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  1. #926
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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Isn't it a club record for a manager though ?
    Probably. But when you factor in inflation of the transfer market, it’s probably less than the 300k we paid Pompey for -shudder- Cotterill.

    Anyway, if it works out, it’s peanuts. I’m sure we’ve paid out millions to sacked managers in the last ten years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Trents View Post
    Just had a read of The athletic article linked there. An extract:

    "The idea is that they no longer invest money in players who, while experienced, will only decrease in value from the moment they arrive. They want a group of players who will grow together in quality and value."

    I can get on board that train.
    A recognition that we are even more skint than Derby and don't want to end up where they are. We need to start cutting our cloth accordingly.

    Brentford have shown that it is possible to be promoted whilst keeping wage costs relatively low and by generating extra income through player sales.

    THE TRUTH IS THERE AND WITH IT I GO TO THE END OF THE WORLD .

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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    The more I think about this appointment the more I like it. Got a good feeling about it.

    He's a young and ambitious manager with a good record in this league, who will fit in with the club's structure a lot better, and, hopefully, attempt to play some decent football.

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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

    „Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.”

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    Default Re: As yet unappointed Manager #50

    Breakdown and key points of Dan Taylor and Paul Taylor's Athletic article this morning:

    - Murphy front and centre of the process.

    - Club got serious about replacing Hughton after the loss to Blackburn.

    - Shortlist had at least two overseas names as well as Cooper (Terry and Wilder never on the list).

    - Three things about Cooper stood out to Murphy (and Forest), the first was overachievement; "Forest’s analytical approach led them to regard Cooper as someone who led a Swansea squad not too different in quality to the one that struggled last term under Lamouchi and Hughton to the Championship play-offs in both his seasons in charge". Second was his experience working with younger players. Finally "After succeeding now-Brighton manager Graham Potter at Swansea in 2019, Cooper found a way to get the best out of a group of players who had previously been on a downward trajectory, following relegation from the Premier League a year before. Utilising contacts he had built in his previous role with the FA, Swansea secured the loan signings of players including Rhian Brewster, Marc Guehi and Conor Gallagher, who all played under him in those England age-group sides."

    - Whilst at Swansea Cooper used his contacts to arrange a Zoom meeting between Southgate and Swansea captain Matt Grimes "He felt the midfielder would benefit from an in-depth discussion about the nature of leadership."

    - Had a good relationship with the CEO who appointed him at Swansea, Trevor Birch. Failed to form the same bond with Birch's replacement Julian Winter, which culminated in him leaving Swansea.

    - "Over the course of Cooper’s two seasons in charge, Swansea kept a Championship-best 35 clean sheets and conceded the fewest goals (15) from set pieces. They played the second-least long-balls in the division under him, while registering the second-highest pass total overall. They also played the second-most passes into the final third of the pitch and scored the fifth-most goals (120). "

    - Cooper's job title at Forest won't be manager it will be head coach.

    - "He is still expected to have a say on transfers — possibly even the final say — but the recruitment team will generally oversee exactly that, while working alongside the head coach."

    - Steven Reid expected to stay on as part of Cooper's team.

    - "Crucially, Cooper is understood to be excited about what this new-look staff can achieve together, having held extensive discussions with Murphy in particular about the way forward."

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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    The more I think about this appointment the more I like it. Got a good feeling about it.

    He's a young and ambitious manager with a good record in this league, who will fit in with the club's structure a lot better, and, hopefully, attempt to play some decent football.

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    Same here, I was quite against it initially but now after a few days to let it settle I think he is a great fit for the job.

    The Swansea fans saying his football is shit got to me I think, it’s easy to forget they’ve been playing good stuff for about a decade, so what’s shit for them will probably be alright for us lol.


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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    "They're a deluded lot for expecting Cooper would give them the time of day, he did an excellent job under actually quite difficult circumstances at Swansea that don't get factored in in the discussion of him. His next job will be in the premier league or a team aiming to get there in short order, and he can afford to bide his time about it. Forest are a shitshow and need to clean themselves up before any of the potential managers their fans think they're entitled to will even consider them"

    Huddersfield Town fan 18/09/2021

    What a nob!


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    Default Re: As yet unappointed Manager #50

    Glad to see he's head coach. I hope the owners stick to that model from now on. No more chopping and changing please Forest.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heffing Psycho! View Post
    Breakdown and key points of Dan Taylor and Paul Taylor's Athletic article this morning:

    - Murphy front and centre of the process.

