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    Default Re: January 2022 Transfer Window

    It’s not impossible that we will be losing our entire right side of the team in January. If offers come in for Worrall and Johnson and Boro recall Spence.
    I wouldn’t be surprised if Villa make a double ‘swoop’ for Joe & Brennan for around the £30m mark.


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    There are persistent rumours that we are in advanced talks with several players from Scandinavia (including Bjorkan, whom I've mentioned more than once, an unnamed CB and an unnamed central midfielder), and it still seems reasonable to assume that joint scouting in the area may involve players for you as well, given that this would fit Murphy's MO and that Scandinavian players should have no trouble adjusting to the Championship.
    The central midfielder is Mohammed Diomandé, 20 years old, from Ivory Coast, playing for Nordsjaelland in Norway for the last year and a half. Very impressive in videos:

    Very impressive in videos, for someone in his first year of professional football.




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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Potential Figueiredo replacement? Seems like we are sniffing around players whose contracts are up in the summer.
    Or more likely Joe.

    Based on his interview with Chippers I'd be very surprised if he was here after January. He basically gave notice that if anyone in the prem wants him hes off....


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Quote Originally Posted by marshal99 View Post
    from what i have read of John Souttar , he has a history with injuries , sounds about right to fit the criteria for a forest signing.
    Ironically he's potentially set for Stoke to replace his brother Harry who is out for the rest of the season.

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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Someone like Souttar would be a Figgy replacement, straight into the centre of a back three.

    If we're looking for a Worrall replacement he needs to be more comfortable on the ball than Souttar, both in passing and carrying out into midfield areas when space allows. We will have other names on our list fit that type of role, Souttar doesn't fit it.

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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Someone like Souttar would be a Figgy replacement, straight into the centre of a back three where the remit is to win headers and not much else.

    If we're looking for a Worrall replacement he needs to be more comfortable on the ball than Souttar, both in passing and carrying out into midfield areas when space allows. We will have other names on our list fit that type of role, Souttar doesn't fit it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    The central midfielder is Mohammed Diomandé, 20 years old, from Ivory Coast, playing for Nordsjaelland in Norway for the last year and a half. Very impressive in videos:

    Very impressive in videos, for someone in his first year of professional football.
    came from the right to dream academy in ghana. one of them - kamaldeen was already sold to rennes for 20 million euros. diomande journey ..




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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Someone like Souttar would be a Figgy replacement, straight into the centre of a back three.

    If we're looking for a Worrall replacement he needs to be more comfortable on the ball than Souttar, both in passing and carrying out into midfield areas when space allows. We will have other names on our list fit that type of role, Souttar doesn't fit it.
    I'd say mbe soh is the worral replacement. It's a shame his injury occurred when he was breaking into the side and we started playing 3 at the back


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Someone like Souttar would be a Figgy replacement, straight into the centre of a back three where the remit is to win headers and not much else.

    If we're looking for a Worrall replacement he needs to be more comfortable on the ball than Souttar, both in passing and carrying out into midfield areas when space allows. We will have other names on our list fit that type of role, Souttar doesn't fit it.
    From what I've seen, Souttar does fit that role. He's far more of a Footballer than a head it & kick it type. Not the tallest either.


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    A relatively inexpensive forward option, like Danny Loader, might be feasible and right type of signing for the FFP books.

    He was part of the SC U17 World Cup winning squad, doesn't have long to run on his current deal and much more importantly will likely have plenty left to prove and scope for improvement.

    Potentially getting more experienced players to rediscover previous form is much harder than taking a relatively inexpensive gamble on a youngster.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jumper View Post
    A relatively inexpensive forward option, like Danny Loader, might be feasible and right type of signing for the FFP books.

    He was part of the SC U17 World Cup winning squad, doesn't have long to run on his current deal and much more importantly will likely have plenty left to prove and scope for improvement.

    Potentially getting more experienced players to rediscover previous form is much harder than taking a relatively inexpensive gamble on a youngster.
    Porto have a two year option on his deal and he just scored his first goal for the first team so I can see them taking it, even if just to get a fee/loan fee from him.


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    I still think this window predominantly needs to be used to set us up for summer so we can plan early, and get players in the door early so they are available for training on the first day of pre-season.

    Players like Taylor, Colback, Figgy and Cafu, maybe Hovarth could be sold for a combined £6m-£8m if we're lucky, maybe closer £3m. We're not going to use any of them for the rest of the season really and they'd be sold in Summer anyway, so lets make those transfers happen now so we're not having to waste time on them in summer when we can have already moved on.

    Obviously we'd need to bring in a striker, but it could just be a cheap six month loan to tide us over. We may also want to try and source a young left back if we can't/don't want to recall Iannou, who's not quite ready for Championship football but might be next season, who can be understudy to Lowe for the rest of the season and learn from him so he's ready for next season.

