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[Captain Sinister]

I don't mind Pawson, he's one of the better ones. Can't remember him having a huge impact on us not winning either of those two games.

I don't mind Michael Oliver either.

Michael Oliver is as good a ref as there is.
Mind you, I think it was him who came out and said he was a Newcastle supporter and he wouldn't ref in any capacity any game involving Newcastle, and their arch rivals, Sunderland.
Unpicking that it was either total honesty, or admitting he was unable to guarantee he wouldn't favour his team.
And if that is the case, how can anyone guarantee he is capable of being unbiased in any game?
But I do like him.

 

[Statto]

I don't mind Pawson, he's one of the better ones. Can't remember him having a huge impact on us not winning either of those two games.

I don't mind Michael Oliver either.

Oliver is overrated but isn't that bad, and I don't really think Pawson has been involved in any bad decisions in those games either

but the point was that they aren't supposed to do two matches with the same team in a row and this has happened this season.

We've also only had Jarred Gillett twice but also Tierney and Taylor on several occasions this season

 

[Lefkasman]

I understand your view and I think that we are both highly frustrated with the the repeated errors.

i just believe the Club acted too quickly with the tweet. The press (unfairly) are all over us. We can do without the fuss.

Sounds exactly like an old boss of mine. What do you want to go and join a union for? You know my door is always open and you can come and talk to me anytime.
Yeh right

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[PynchonForest]

I think it's worth getting a bit more Taylor in to this and the media conversation. We are all being ushered in to making it all about Attwell. It goes deeper than that. Also it's a conversation that needs to be brought back to the word 'bias' rather than corruption again and again.

Baloney. Taylor has no angle on the handball. That is on VAR. The foul on Reyna is easily missed in real time. The tackle on CHO from behind Taylor was told Young won the ball. This is ALL about Atwell, and what VAR is supposed to do.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

The tackle on CHO from behind Taylor was told Young won the ball.

Who's told him that then, the little fairy that sits atop his shoulder?

 

[Statto]

Who's told him that then, the little fairy that sits atop his shoulder?

Lewis Hamilton

 

[PynchonForest]

Anthony Taylor hugely at fault for the third and most obvious penalty - there's no (good - they'll be the odd fuckwit suggesting they just 'know it wasn't' or something) argument against that not being a penalty.

The other two he needed VAR for, the third he shouldn't have done, but then they 'let him down'/backed him/cheated as well. That third call beggars belief - it's as clear and obvious a penalty as you'll ever see. *****.

VAR told Taylor Young got the ball. That is on Atwell. This is one of the points of VAR---refs don't have to "guess" on PK decisions and offside any longer. They wait for the confirmation. This is one of my big issues with VAR. IT is taking decision making out of referee's hands, and decision making is absolutely critical to refereeing. Taylor waiting for VAR to confirm or deny a penalty claim is exactly what he is supposed to do. IN real time that is hard to say, conclusively, that Young's tackle is a definite foul. In real time, first view, I was uncertain. As soon as we had a different angle it's a stone PK. We need to stop creating enemies where none exist. The shit storm is directly on Attwell's shoulders. Taylor is a very good referee.

Michael Oliver is as good a ref as there is.
Mind you, I think it was him who came out and said he was a Newcastle supporter and he wouldn't ref in any capacity any game involving Newcastle, and their arch rivals, Sunderland.
Unpicking that it was either total honesty, or admitting he was unable to guarantee he wouldn't favour his team.
And if that is the case, how can anyone guarantee he is capable of being unbiased in any game?
But I do like him.

He is the best ref in England.

 

[Statto]

He is the best ref in England.

this guy you mean

 

[Strummer]

If Atwell told Taylor that Young clearly got the ball - when it was obvious to the entire planet watching that he did not - then he is either one of two things:

1. Blind, and thus, should be released from his job immediately, or

2. Corrupt, and deliberately trying to deny Forest a clear penalty by - frankly - lying.

 

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

PGMOL makes audio public of controversial Diaz VAR error

The PGMOL releases the audio recordings between the match officials for Liverpool forward Luis Diaz's disallowed goal against Tottenham.

www.bbc.com

"Following the incident in Saturday's Premier League game, Liverpool said "sporting integrity has been undermined".

In a statement on Sunday, the club said they will "explore the range of options available given the clear need for escalation and resolution".

Sorry if posted before, but how is this different from our statement in any meaningful way?

 

[Statto]

PGMOL makes audio public of controversial Diaz VAR error

The PGMOL releases the audio recordings between the match officials for Liverpool forward Luis Diaz's disallowed goal against Tottenham.

www.bbc.com

"Following the incident in Saturday's Premier League game, Liverpool said "sporting integrity has been undermined".

In a statement on Sunday, the club said they will "explore the range of options available given the clear need for escalation and resolution".

Sorry if posted before, but how is this different from our statement in any meaningful way?

