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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Fair dues, it does put things into perspective.
    Aye. Scary stuff seeing that happen to a young, fit thriving bloke with his whole life ahead of him. Poor sod.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heffing Psycho! View Post
    Impeccable timing by the post to release this article on Twitter just as the incident with Eriksen happened but nonetheless candidate for the new CEO, current CEO of Barnsley Dane Murphy:

    https://twitter.com/NFFC_live/status...114315780?s=20
    Their management hiring policy has been spectacular since Heckingbottom left. Morais was a dud, but Stendel, Struber and Ishmael have been outstanding managers getting huge returns from a very low cost squad.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Their management hiring policy has been spectacular since Heckingbottom left. Morais was a dud, but Stendel, Struber and Ishmael have been outstanding managers getting huge returns from a very low cost squad.
    I am envious I have to say.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Heffing Psycho! View Post
    Impeccable timing by the post to release this article on Twitter just as the incident with Eriksen happened but nonetheless candidate for the new CEO, current CEO of Barnsley Dane Murphy:

    https://twitter.com/NFFC_live/status...114315780?s=20
    There's something I don't understand here. Chris Brass is supposedly taking over at a level above mere scouting; Syrianos is also part of the scouting team as an analyst; Dane Murphy looks also to be heavily involved in recruitment. OK, all this reinforcement of the football department looks good on paper, but who's the money man? At Barnsley, I see that Murphy may well have the title of CEO, but has a financial director next to him, and a board of directors which looks like a real board (two chairmen, four directors) above him.

    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    There's something I don't understand here. Chris Brass is supposedly taking over at a level above mere scouting; Syrianos is also part of the scouting team as an analyst; Dane Murphy looks also to be heavily involved in recruitment. OK, all this reinforcement of the football department looks good on paper, but who's the money man? At Barnsley, I see that Murphy may well have the title of CEO, but has a financial director next to him, and a board of directors which looks like a real board (two chairmen, four directors) above him.

    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.
    Is this the exact type of scenario where Ioannis can flourish? Getting deals done, bills paid on time, organising the functional stuff?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Is this the exact type of scenario where Ioannis can flourish? Getting deals done, bills paid on time, organising the functional stuff?
    If you lock him out of the football department and throw away the key, sure.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    Sorry chap, my radar's off tonight. THe near-death in the Denmark game has thrown all things into a more serious mood.
    I must confess I was all at sixes and sevens last night, too.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    There's something I don't understand here. Chris Brass is supposedly taking over at a level above mere scouting; Syrianos is also part of the scouting team as an analyst; Dane Murphy looks also to be heavily involved in recruitment. OK, all this reinforcement of the football department looks good on paper, but who's the money man? At Barnsley, I see that Murphy may well have the title of CEO, but has a financial director next to him, and a board of directors which looks like a real board (two chairmen, four directors) above him.

    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.
    Interesting observation.


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    Barnsley fans singing his praises and then comes the ridicule of why Forest.

    http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/dan...forest.305359/

    Good too see our reputation precedes us.


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    A bunch of Yorkshire folk who don’t like Nottingham Forest? I’m so surprised.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    There's something I don't understand here. Chris Brass is supposedly taking over at a level above mere scouting; Syrianos is also part of the scouting team as an analyst; Dane Murphy looks also to be heavily involved in recruitment. OK, all this reinforcement of the football department looks good on paper, but who's the money man? At Barnsley, I see that Murphy may well have the title of CEO, but has a financial director next to him, and a board of directors which looks like a real board (two chairmen, four directors) above him.

    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.
    I would suggest that maybe that has been the problem in the past.

    Maybe all these positions were attempted to be filled by one person trying to oversee everything without the expertise to do so.

    Perhaps CH has gone in and said. Instead of wasting monies on large player salaries who are not needed. Instead if you put some salaries into a good recruitment set up it could save money in the long run. The footballing side of the set up had too many players for a Manager to operate effectively with. A good well funded recruitment set up can be cost effective in making financial cuts elsewhere if run in conjunction with the Manager and coaches on the playing side


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    Quote Originally Posted by NooForest View Post
    I would suggest that maybe that has been the problem in the past.

    Maybe all these positions were attempted to be filled by one person trying to oversee everything without the expertise to do so.

    Perhaps CH has gone in and said. Instead of wasting monies on large player salaries who are not needed. Instead if you put some salaries into a good recruitment set up it could save money in the long run. The footballing side of the set up had too many players for a Manager to operate effectively with. A good well funded recruitment set up can be cost effective in making financial cuts elsewhere if run in conjunction with the Manager and coaches on the playing side
    Not only that, competent recruiters identify players whose value could actually increase, and thus can be sold on for a decent profit.

    Forest have been woeful at that in recent seasons, bar a couple of exceptions like Antonio and Cash.

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    I would imagine they would like to get this done so we can start making official transfer bids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.
    I'd like to hope EM is looking at changes in how things work. Because so far his approach has had a pretty negative impact on how things are on the pitch.

