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Cherry pie and custard is one of my favourite pudsI like cherries. Not as much as bananas though.
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Cherry pie and custard is one of my favourite pudsI like cherries. Not as much as bananas though.
I’d argue that the tone was set in 1983 (9 years before the formation of the Premier League)I acknowledged I was cherry picking too
The point I was making is not that the EPL is competitive, but that the top division had been uncompetitive on the same terms before the EPL.
The 20 years prior to the EPL had already set the tone.
Even if this is correct, these changes aren't made in a vacuum... they have antecedents.I’d argue that the tone was set in 1983 (9 years before the formation of the Premier League)
when home clubs were allowed to keep their own gate receipts
Cherry pie and custard is one of my favourite puds
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You didn‘t want any answers,R-but I’ll give you one (so to speak).Even if this is correct, these changes aren't made in a vacuum... they have antecedents.
What caused the league to make these changes? How were the clubs involved? Etc (I'm not expect answers, btw im being pointedly rhetorical )
Football is evolutionary in the sport itself, in the business that operates it and co-evolutionary with the community it draws its fans from, and with the technological and economic practices of the society it is part of.
You're correct that we can't go backwards but which way is forward?I've long been a reformist when it comes to football, but I'm also a realist.
The debate has to happen about whatvis that fans actually want and what does it mean in real terms.
I don't have any answers personally but I don't see people having too many answers either. I started a thread weeks ago about what changes people want but no really wants to offer anything.
And I suspect that's because we're so conditioned to retail offers we can consume.
And there is no mileage in 'the good old days.'
Capping ‘commercial income’ against FFP at about £20m would be a start. The big six clubs are topping a billion a year between them in income claimed to offset expenses on wages and player purchases. No wonder there is wage inflation.You're correct that we can't go backwards but which way is forward?
For me I think we need to get control of wages and transfer fees, quite how to do that wihout mandating caps is difficult and I wouldn't want teh job.
THe EPL is currently a product and not a sporting competition, I would like to see that change.
I would love to see that!You know what I'd like to see if we get through all this circus, and manage to stay up this year? the Big man in Nottingham town centre with a microphone singing I did it my way with a silver glitter suit on that would be fucgging awesome
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There are many leagues where it is the big 2 or even the big 1, but yes outside of the cartel 6 or so, your hands are tied.So firstly you are comparing 20 years with the 30 years I quoted (and then accuse me of cherry picking?)
So let us just do a little deeper comparison over two sets of thirty years.
Over the final thirty years of the First Division
13 different teams won the title
14 different teams were runners up
15 different teams finished 3rd
30 years of the EPL
7 different teams have won the title
7 different were runners up
10 different teams have finished third
If you accept that the 'elite' teams are Man C, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs then in the last ten years only one team (Leicester) outside of these elite have finished in the top 3. The same is true of the prior 10 years again only one team outside of the elite finished in the top 3 (Newcastle United).
So apart from those two occasions all instances of a non elite team finishing the top 3 were confined to the first ten years of the EPL.
So tell me that the EPL is competitive.
Oh I don't imagine there is any shortage. A bit like folk willing to pay a couple of hundred quid to see a band who are well past their selling by date at a venue with shit acoustics.But on the same basis there are many who will.
Every fan that gives up a season ticket because of cost will be replaced by one that can afford. There is no shortage of take up.
So like the VAR audio thenAny update on listening to the VAR audio?
It's all gone...ahem...quiet...on that front...
I was listening live, yes he is correct but I had to wait 3hrs of absolute garbage and adverts.Keith Hacketts got our back
Just scrolling on my twitter timeline and people who were properly vexed last week now announcing they've just renewed.Oh I don't imagine there is any shortage. A bit like folk willing to pay a couple of hundred quid to see a band who are well past their selling by date at a venue with shit acoustics.
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I've not really got anything against people who want to renew and have a grumble, it's their money and their choice. I'd hate to think people were getting into debt for it though.Just scrolling on my twitter timeline and people who were properly vexed last week now announcing they've just renewed.
Captive audience. Etc.
I have never understood why, from the outset, VAR was never a live audio to the players and audience like it is in rugby. Communicating transparently throughout.If VAR audio transparency became the norm and we got to hear the decisions as they were being made (or even shortly after), one thing I can definitely guarantee is that it would quickly become far more professional and, by extension, competent.
Because let's face it, the main reason they've not released any audio publicly from the Everton match is almost certainly on account of it being a dumpster fire of ineffectual twattery.
24 hours, but that was because some bloke in a tracksuit with a perm and a ‚tache chucked a bin through the window of PGMOL HQ and nicked it.How long did it take them to get liverpools audio out?
Maybe he took their only tape recorder then and they've had to order a new one.24 hours, but that was because some bloke in a tracksuit with a perm and a ‚tache chucked a bin through the window of PGMOL HQ and nicked it.