    - Club got serious about replacing Hughton after the loss to Blackburn.

    - Shortlist had at least two overseas names as well as Cooper (Terry and Wilder never on the list).

    - Three things about Cooper stood out to Murphy (and Forest), the first was overachievement; "Forest’s analytical approach led them to regard Cooper as someone who led a Swansea squad not too different in quality to the one that struggled last term under Lamouchi and Hughton to the Championship play-offs in both his seasons in charge". Second was his experience working with younger players. Finally "After succeeding now-Brighton manager Graham Potter at Swansea in 2019, Cooper found a way to get the best out of a group of players who had previously been on a downward trajectory, following relegation from the Premier League a year before. Utilising contacts he had built in his previous role with the FA, Swansea secured the loan signings of players including Rhian Brewster, Marc Guehi and Conor Gallagher, who all played under him in those England age-group sides."

    - Whilst at Swansea Cooper used his contacts to arrange a Zoom meeting between Southgate and Swansea captain Matt Grimes "He felt the midfielder would benefit from an in-depth discussion about the nature of leadership."

    - Had a good relationship with the CEO who appointed him at Swansea, Trevor Birch. Failed to form the same bond with Birch's replacement Julian Winter, which culminated in him leaving Swansea.

    - "Over the course of Cooper’s two seasons in charge, Swansea kept a Championship-best 35 clean sheets and conceded the fewest goals (15) from set pieces. They played the second-least long-balls in the division under him, while registering the second-highest pass total overall. They also played the second-most passes into the final third of the pitch and scored the fifth-most goals (120). "

    - Cooper's job title at Forest won't be manager it will be head coach.

    - "He is still expected to have a say on transfers — possibly even the final say — but the recruitment team will generally oversee exactly that, while working alongside the head coach."

    - Steven Reid expected to stay on as part of Cooper's team.

    - "Crucially, Cooper is understood to be excited about what this new-look staff can achieve together, having held extensive discussions with Murphy in particular about the way forward."
    Nice one for that, sounds like we've finally thought one through from top to bottom.

    The only contention for me is the paralell between squad strengths at Swansea & Forest. I think Lowe & Spence make that balance more favourable though.

    Exciting times.


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    Is this it ?

    That new dawn we have all been waiting for ? We will remember this moment for the rest of our lives or will it become just another forgettable managerial appointment like all the others

    Time will tell I suppose


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    Exactly the reasons why Cooper was the name i've been suggesting, very good fit for not only our present situation but also the direction we're working towards moving forwards. Not expecting miracles over night (as should nobody) but this appointment gives me a lot of hope for the future of our club, the new style of operation will undoubtedly benefit us long term but it might just require some patience from us fans in the short term

    Murphy in charge of operations, Cooper as head coach with 2 of his men alongside him working with the team, Joyce working with our next generation, Brazil managing our academy and a strong team of reputable analysts that will be heavily utilized by Cooper. Numerous roles behind the scenes that deserve credit and will also have a massive part to play in our new setup but these are the notable foundations and something I personally look forward to


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Hilarious how people are so anti Yates that they just casually drop in that certain systems will probably mean Fornah here or there but Yates nowhere.
    I'm about as pro-Yates as they come.

    The side and central midfield need balance. Going into next season currently we have two box-to-box players in Yates and Ojeda and one playmaker in Fornah.

    That will change obviously but I highly doubt at any point we'll see Ojeda next to Yates if it's a 4 man midfield.

    30/09/2021: It's only 8 points to the play-offs. Doesn't matter if we're 20th having lost three times as many games as we've won so far. I fancy us now that Hughton's gone.

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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Yes, I think so too. Clearly well liked by the players, and his knowledge of the current squad should make the transition from Hughton to Cooper a bit smoother.


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    Default Re: Wudja/Wuntya? - Steve Cooper

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Yes, I think so too. Clearly well liked by the players, and his knowledge of the current squad should make the transition from Hughton to Cooper a bit smoother.
    If the story about Cooper taking input from players in training about how to setup for games and what they think they should do is true then you would imagine he would only embrace that from Reid and want him here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    A recognition that we are even more skint than Derby and don't want to end up where they are. We need to start cutting our cloth accordingly.
    Not necessarily.

    Perhaps a greater recognition that we cannot compete against parachute payment clubs for "experienced quality" because we can drop £50m+ on players but it won't be enough to have a better squad than the likes Fulham, WBA etc have..