    This isn't Olympiakos and it's not the Greek League, it's different, adapt or fail.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I find it very hard to believe that EM will hand over the keys of the store to a 35-year-old whose main expertise seems to be recruitment. Therefore, whatever the title of this Murphy is, there will also be a money man above him.
    I think thats sensible if EM does that. For me Vrentzos has been a very good financial officer and shown great professionalism just the way he organises the club for footballing recruitment and decisions has been very poor.

    I know he has taken a step back but my preference would be a joint CEO position one a Financial CEO and one a Football CEO who have separate remits. I think EM would probably think something similar and I agree with you I cant see EM a very good businessman give control of the financial side to an CEO whose skills are football decisions.


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    Arguably last season was a watershed moment.

    https://twitter.com/nottmtails/statu...535650817?s=20




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    If this happens then big Kudos to EM for not resting on his hardys.

    Very positive that we're sorting this first rather than rushing in on transfers without a man & plan behind the finances for them, like we essentially have the play few years.

    Fingers crossed


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    PT must be reasonably confident about this for him to step-forward with it. We just need John Percy to comment similarly.


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    This bloke will presumably know what Barnsley have offered Mowatt. Double it please.


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    Good article, says a lot of the right things.

    Key points for those without the Athletic:

    - Vrentzos has now informed colleagues he intends to return to Athens, Forest hoping to have his successor in place early next month, Marinakis has identified Murphy as the man he would like to take over.

    - Vrentzos, who has been involved in choosing his own replacement, has been impressed by Murphy’s track record at Barnsley, particularly when it comes to recruitment.

    - Murphy is a former midfielder who played for DC United, VfL Osnabruck and New York Cosmos and developed an interest throughout his career in data research and the business side of the industry.

    - After retiring as a player in 2015, he became head scout in New York, before taking on the role of technical director at Real Salt Lake — a position he more recently also held at DC United.

    - The plan now is to offer Murphy, regarded in the football industry as a skilled negotiator with an astute football brain, the freedom to stamp his own vision at the City Ground.

    - Barnsley's owners own several clubs across Europe and the clubs share a specific approach to the game, deploying a high press, while relying on a data-driven approach to recruitment.

    - At Barnsley, the focus has been on signing young players, more specifically under the age of 25 — the club has shied away from paying fees for anyone over the age of 24. Inside Forest, they recognise that they, too, need to sign younger players who could potentially go up in value, having too often paid high salaries to older players and put them on big contracts.

    - The appointment of analytics expert Syrianos suggests Forest are ready to embrace a more data-driven outlook themselves and while the impact of the COVID shutdown — as it will with many clubs — will ensure that Forest’s spending is careful and measured this summer.

    - Murphy’s background at Barnsley will help him on this front as well, as will the knowledge of Brass, who oversaw the signing of players like Kieffer Moore, Jamal Lowe, Joe Williams and Antonee Robinson, who all made a big impact at Wigan.


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    Really great news. So glad we are thinking outside the box. I know a decent amount about how Barnsley operate.

    Barnsley fans in general have loved a moan about their owners over the years - the policies he had in place have taken a fair bit of crisitsm in the past. They had a no over-25's policy for a long while, which they changed in recent years as it was very stubborn and really did hurt them in some games. They also don't take any other clubs players on loan unless they are buying them because "they are developing other clubs players". They have hardly spent much money at all over the years either, but it sort of all came together this season and all the groundwork they put in paid off.

    How much of this is down to Murphy opposed to the board at Barnsley I dunno. It could also be a reason why Murphy would come here - we have a rich owner wanting to invest his money, if you have data on players that are just out of your reach because the club won't spend any money it must get frustrating. For example, they really did take a punt on Daryl Dike financially (even as a loan) and it really paid off - I wonder what he could oversee with financial clout.

    I don't think he will be coming here to do the same job he did at Barnsley, I think he will be doing a similar role but with more ambition. But one thing is certain with Murphy, he is really really really good at picking managers, and good managers make all your signings seem better even if they are rubbish.


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    It's also funny because Barnsley seem to have been the bane of Vrentzos & Marinakis' existance recently. If you can't beat them, sign them


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    Summat's gotta change, recruitement in the main as been less than piss poor.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    It's also funny because Barnsley seem to have been the bane of Vrentzos & Marinakis' existance recently. If you can't beat them, sign them
    So it's not so different from the Forest strategy over the years only this time it's Executives we're signing as opposed to players who have performed well against us.


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    This feels like a breath of fresh air. We've been crying out for a strategic approach that starts with good systems, good habits, good processes. Instead we've had year after year of knee-jerk reactions and fanciful notions. It's not sexy signings but recruiting the recruiters is an absolutely vital first step.
    It also shows a bit of necessary humility. Forget the "we are Forest" shit and look at what better-run clubs have been doing -- and if necessary steal the people who have been doing it.


 

 

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