500million for a new stadium then?

Stop the f***ing around Forest and treat the council and supporters with respect.

 

[chaospunx]

is this to protect our absolute cock of a chairman get to f*** hes getting my full abuse

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788597212244525399

 

[Notcher]

is this to protect our absolute cock of a chairman get to f*** hes getting my full abuse

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788597212244525399

It's exactly that whilst hiding behind a post about discrimination

 

[Strummer]

is this to protect our absolute cock of a chairman get to f*** hes getting my full abuse

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1788597212244525399

f*** you Forest.

f***. You.

 

[Shearstone]

So that's a no on the plan to sing "Toms a rent boy" Sat then

 

[chaospunx]

Oh they know we'll its more do they give a shit and they obviously don't so maybe we should remind them we have a voice too don't respect us fans we can soon be silent just like the rest of the league and us in 5 years if we push ahead with this shit.
Infact the difference is already noticeable since they removed someone who brought it all together.
Piss the proper fans off and you may still get some fans but it will be the ones filming everything on there phone wearing a half and half scarf with a sign asking for the shirt of the opposition star player

 

[andyd]

I’m actually very pleased the council have fired back. Neither they nor the club are trustworthy whatsoever but them going public shines a light on the club’s dishonesty which some people need to hear.

It definitely seems that the club want a new stadium but know they have to find a scapegoat to try and squeeze it past the fans. What they don’t seem to recognise though is that we aren’t that stupid.

New stadiums are the easy cop out for ownership. For all that we may dislike Liverpool Fenway Sports Group are the only ownership I’ve seen consistently commit to their stadia no matter what. The easy option was to bin off Fenway Park. The easy option was to bin off Anfield. But they see what history and fan desires mean to a sports club and took financial, commercial and capacity hits to honour that and remain at their spiritual homes in creative ways.

Our ownership seem to be revealing that, all along, they were looking for the easy fix at the cost of everything we stand for and makes us special. That just makes me seethingly angry, even more so because the lifelong fan chairman with a conflict of interest is at the heart of it and he should know better.

West Ham will never be the same because they turned their back on Upton Park and I am sure that, with hindsight, many connected would love to turn back the clock and make a different decision. That should be a latent warning to the management of Nottingham Forest but they clearly aren’t listening, to history or to the fans.

 

[Shearstone]

I’m actually very pleased the council have fired back. Neither they nor the club are trustworthy whatsoever but them going public shines a light on the club’s dishonesty which some people need to hear.

It definitely seems that the club want a new stadium but know they have to find a scapegoat to try and squeeze it past the fans. What they don’t seem to recognise though is that we aren’t that stupid.

New stadiums are the easy cop out for ownership. For all that we may dislike Liverpool Fenway Sports Group are the only ownership I’ve seen consistently commit to their stadia no matter what. The easy option was to bin off Fenway Park. The easy option was to bin off Anfield. But they see what history and fan desires mean to a sports club and took financial, commercial and capacity hits to honour that and remain at their spiritual homes in creative ways.

Our ownership seem to be revealing that, all along, they were looking for the easy fix at the cost of everything we stand for and makes us special. That just makes me seethingly angry, even more so because the lifelong fan chairman with a conflict of interest is at the heart of it and he should know better.

West Ham will never be the same because they turned their back on Upton Park and I am sure that, with hindsight, many connected would love to turn back the clock and make a different decision. That should be a latent warning to the management of Nottingham Forest but they clearly aren’t listening, to history or to the fans.

I'll admit I have an axe to grind with the owners (I don't like them) but it shouldn't be just me who notices that we are at the whim of our owner. It's why Cooper has been effectively deleted from the clubs official consciousness. EM wants prestige and trophies from EM FC not Nottingham Forest.

We could be any club to him. He just realized Greek football could only go so far so he needed to branch out to be seen as a big gun of European Football.

 

[Gyros Peter]

I'll admit I have an ace to grind with the owners (I don't like them) but it shouldn't be just me who notices that we are at the whim of our owner. It's why Cooper has been effectively deleted from the clubs official consciousness. EM wants prestige and trophies from EM FC not Nottingham Forest.

We could be any club to him. He just realized Greek football could only go so far so he needed to branch out to be seen as a big gun of European Football.

It isn't just you who notices that surely - it's obvious. Marinakis hasn't been some lifelong forest fan waiting to buy the club - we just happened to have the right colours and be owned by his idiot mate.

 

[redun]

Not enough is being made of the previous chairman's public statement that the club had secured a 250 year lease for the land the ground sits on, just how did that happen? Moving on we now have our current chairman conducting the clubs " negotiations " through a sports news outlet. Just what the hell is going on?

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[McKenzie]

There is no way the club have controlled when this has been released, the Toton rumours have been swirling around for months. it’s been sat in for months and the journalist / athletic have purposely released it a few days before a crucial weekend. If the club where in control it would have been released after we where safe, hiding bad news in good.

I agree with this. I dont particularly trust the club but I definitely trust journalists less.