Standard of Referees (Sponsored by Steven Reid)

[Alvar Hanso]

Tierney can write down whatever he likes. Doesn't make it fact in my book.

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Exactly. He can't even remember the rules of the game, which is his actual job.

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

I still can't understand why Boly's second yellow couldn't have been wiped out so he didn't have to serve a ban. If that wasn't a case of misidentification of the person who committed the foul I don't know what is! The ref couldn't even get the team right!

 

[Chappers85]

I still can't understand why Boly's second yellow couldn't have been wiped out so he didn't have to serve a ban. If that wasn't a case of misidentification of the person who committed the foul I don't know what is! The ref couldn't even get the team right!

It is so stupid that VAR couldn't intervene. Whether it's a second yellow or a straight red, it's a significant decision that may well effect the outcome of the match (and I think it did as I'm sure we would have got at least a point if not all 3 had we had all 11 players). I think someone may have said it at the time, but if VAR had their thinking caps on (I know, I know) - they could have asked the ref to go to the monitor to look at what was a foul on Boly as potential red card for serious foul play (it wasn't a red but he did step on his ankle). The ref could then have rescinded the second yellow to Boly, given a yellow to the Bournemouth player, free kick to Forest and one of the most awful refereeing blunders I've seen averted.

 

[Strummer]

I still can't understand why Boly's second yellow couldn't have been wiped out so he didn't have to serve a ban. If that wasn't a case of misidentification of the person who committed the foul I don't know what is! The ref couldn't even get the team right!

Believe it or not, they can’t overturn second yellow cards.

Yes, ridiculous isn’t it.

 

[Robertson]

It’s not like rules are set in stone, especially those surrounding VAR. They should evolve in response to precedent, and the Boly incident ought to have been the point at which the PGMOL thought, hang on, this isn't quite right, maybe we can tweak the guidelines here, at least so something similar doesn't happen again.

 

[Apollo11]

It’s not like rules are set in stone, especially those surrounding VAR. They should evolve in response to precedent, and the Boly incident ought to have been the point at which the PGMOL thought, hang on, this isn't quite right, maybe we can tweak the guidelines here, at least so something similar doesn't happen again.

They may do yet,but not sure if rules can change midseason so they need to wait till the summer.

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

I guess the question is; Was the verbal tirade because you f**ked up and didn’t know your job?

Not excusing what Reid said - just reiterating what others have pointed out, that the source of the problem seems to have got away Scott free

Can't have been, Pynchon never interprets or implements the rules incorrectly...

 

[MaxiRobriguez]

It is so stupid that VAR couldn't intervene. Whether it's a second yellow or a straight red, it's a significant decision that may well effect the outcome of the match (and I think it did as I'm sure we would have got at least a point if not all 3 had we had all 11 players). I think someone may have said it at the time, but if VAR had their thinking caps on (I know, I know) - they could have asked the ref to go to the monitor to look at what was a foul on Boly as potential red card for serious foul play (it wasn't a red but he did step on his ankle). The ref could then have rescinded the second yellow to Boly, given a yellow to the Bournemouth player, free kick to Forest and one of the most awful refereeing blunders I've seen averted.

Yes but if you put it in the frame that they are deliberately hampering Forest then it makes more sense. It was a crap decision, and VAR didn't "think on its feet" because they were happy with the decision.

When you frame it like that, all the shitty decisions against us suddenly make sense. Forest are upsetting the PL apple cart, and the PL are therefore responding by putting blockers in our way: harsh points deductions, terrible refereeing decisions etc. They don't want Forest anywhere near the top half gravy train.

 

[Thomas]

If Reid said what he is reported to have said, then that is his problem. Going on a tirade will never a) reverse a decision b) make an official more likely to give you something next time and c) endear you to his colleagues. It's a pointless, undisciplined verbal explosion. Makes him a hero to the fans of the club and does absolutely nothing to help us in the future. So be it. If anyone can see the point to this, it's lost on me. And yes, I've been on the end of this type of thing a few times. I just pull out my book, write down what the guy yells, and put it in my report. Then he can try and explain himself to the disciplinary committee. If he apologizes later, good for him. If he doesn't, I don't care. If he does it again, I do the exact same thing.

Bro LMAO who f***ing cares.

I don’t think his point in calling a **** a **** wasn’t to fix the outcome of a match, I think you already know nothing can be done to help what happened.

In any field of occupation, if you f*** up the result of whatever then you’re going to get called a **** in various ways.


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[Thomas]

Dudes a ****, deserved to be yelled at and called a ****. “I don’t condone what he said” be serious for once please.


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[Mr. Blonde]

If you don't want to be called a **** then don't act like a ****

It's quite simple really

 

[I'm Red Till Dead]

Believe it or not, they can’t overturn second yellow cards.

Yes, ridiculous isn’t it.

