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Financial Fair Play (FFP)

enlightened

First Team Squad
As with many "what-ifs" in this FFP case, a salient point is....he didn't.
If you mean he didn't break his leg then I agree with you - he didn't. But it's not really a salient point - Reyna was signed to cover a need that would arise if MGW got injured. That's sensible. The fact that he hasn't been needed doesn't make that any less sensible a move.
 
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You could also argue, that Forest were in need of a CF and that if it was possible to loan a player, who was scoring goals, for 6 months to see if he was capable for a minimal cost, that would represent a sensible low risk option

It was an option to buy - If he performs and is good enough you buy him, if not you send him back.
We will potentially need a replacement for the other CF that you said was shit in the Summer - Chris Wood
My Nan always used to say if you don’t have anything nice to say, say nothing at all. Unfortunately as I said on my first post back POG some posters on here are more interested in their opinion than they are in our great club( not you).
I totally get it when people let off steam after a loss and their perceived problems with players,tactics etc. But we have a minority who want to peddle their opinions( as is their prerogative) on a loop that just bores the arse off the majority and drives many posters away. Just because you write thousands of posts it does not give you the entitlement that it is your forum. Socialism turns to Communism and before you know it you have Stalin in charge.
I have just finished rereading the Duncan Hamilton book on BC( thanks to a poster who mentioned it the other week) great but sad read in relation to the latter days. There is a quote when BC at the end mentions the fact that certain fans did not appreciate him when he arrived and then not when he left. We will always have them because you cannot possibly satisfy everyone.

Despite all the negativity, the owners in my 60 years of supporting this great club are the best we have ever had and I am delighted the Big Man wants to take on the EPL and try and change the landscape of the EPL that is so biased towards those top six it is a restraint of trade. Masters should have resigned already for his ‘small clubs ‘ comment.

PS Gary Neville go on another mini retirement you twat.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I think Reyna was brought in as cover for MGW - we didn't have anyone else like him and he is our main creative force and at points this season he has looked like he might not be fully fit. So yeah - good business.
I was going to say exactly the same.
Reyna is not a CF, he is cover for MGW as we do not have anyone of the same level to replace him.

You can imagine the outcry on here if MGW had broken his leg and we had to play Danilo as his replacement.
EM would have been crucified for not getting any cover in - useless Geek bastard doesn't know what he's doing :deadhorse::deadhorse::deadhorse:
Awesome business buying a player who Nuno wouldn't play, despite playing against one of the worst sides in the league and not having any other forward options. :ROFLMAO:

Seeing Felipe come on for Wood really rammed home how good a bit of business Reyna was.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
I don't want to tempt fate - but we have 9 games left - anyone can get injured at any point.
We could have loaned someone who Nuno actually felt he could use though. True story.

But better to spend the loan fees and wages on someone who he doesn't even feel can contribute against Luton right?

"Good business" coz then we don't have to pay any potential playing bonus out too! Now i'm starting to see the genius in it all!

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enlightened

First Team Squad
Awesome business buying a player who Nuno wouldn't play, despite playing against one of the worst sides in the league and not having any other forward options. :ROFLMAO:

Seeing Felipe come on for Wood really rammed home how good a bit of business Reyna was.
OK - if you think that bringing Felipe on for Wood was a like-for-like change and not a change in formation / tactics I'll bow out gracefully here as we clearly aren't going to agree. I would have liked Reyna to have featured more for us so far and I think that's a mistake from Nuno but there is one surefire set of circumstances in which he won't have a part to play for us ... and that is if he was still in Dortmund.
 

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
Awesome business buying a player who Nuno wouldn't play, despite playing against one of the worst sides in the league and not having any other forward options. :ROFLMAO:

Seeing Felipe come on for Wood really rammed home how good a bit of business Reyna was.
Wood was injured and had to be replaced.
Awoniyi was unavailable injured.
We have no other CF's at the club - maybe we should have signed Akpom?