    A squad in the second half of this season that is something like:

    GK: Samba, Smith
    RB/RWB: Drager, Richardson
    RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
    LCB: McKenna, Harbottle, Fernandes,
    LB/LWB: Lowe, NewYoung
    DM(playmaker): Garner, Fornah, Back
    DM(boxtobox): Yates, Ojeda
    RW/IR: Johnson, Lolley
    LW/IL: Zinks, Mighten
    #10: Carvalho
    ST: Grabban, CheapLoan, Taylor(Dale)

    That assumes Spence returns to Middlesborough, Tutu retires and would leave just Bong and Jenkinson in the bomb squad (who are both out of contract at the end of the year). The only "senior" player not listed is Xande Silva, who I have no idea what we should do with.

    That squad is good enough to tide us over in mid-table to end the of the season, introduces a cohort of new young players who will get valuable experience, reduces the wage bill and allows us to see who of the new players we want to keep for next season having seem how they fare in games.

    By summer you can start to plot a squad of something like:

    GK: Samba, Smith
    RB/RWB: New, Richardson
    RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
    LCB: McKenna, Harbottle, Fernandes
    LB/LWB: New, New
    DM(playmaker): Fornah, Back
    DM(boxtobox): Yates, Ojeda
    RW/IR: Johnson, Lolley
    LW/IL: Mighten, New
    #10: Carvalho
    ST: New, Grabban, Taylor(Dale)

    But by then you've still got the £3m-£7m from January to spend and you've taken Bong and Jenkinson off the wage bill (in addition to those sold in January) so we should have at least some flexibility before we even consider selling Worrall or Johnson for a significant sum to give us even more fire power.

    So, I don't expect a lot of players in in January. We might get a couple of loans in, we might take another risk on a random Paraguyan, but there's not going to be a massive push for new blood to get us up, it's just got to be more considered than that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I still think this window predominantly needs to be used to set us up for summer so we can plan early, and get players in the door early so they are available for training on the first day of pre-season.

    Players like Taylor, Colback, Figgy and Cafu, maybe Hovarth could be sold for a combined £6m-£8m if we're lucky, maybe closer £3m. We're not going to use any of them for the rest of the season really and they'd be sold in Summer anyway, so lets make those transfers happen now so we're not having to waste time on them in summer when we can have already moved on.

    Obviously we'd need to bring in a striker, but it could just be a cheap six month loan to tide us over. We may also want to try and source a young left back if we can't/don't want to recall Iannou, who's not quite ready for Championship football but might be next season, who can be understudy to Lowe for the rest of the season and learn from him so he's ready for next season.

    A squad in the second half of this season that is something like:

    GK: Samba, Smith
    RB/RWB: Drager, Richardson
    RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
    LCB: McKenna, Harbottle, Fernandes,
    LB/LWB: Lowe, NewYoung
    DM(playmaker): Garner, Fornah, Back
    DM(boxtobox): Yates, Ojeda
    RW/IR: Johnson, Lolley
    LW/IL: Zinks, Mighten
    #10: Carvalho
    ST: Grabban, CheapLoan, Taylor(Dale)

    That assumes Spence returns to Middlesborough, Tutu retires and would leave just Bong and Jenkinson in the bomb squad (who are both out of contract at the end of the year). The only "senior" player not listed is Xande Silva, who I have no idea what we should do with.

    That squad is good enough to tide us over in mid-table to end the of the season, introduces a cohort of new young players who will get valuable experience, reduces the wage bill and allows us to see who of the new players we want to keep for next season having seem how they fare in games.

    By summer you can start to plot a squad of something like:

    GK: Samba, Smith
    RB/RWB: New, Richardson
    RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
    LCB: McKenna, Harbottle, Fernandes
    LB/LWB: New, New
    DM(playmaker): Fornah, Back
    DM(boxtobox): Yates, Ojeda
    RW/IR: Johnson, Lolley
    LW/IL: Mighten, New
    #10: Carvalho
    ST: New, Grabban, Taylor(Dale)

    But by then you've still got the £3m-£7m from January to spend and you've taken Bong and Jenkinson off the wage bill (in addition to those sold in January) so we should have at least some flexibility before we even consider selling Worrall or Johnson for a significant sum to give us even more fire power.

    So, I don't expect a lot of players in in January. We might get a couple of loans in, we might take another risk on a random Paraguyan, but there's not going to be a massive push for new blood to get us up, it's just got to be more considered than that.
    I don’t think we’d even get 2m from selling the players you suggest and that’s not worth gutting a whole load of our squad depth for the second half of the season in my opinion.

    Also, we’re not going to use Colback? He’s been excellent recently and Cooper has been singing his praises. Weird thought that we should get rid because we won’t use him.