According to this - file:///J:/Downloads/football-services-guides-red-yellow-cards.pdf you can appeal a red card OR a caution because of mistaken identity in the amateur game.

How do I appeal a caution or red card?
All cautions and red cards can be appealed on the grounds of Mistaken Identity. Please refer to our Football
Services Guide on Mistaken Identity for more information.
An appeal for Mistaken Identity should only be submitted when the referee has shown the card to the wrong
player on the day. If you believe the referee has recorded the wrong name when submitting a caution or
red card, please contact the Football Services Team via email at footballservices@amateur-fa.com We will
investigate the matter further and amend the case if appropriate.

Presumably the professional game would have a similar rule and surely booking a player of the wrong team constitutes mistaken identity so an appeal ought to have been allowed.

 

[Browser79]

Nice to see Anthony Taylor getting the big match today. Everyone loves a redemption story…

 

[Otis Redding]

It’s not like rules are set in stone, especially those surrounding VAR. They should evolve in response to precedent, and the Boly incident ought to have been the point at which the PGMOL thought, hang on, this isn't quite right, maybe we can tweak the guidelines here, at least so something similar doesn't happen again.

Indeed so, but I won't be holding my breath in anticipation of that Robbo.

 

[Suspect Device]

Michael Oliver tonight.

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[Masuka]

Thought Michael Oliver was brilliant last night.

If that was the standard every game, no one would complain, unfortunately it’s not.

 

[Flaggers]

I'd give him an "acceptable" personally.

 

[HappyHappyJoyJoy]

Don't have many big decisions to make and could have booked a few of their players for some robust challenges.

But no major complaints.

 

[Flaggers]

Don't have many big decisions to make and could have booked a few of their players for some robust challenges.

But no major complaints.

Yates was getting clobbered late time after time last night and nothing

 

[Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD.]

Linesman on BC side flagging for Wood offside when he wasn't even looking - they really need to learn to let play continue and let VAR handle any problems.

 

[GOBIAS]

I quite liked Oliver not falling for any nonsense. A few times I did think we were trying to buy an easy foul and he wasn’t having it. Sometimes he was probably a bit too soft as I thought a few were fouls, or are we just conditioned to them being fouls?

I’d rather refs were like that but unfortunately they aren’t always. Also in the game last night he gave a few really soft fouls still.

 

[oxonred]

Linesman on BC side flagging for Wood offside when he wasn't even looking - they really need to learn to let play continue and let VAR handle any problems.

That’s what the assistant’s normally do on offsides, unless it’s blatantly obvious.

 

[oxonred]

I quite liked Oliver not falling for any nonsense. A few times I did think we were trying to buy an easy foul and he wasn’t having it. Sometimes he was probably a bit too soft as I thought a few were fouls, or are we just conditioned to them being fouls?

I’d rather refs were like that but unfortunately they aren’t always. Also in the game last night he gave a few really soft fouls still.

I think he’s the best of a bad bunch.

 

[PynchonForest]

I guess the question is; Was the verbal tirade because you f**ked up and didn’t know your job?

Not excusing what Reid said - just reiterating what others have pointed out, that the source of the problem seems to have got away Scott free

You work off the assumption, like many in here, that the referee is the enemy. And yes, I know, that will never change. And you also work off the assumption that anyone who yells at a referee is correct in doing so. Curiously, most of the best coaches in this city do not yell at referees. They talk to them when they are missing the boat. Anyhow, I wouldn't term how I referee as f***ing up so much as acknowledging that mistakes will be made every single game I referee. It's the nature of the position. Players do not play perfect balls, nor do they make perfect decisions, every single time. Coaches get tactics wrong, get substitutions wrong, try to motivate players wrong. Why? I believe it is part of being a human being. Something to ponder. As I have said many a time, if you think you can be a better referee than this guy or that guy, go take a course and prove it.

 

[Flaggers]

You work off the assumption, like many in here, that the referee is the enemy. And yes, I know, that will never change. And you also work off the assumption that anyone who yells at a referee is correct in doing so. Curiously, most of the best coaches in this city do not yell at referees. They talk to them when they are missing the boat. Anyhow, I wouldn't term how I referee as f***ing up so much as acknowledging that mistakes will be made every single game I referee. It's the nature of the position. Players do not play perfect balls, nor do they make perfect decisions, every single time. Coaches get tactics wrong, get substitutions wrong, try to motivate players wrong. Why? I believe it is part of being a human being. Something to ponder. As I have said many a time, if you think you can be a better referee than this guy or that guy, go take a course and prove it.

I think it's possible to make a distinction between "making a mistake" in the general context of refereeing, and failing or refusing (as he was warned by hos colleagues, I understand) to apply the laws of the game at a dead ball sittuation in this case.

It's a bit like a ref seeing a penalty offence, blowing the whistle, signalling for a penalty, doing all the pre-penalty things, putting the ball on the spot, and then letting the defending team take the kick.