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    Default The European Super League thread

    So we dont clutter up other threads, lets have a single thread for this proposed Super League; Pros, cons, yes, no, is it all greed, or the salvation of football?

    In terms of the money, heres a good place to start:

    https://twitter.com/james_corbett/st...272217088?s=21

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    Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.

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    Default The European Super League thread

    Gary Nevilles opinion, for anyone who hasnt seen it:

    https://twitter.com/skysports/status...755889664?s=21


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    Default Re: The European Super League thread

    This is fast becoming a Monty Python sketch. Unbelievable. These people should be banned from sports for life.


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    Default Re: The European Super League thread

    And a quick explainer as to how it is supposed to work:

    https://www.theguardian.com/football...box=1618795974


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    Default Re: The European Super League thread

    I added a poll for your voting enjoyment.


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    From the Super League website:
    Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new mid-week competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.

    AC Milan, Arsenal FC, Atltico de Madrid, Chelsea FC, FC Barcelona, FC Internazionale Milano, Juventus FC, Liverpool FC, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid CF and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as Founding Clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

    Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.

    The formation of the Super League comes at a time when the global pandemic has accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model. Further, for a number of years, the Founding Clubs have had the objective of improving the quality and intensity of existing European competitions throughout each season, and of creating a format for top clubs and players to compete on a regular basis.

    The pandemic has shown that a strategic vision and a sustainable commercial approach are required to enhance value and support for the benefit of the entire European football pyramid. In recent months extensive dialogue has taken place with football stakeholders regarding the future format of European competitions. The Founding Clubs believe the solutions proposed following these talks do not solve fundamental issues, including the need to provide higher-quality matches and additional financial resources for the overall football pyramid.

    Competition Format
    20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.
    Midweek fixtures with all participating clubs continuing to compete in their respective national leagues, preserving the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game.
    An August start with clubs participating in two groups of ten, playing home and away fixtures, with the top three in each group automatically qualifying for the quarter finals. Teams finishing fourth and fifth will then compete in a two-legged play-off for the remaining quarter-final positions. A two-leg knockout format will be used to reach the final at the end of May, which will be staged as a single fixture at a neutral venue.
    As soon as practicable after the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.

    The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments will be substantially higher than those generated by the current European competition and are expected to be in excess of €10 billion during the course of the initial commitment period of the Clubs. In addition, the competition will be built on a sustainable financial foundation with all Founding Clubs signing up to a spending framework. In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.

    Florentino Prez, President Real Madrid CF and the first Chairman of the Super League said:

    “We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.”

    Backing the new European league, Andrea Agnelli, Chairman of Juventus and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said:

    “Our 12 Founder clubs represent billions of fans across the globe and 99 European trophies. We have come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future, substantially increasing solidarity, and giving fans and amateur players a regular flow of headline fixtures that will feed their passion for the game while providing them with engaging role models.”

    Joel Glazer, Co-Chairman of Manchester United and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said:

    “By bringing together the world’s greatest clubs and players to play each other throughout the season, the Super League will open a new chapter for European football, ensuring world-class competition and facilities, and increased financial support for the wider football pyramid.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    From the Super League website:
    The astonishing thing here is how they have the balls to pitch it as being done for the benefit of the wider football pyramid whilst talking about splitting 3.5 billion between a handful of teams. The claim that it will create money is false because it’s about to devalue every other club and league competition in Europe.

    To remove the idea of being able to dream about your club riding up from the game, is to attack its most core principle. This will be a league without drama, hope, integrity or merit. They can see this but they are motivated purely by greed.

    A great part of the appeal of seeing the big clubs drawn together in the Champions League is that it doesn’t happen every year so it’s not routine. With no element of danger from being knocked out or relegated what’s the allure of the same teams playing each other in glorified exhibition matches each season? Tough to see it as anything other than a cash grab for the attention of Far East fans.

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    Default Re: The European Super League thread

    They should start their own teams and if players wish to join them, so be it. A bit like the IPL or whatever. Just leave our game, clubs and history alone.