    Pretty risky to be relying on Mbe Soh and kids as our only alternatives to Worrall and McKenna too, this season or next. LMS hasn’t proven that he can stay fit for more than about 2 months, even when playing rarely.

    The most important thing about January is that we don’t lumber ourselves with expensive mistakes like we did with Bong, just when it looks like we will be finally shedding a load of bloated wage bill in the summer.

    If we are going to sign another South American, I’d do it in January so he can hit the ground running next season.

    Otherwise, I wouldn’t do a huge amount. Probably try and pinch Buchanan from Derby on the cheap so we never have to see Bong again and with an eye ln next year. Give Drager a chance if Djed goes back. Maybe chance our arm with a 2m bid on a player who is out of contract in the summer, or use the last loan slot on a try before you buy type loan of a forward (Maja or Suzuki?) but we’re not desperate for numbers I don’t think.

    Next summer we could conceivably pay quite big wages for two full-backs and a striker, just by letting Bong, Grabban and Jenkinson go. I’d say they are the three main areas of concern at the moment.


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    I added Colback in to my list as an edit, so yeah I agree he will still be used but I do think we could look to ship him out in January as for me at least he's not any better than Yates, Garner and, from the very short amount of what we've seen of them, Ojeda and Fornah too, and you know he's going to be on 4x all of their wages.

    Anyway, it's less about individual names and more about the wider picture of streamlining so that we can be razor focused on what we want in summer rather than panicking and bringing in make do's late on in the window like we did this year. If Cooper wants Colback fine, who am I to judge?


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Following players are out of contract in 2022, are of sufficient quality to improve on what Forest have (either in first team, or squad), all have 7+ years of their career left and all should be within realistic wage expectations:

    - Lee Buchanan (Derby, Left Back)
    - Jed Wallace (Millwall, Winger)
    - John Swift (Reading, Centre Midfield)
    - Alfie Mawson (Fulham, Centre Back)
    - Ben Osborn (Sheff Utd, Multiple)
    - Simon Sluga (Luton, GK)
    - James Bree (Luton, Right Back)
    - Harry Toffolo (Huddersfield, Left Back)
    - Joe Rothwell (Blackburn, Centre Midfield)
    - Yan Dhanda (Swansea, Attacking Midfield)
    - Jarrad Braithwaite (Everton, Centre Back)
    - Ben Johnson (West Ham, Right Back)

    Wonder if Coops will try for Dhanda given we sometimes play 4-2-3-1 and he's choosing to play a winger (Zink or Lolley) in the #10 slot.


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    I know I keep mentioning it and the chances of it happening are very unlikely, but i'd love it if we could some how get Daryl Dike


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Following players are out of contract in 2022, are of sufficient quality to improve on what Forest have (either in first team, or squad), all have 7+ years of their career left and all should be within realistic wage expectations:

    - Lee Buchanan (Derby, Left Back)
    - Jed Wallace (Millwall, Winger)
    - John Swift (Reading, Centre Midfield)
    - Alfie Mawson (Fulham, Centre Back)
    - Ben Osborn (Sheff Utd, Multiple)
    - Simon Sluga (Luton, GK)
    - James Bree (Luton, Right Back)
    - Harry Toffolo (Huddersfield, Left Back)
    - Joe Rothwell (Blackburn, Centre Midfield)
    - Yan Dhanda (Swansea, Attacking Midfield)
    - Jarrad Braithwaite (Everton, Centre Back)
    - Ben Johnson (West Ham, Right Back)

    Wonder if Coops will try for Dhanda given we sometimes play 4-2-3-1 and he's choosing to play a winger (Zink or Lolley) in the #10 slot.
    Sluga is terrible.

    I think Swift will go to the PL and Ben Johnson is keeping Coufal out of the team so he’s not going anywhere soon.

    But I think we could get Buchanan and Wallace and wouldn’t be averse to Osborn coming back either.


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    Default Re: Winter 2022 Transfer Window

    Ryan Ledson isn't getting much of a look in at PNE right now. Would definitely take a look at him as a long term replacement for Garner in CM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    The Greek press again talks about our interest in Bodø/Glimt's Bjorkan. Celtic and a couple of Turkish clubs are apparently also very interested.

    There's a Portugueuse website specializing in Scandinavian football; earlier this year they raved about young Bjorkan: https://www.malmagazine.pt/2021/02/fredrik-bjrkan.html
    He signed for Herta.