    .. So we need to compete in a different way. Like you say Brentford have shown it is possible by a mixture of data analysis, a constant tactical approach and like-for-like replacements when players or managers leave - the combination of which yields overperformance and consistency which, given enough time - ie, multiple seasons - will eventually result in a promotion.

    We should have gone down this path when the Greeks first came in and Warburton was at the helm. As someone who's previously worked in investment banking (which is frankly just data analysis) he would have embraced the idea of a young, cheap, overperforming side. As expected with the Karanka £25m, it wasn't enough, nowhere near enough, to make us real contenders.

    Oh well, better late than never. Here's to hoping we're the next Brentford.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post

    We should have gone down this path when the Greeks first came in and Warburton was at the helm. As someone who's previously worked in investment banking (which is frankly just data analysis) he would have embraced the idea of a young, cheap, overperforming side. As expected with the Karanka £25m, it wasn't enough, nowhere near enough, to make us real contenders.

    Oh well, better late than never. Here's to hoping we're the next Brentford.
    This in droves.

    Go back and replace the term "Ambition" with "Fuckwittery" and the posts from the AK era make a lot more sense.


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    I think that should do it. Let's have everything in the one place now it's confirmed.


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    Welcome to Forest Steve Cooper.

    Good luck! You are going to need it! Most of us unqualified amateurs know a lot more about football management from sitting in the stands and watching on the radio than you ever will do with your coaching qualifications, so you'll need to be on your toes and get it right every time.


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    Default Re: Manager #50. Steve Cooper

    Very happy, now let's get to work


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    Default Re: As yet unappointed Manager #50

    It all sounds good on paper, although the one thing no one has talked about is Swansea continually selling off its young talent which is something I really would rather not see…

    All we can do is wish him well, cross our fingers and have a little patience.
    Sooner or later something has to stick and one thing I know is that this club has a huge and passionate supporter base so the guy who gets it right is going to feel that-a full and supportive city ground is worth a fair few points…


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    Default Re: Manager #50. Steve Cooper

    Dane Murphy, Nottingham Forest Chief Executive, said: “Steve was our first choice as head coach and we are delighted to have secured his services. His record of developing young talent is exceptional.

    “Steve knows what is required to be successful in the Championship and has a proven track record with Swansea.

    “We have reduced the age of our squad over the summer and Steve is the ideal coach to blend a team to start moving us up the table.

    “On behalf of the owner and the Board, we welcome Steve to the club and look forward to providing every support he needs to be a success at Nottingham Forest”.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Not necessarily.

    Perhaps a greater recognition that we cannot compete against parachute payment clubs for "experienced quality" because we can drop £50m+ on players but it won't be enough to have a better squad than the likes Fulham, WBA etc have..

    .. So we need to compete in a different way. Like you say Brentford have shown it is possible by a mixture of data analysis, a constant tactical approach and like-for-like replacements when players or managers leave - the combination of which yields overperformance and consistency which, given enough time - ie, multiple seasons - will eventually result in a promotion.

    We should have gone down this path when the Greeks first came in and Warburton was at the helm. As someone who's previously worked in investment banking (which is frankly just data analysis) he would have embraced the idea of a young, cheap, overperforming side. As expected with the Karanka £25m, it wasn't enough, nowhere near enough, to make us real contenders.

    Oh well, better late than never. Here's to hoping we're the next Brentford.
    The only good thing about Warburton's tenure was the day he was sacked, but he was also a manager rather than a coach, with his clueless mate heading up recruitment. So that would have been very different from the proposed approach with Cooper.

    I do agree, the new owners should have followed Brentford's lead by ditching Warburton and bringing in a modern stats based recruitment approach with a first team coach model.

    The thing about Brentford is that their top six finishes haven't been one off outliers in a 'lucky' season when everything went well. They have sold star players season after season whilst maintaining a promotion challenge year after year. It isn't luck that has got them up, it's a clear intelligent strategy and good leadership throughout the club.

    We could do that.


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    Default Re: As yet unappointed Manager #50

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I'm about as pro-Yates as they come.

    The side and central midfield need balance. Going into next season currently we have two box-to-box players in Yates and Ojeda and one playmaker in Fornah.

    That will change obviously but I highly doubt at any point we'll see Ojeda next to Yates if it's a 4 man midfield.
    I mean, we don’t know what formation Cooper will play here (he played 3-5-2 and 3-4-3 a lot last year) and Ojeda has not played a game for us yet, but sure.


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