No way was Reyna the right replacement in those circumstances - Felipe was the right choice - it was the execution that let us down again.

Reyna is a quality player - and in general - I don't agree with NES in not playing him.
I would like to see him playing tomorrow, it will be a very different type of game to Luton away
 

PlayedOnGrass

First Team Squad
We could have loaned someone who Nuno actually felt he could use though. True story.

But better to spend the loan fees and wages on someone who he doesn't even feel can contribute against Luton right?

"Good business" coz then we don't have to pay any potential playing bonus out too! Now i'm starting to see the genius in it all!

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Do tell what the 'true story' is
I have said in another response - I don't agree that Reyna is not getting game time.
However - if there is one game not to play him in, it is Luton away.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
OK - if you think that bringing Felipe on for Wood was a like-for-like change and not a change in formation / tactics I'll bow out gracefully here as we clearly aren't going to agree. I would have liked Reyna to have featured more for us so far and I think that's a mistake from Nuno but there is one surefire set of circumstances in which he won't have a part to play for us ... and that is if he was still in Dortmund.
I never stated that at all, I'm saying that we've wasted on forward options who aren't good enough to step in for 20 min against one of the worst sides in the league to the point where the manager makes a defensive change the likes of which he hasn't all season.

Wood was injured and had to be replaced.
Awoniyi was unavailable injured.
We have no other CF's at the club - maybe we should have signed Akpom?

No way was Reyna the right replacement in those circumstances - Felipe was the right choice - it was the execution that let us down again.

Reyna is a quality player - and in general - I don't agree with NES in not playing him.
I would like to see him playing tomorrow, it will be a very different type of game to Luton away
See above.

Do tell what the 'true story' is
I have said in another response - I don't agree that Reyna is not getting game time.
However - if there is one game not to play him in, it is Luton away.
If he can't step in for 20 min against Luton, he's been a waste of money frankly.

But that's what our recruitment specialize in. It's similar to seeing the excuses justifying the 37m spent on Sangare, and sale of Mangala for 30m. 7m loss for worse contribution this year, but "muugghh...good business" lol

It's a cope.
 

Alf-engelos Mindminackers

The Artiste formally known as "Wanksy"
Reckon Nuno would have brought on Akpom against Luton given the chance. Bit short-sighted from EM that. Should have upped his bid.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the level he's dragged us down to with that
:ROFLMAO:

The excuse that the club needed to buy 2 forwards in Jan to stay up, despite many stating and thinking (including the owner) that Cooper had enough to get us into the top 12 with pre-window, is hilarious tbh.

Awoniyi, Wood, Elanga and Origi were deemed enough to push on with, never mind avoid relegation. But suddenly, when Awoniyi returned from injury and we were given an FFP/PSR charge, that changed to "must bring in 2 forward players to survive" :ROFLMAO:


I didn't see Felipe replacing Wood as any kind of reflection on Reyna, just that Nuno was too negative in that game.
I'd wager if Nuno had better option, he'd have played him at some point myself. (EDIT: The better option)
 
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eyupmeduck

Geoff Thomas

Not sure Greg did that well in this debate Neville was being an idiot as per usual so I feel for Greg in that regard
I watched the skysports thingy and have to say that although he did well in terms of not rising to the constant barrage of preachy nonsense from Gary Neville, Spits Magee and the Everton fan, a few points were massively glossed over.

Everton are running with the narrative that they breached because they weren't allowed to include stadium interest payments as allowable expenses but we went crazy and bought 34 players so effectively deserve what we get. They weren't allowed to include those payments because they were not interest payments on loans for the stadium but loans that were used for running costs. They also signed 27 payers over the 3 year psr window

Forest buying whatever the number associated with the breach is misleading, we either play the Everton card and blame it on none football factors such as has been pointed out previously until the 2nd of June Forest were led to believe that £30m of the losses were allowable (Covid claim and the promotion bonuses) because the EPL had indicated that this would be the case in our "constant dialogue".