It isn't

the whole thing stinks almost as much as a room full of year 9 boys

 

[Gyros Peter]

VAR told Taylor Young got the ball. That is on Atwell. This is one of the points of VAR---refs don't have to "guess" on PK decisions and offside any longer. They wait for the confirmation. This is one of my big issues with VAR. IT is taking decision making out of referee's hands, and decision making is absolutely critical to refereeing. Taylor waiting for VAR to confirm or deny a penalty claim is exactly what he is supposed to do. IN real time that is hard to say, conclusively, that Young's tackle is a definite foul. In real time, first view, I was uncertain. As soon as we had a different angle it's a stone PK. We need to stop creating enemies where none exist. The shit storm is directly on Attwell's shoulders. Taylor is a very good referee.

I disagree there - in the position of the two players and ball it was as obvious a pen as can be, and the ref should have called it. Because he didn't we then go down the 'clear and obvious' route, meaning the var has to disagree with him, which he didn't. Also, I don't class Taylor as a good ref.

 

[Ashley]

PGMOL makes audio public of controversial Diaz VAR error

The PGMOL releases the audio recordings between the match officials for Liverpool forward Luis Diaz's disallowed goal against Tottenham.

www.bbc.com

"Following the incident in Saturday's Premier League game, Liverpool said "sporting integrity has been undermined".

In a statement on Sunday, the club said they will "explore the range of options available given the clear need for escalation and resolution".

Sorry if posted before, but how is this different from our statement in any meaningful way?

Sky Sports Six side. They have a different set of rules.

 

[Louth Red]

Baloney. Taylor has no angle on the handball. That is on VAR. The foul on Reyna is easily missed in real time. The tackle on CHO from behind Taylor was told Young won the ball. This is ALL about Atwell, and what VAR is supposed to do.

Wrong - Taylor clearly indicated he believed Young won the ball for the third ‘penalty’. He got it wrong badly.

On the first two, if he was unsighted, he is in communication with the assistant referee - why no conversation? Or maybe run the angle when the assistant referee is on the other side.

Six officials at every PL game plus technology and still we get unbelievably bad decisions week in week out.

Too many officials are giving decisions from a distance and guessing wrongly. VAR is there to correct these errors.

I admire your ability to constantly find reasons to support the man in black.

 

[YellowBelly Red]

They try not to put refs on the same teams within a 1 month period and they never officiate the same team 2 games on the spin

Didn't Hopper do our Spurs away game a couple of weeks ago?

 

[Notcher]

Didn't Hopper do our Spurs away game a couple of weeks ago?

I'd imagine that there's going to be the odd occasion that it's unavoidable logistically. Due to the relatively small pool.

 

[Rubics]

Everything is ok in the world of reffing

"BREAKING: Michael Oliver and Anthony Taylor have been confirmed by UEFA as the Premier League representatives going to Euro 2024 with David Coote and Stuart Attwell chosen for VAR"

Lets hope twatwell doesn’t get greece for a game - might not make it home!

 

[Robertson]

Lets hope twatwell doesn’t get greece for a game - might not make it home!

No, lets

Edit: hang on, they haven’t qualified. Vlach lost the penalty shootout in the playoff

 

[Sea Tree]

I don't want to upset you but the 4th official on Sunday was.... Keith Stroud.

Me neither, but it's also the case that Stroud has been a Luton Town fan since boyhood.

 

[Lefkasman]

Just when things are going well this twat pokes his nose in.

Starmer wades into VAR offside row after Coventry's disallowed goal

Labour leader Keir Starmer has called for football's offside rules to be changed after Coventry City were denied a historic winning goal in the FA Cup semi-final against Man United on Sunday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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[Captain Sinister]

Wrong - Taylor clearly indicated he believed Young won the ball for the third ‘penalty’. He got it wrong badly.

On the first two, if he was unsighted, he is in communication with the assistant referee - why no conversation? Or maybe run the angle when the assistant referee is on the other side.

Six officials at every PL game plus technology and still we get unbelievably bad decisions week in week out.

Too many officials are giving decisions from a distance and guessing wrongly. VAR is there to correct these errors.

I admire your ability to constantly find reasons to support the man in black.

Pynchon is "one of them" (a member of the reffing fraternity).
As such he is illustrating conclusively that they all stick up for each other

 

[Flaggers]

So we can only hear the audio in private, eh?

What have they got to hide?

 

[Lefkasman]

So we can only hear the audio in private, eh?

What have they got to hide?

Probably that they are all Freemasons.

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[valspoodle]

It's a club, specially designed to make sure the refs always look right, despite constantly saying they are human like the rest of us.

If they came out and spoke to the public, just like the manager and players are forced to do, often very soon after a really tense and fraught game, it would make such a difference.

Now there is such a spotlight on everything they do, the worst thing that they can do is shut themselves away and pretend that everything is hunky dory.

Oh, and have refs control themselves with no outside oversight? Bound to lead to speculation that things are a bit corrupt or biased even if we know they aren't. Everybody else in the FA orbit is subject to independent regulation.

 

[Flaggers]

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