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    Seems we are going in for John Souttar again

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    Would be very happy with him. We need more numbers in that position regardless, all the backups & Tobias always seem to be injured. If we play a back 3 going forward we are gonna need bodies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Following players are out of contract in 2022, are of sufficient quality to improve on what Forest have (either in first team, or squad), all have 7+ years of their career left and all should be within realistic wage expectations:

    - Lee Buchanan (Derby, Left Back)
    - Jed Wallace (Millwall, Winger)
    - John Swift (Reading, Centre Midfield)
    - Alfie Mawson (Fulham, Centre Back)
    - Ben Osborn (Sheff Utd, Multiple)
    - Simon Sluga (Luton, GK)
    - James Bree (Luton, Right Back)
    - Harry Toffolo (Huddersfield, Left Back)
    - Joe Rothwell (Blackburn, Centre Midfield)
    - Yan Dhanda (Swansea, Attacking Midfield)
    - Jarrad Braithwaite (Everton, Centre Back)
    - Ben Johnson (West Ham, Right Back)

    Wonder if Coops will try for Dhanda given we sometimes play 4-2-3-1 and he's choosing to play a winger (Zink or Lolley) in the #10 slot.
    I would love Braithwaite as a CB option.

    He has not many games under his belt so could be a good time to get in before others do. He is on the brink of the Everton first team. If he's willing to leave them it will tell you he wants guarenteed game time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Seems we are going in for John Souttar again



    Would be very happy with him. We need more numbers in that position regardless, all the backups & Tobias always seem to be injured. If we play a back 3 going forward we are gonna need bodies.
    Dare I say I think it is more of a Joe Worrall replacement than anything else? Loads of paper talk suggesting Worrall can go for £10m and plenty of Premier League clubs are interested. I assume that sort of cash would open the cheque book to make several signings (Spence & Lowe?).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Djed the Red View Post
    Dare I say I think it is more of a Joe Worrall replacement than anything else? Loads of paper talk suggesting Worrall can go for £10m and plenty of Premier League clubs are interested. I assume that sort of cash would open the cheque book to make several signings (Spence & Lowe?).
    Maybe he is but we need another CB regardless of whether Worrall leaves or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Maybe he is but we need another CB regardless of whether Worrall leaves or not.
    Maybe.

    We have Worrall, McKenna, Figueiredo, who are the ones currently in the team. We also have Mbe Soh who has been injured much of the season but we know he is good when he is given the chance to play, and Ely who has been injured since joining.

    Then looking at the academy players, Fernandes and Harbottle played in the league cup, and though it was Bradford and not this division, didn't do too badly, I think James Clarridge is 17 now, which is not too far off the age Dawson and Worrall were when getting first appearances in the squad so it may be that if he is as highly rated as people say then he might get involvement in the squad. With the issues around Colback and Lowe I think Aaron Donnelly (1 also got in the squad at the weekend, but didn't get as far as the bench.

    If you're looking at dire emergency situations then Yates would probably do a temp job there and Garner started as a CB at Man U (but is probably a bit on the small side).

    I would agree that - if at least one of Baba Fernandes, Riley Harbottle or James Clarridge wasn't ready to make the step up to the first team squad in the next year, and that Mbe Soh and Ely are going to have persistent injury problems rather than what seems to be a single injury they're taking a while to get over, then we will need an additional first team centre back. At present we only have 3 fit and like to play 3 so that is no cover for loss of form, injury or suspension.

    If one leaves then they will need to be replaced - I don't expect Worrall will be here in 18 months. He has to take the PL interest as you only need to see what happened when Mings and Maguire came out of the EFL and had runs in PL clubs. If he isn't going to get promoted here then he is good enough to be in the PL, is being targeted by PL sides, and much as he loves Forest should put his career first. (Burnley do look like they could go down this year though). In actual fact McKenna probably isn't as far off Worrall's level and could probably do likewise but is already in the Scotland squad so isn't going to be held back at international level by not being in the PL as much. I'm not sure when Toby is out of contract but not sure it should be renewed so we'd need a replacement when he is.

    It's probably a player we need cover for not the top priority which I'd say would be LB. Bong is not good enough for us, Lowe isn't ours, and is out injured, Tutu is a biscuit and Colback isn't the answer. Unless there is an answer from the academy (Richardson is a RB I think) such as Donnelly, then at least getting cover until Lowe is fit again is the key thing, then working out what to do in the summer.

    We also need to find a long term replacement for Grabban, Ability or age wise Lyle Taylor isn't the answer, and though players who don't need pace can play on later, Grabban is now at the age where his performances, fitness, etc will probably start to tail off a bit. Not sure this answer would include Swan, Larsson or Dale Taylor given they're young, we need a more experienced player and for them to learn as cover before taking over if they are good enough.


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    I've mentioned a few times how much I'd like Jed Wallace and just watching the EFL show he's instrumental in everything they do. He's exactly the type of player we need, creative, good quality, good delivery and end product. I'm sure he's out of contract in the summer so if I were Forest I'd be looking to go and get an agreement done with him in January

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