If we are being beaten with the "You signed 298 players you get everything you deserve" thing that Neville and the Everton bozo were pulling out (Which the Luton fan jumped on as well) then the facts behind the number are a bit different.

Firstly we started with a first team squad of 7 players (Including Horvath) 6 really as we loaned out Horvath to Luton so needed 19 to make a squad of 25. The actual transfer cost of those 6 by the way, £6 million so our squad cost about the same as Nevilles League 2 Salford value.

We spent money on 18 transfers, 2 of whom got or arrived with season ending injuries within the first few months of the season, 2 of whom you could probably argue were future players (Bowler and xtina) and Hwang where he wasnt signed for us at all. All in all we paid for lets say 15 players we thought would be first team squad members and had to adapt when 2 got bad injuries. Net First team players +13

The spend bit annoyed me, like Man U at the same time hadn't spent the same amount on 2 players (Casimeiro and Antony).

7 Players were signed as free transfers, 1 was for the u23s, 2 came in in January. Net first team players +6

5 players were loaned in, Navas was signed because our first choice loan keeper was injured for the season so really its one squad place between the two of them, Bade never played at all and had left by the January, Wood was signed on a loan to buy deal, Lodi was great and needed to be signed because the chap we originally signed to play Left back did not appear in the season or indeed at all for us yet. Net first team players +3

Our "Excesses" led us from having a squad of 6 to 28 whereby Luton for example this season have signed 15 players and have a first team squad of 29. On Luton, they have no right to moan about anything, they will benefit from our points deduction based on last season, they had a squad 2 times bigger than we had. If they stay up it will be because of points deductions, they are garbage and will be relegated next year anyway.

There is so much lazy commentary but i have to admit that it was mainly Neville the font of no knowledge and the Everton fan that irked me the most. I dont think Greg got chance to answer much really but i found it wholly annoying, probably as the wordcount shows!
 

Robertson

Viv Anderson
Love a good straw-man filled rant.
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the level he's dragged us down to with that
:ROFLMAO:

The excuse that the club needed to buy 2 forwards in Jan to stay up, despite many stating and thinking (including the owner) that Cooper had enough to get us into the top 12 with pre-window, is hilarious tbh.

Awoniyi, Wood, Elanga and Origi were deemed enough to push on with, never mind avoid relegation. But suddenly, when Awoniyi returned from injury and we were given an FFP/PSR charge, that changed to "must bring in 2 forward players to survive" :ROFLMAO:



I'd wager if Nuno had better option, he'd have played him at some point myself. (EDIT: The better option)
I was joking about EM offering more for Akpom by the way.
 

Robertson

Viv Anderson
Can't be arsed to read all of this shit but Nuno needs to give Reyna minutes sharpish.

Playing Origi in a role Reyna would be better suited to is mind-boggling - to put it politely.

As was dropping CHO just as he was hitting top form & looking back to his best.
I think Origi has done OK there, but there are better options as you say. CHO was great against Liverpool, I don't care who wants to scapegoat him. Reyna mostly untried.

Whatsmore we only ever seem to have one of Wood or Awoniyi fit at any one time, so giving Origi a try there even just once to lessen the load might be an idea. Nuno seems to prefer Elanga at centre forward though 🤷‍♂️
 

MaxiRobriguez

Bob McKinlay

Not sure Greg did that well in this debate Neville was being an idiot as per usual so I feel for Greg in that regard

Did Greg get a chance to respond to anything put to him? Not sure I heard his voice in the 20 minute non-stop Neville spiel.
 

Bonfy177

LTLF MORON
Just heard Sean Dyche saying Everton have complied with the premier league and handed over all the information they were asked for……sure they said this first time around when in actual fact they were economical with the truth.

Hope they don’t get fisted again with points …….Honest. 🙄
 
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