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    American owners don’t understand that the ‘jeopardy’ of not qualifying or relegation is a key ingredient in what makes a football competition exciting. They don’t get our football culture and never did.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    American owners don’t understand that the ‘jeopardy’ of not qualifying or relegation is a key ingredient in what makes a football competition exciting. They don’t get our football culture and never did.
    This isn't about American owners. Many of the 15 have owners from elsewhere in the world.

    This is about locking-in competitive advtange to dominate the money flow in the game.

    Making it about nationalities and cultures is a mistake to avoid.

    Focus on the money and why they want a closed competition.

    EXACT SAME BENEFITS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    This isn't about American owners. Many of the 15 have owners from elsewhere in the world.

    This is about locking-in competitive advtange to dominate the money flow in the game.

    Making it about nationalities and cultures is a mistake to avoid.

    Focus on the money and why they want a closed competition.
    I’ll focus on what I want thanks.

    Having spent plenty of time in the US and years of interest in their sport, it seems to me that some of this is driven by cultural difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Ill focus on what I want thanks.

    Having spent plenty of time in the US and years of interest in their sport, it seems to me that some of this is driven by cultural difference.
    Youre right. I too have spent a bit of time in the US and have an interest in their Sports - this concept is exactly The American blueprint; a closed League, no Relegation, and consolidation of wealth within a limited number of teams (or, more accurately, tightly-controlled franchises).

    Coupled with rampant commercial exploitation of fans and exploitation of broadcast revenue and associated commercial income.

    And they stand for no competition, at all (Go and look up the short-lived USFL).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    You’re right. I too have spent a bit of time in the US and have an interest in their Sports - this concept is exactly The American blueprint; a closed League, no Relegation, and consolidation of wealth within a limited number of teams (or, more accurately, tightly-controlled franchises).

    Coupled with rampant commercial exploitation of „fans“ and exploitation of broadcast revenue and associated commercial income.

    And they stand for no competition, at all (Go and look up the short-lived USFL).
    Except for there are some efforts to control costs in the US and the draft of players ensures that sone degree of balance is maintained....

    The “super league” proposal is just grubby. And for me it’s a serious risk for the “strutting six” and their European colleagues. The simple answer is to let them do what they want but expel them from English football. My guess is the premier league is resilient enough to cope over time. Man City, Chelsea and Spurs are not traditionally “big” clubs in this context so
    They will not be missed and will be replaced in time by others who have money. This leaves the other 3 who will be missed in reputation and image terms but it could end very badly for them if the European league doesn’t fly with fans...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Ill focus on what I want thanks.

    Having spent plenty of time in the US and years of interest in their sport, it seems to me that some of this is driven by cultural difference.
    Of course, you'll focus on what you want. Classical liberal tears

    This is no different from when Phil Gartside, once every three years, would argue for no relegation for the EPL.

    For some, the monopoly instinct might have cultural alignment, but this is about a monopoly. It is a proposal that has been kicking around since 2009 and originally proposed by Florentino Perez, who was at the time Chairman of Real Madrid, probably the worst monopolist club in Europe.


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    First and foremost, I oppose 'closed competition' within the football association code ecosystem.

    If those clubs want to have a closed system, they should form their own code and play within.

    Players should not be allowed to cross willy-nilly between codes.

    The problem will all changes like this since the advent of the EPL is that it is used to channel money to the top of the game.

    That money is used to fund elite players wages.

    This warps the entire player ecosystem.

    This move is going the wrong way.

    Even if, as some have claimed, the ESL proposal is a negotiating tactic to win concessions from the Champions Leagues - a threat of a cartel to maintain a protection racket - it will be worse for professional association football in the end.


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    Once all these clubs have been stripped of their European titles we'll be the joint 3rd most successful side in Europe.

    I say "all", excluding the joke English pretenders of course.

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    If you want to make European football more intense then the champions league should go back to being a knockout tournament for champions but that won't make them money, which is what this is about.

    The worse thing is of the English "top 6" sone aren't even in the champions league.

    FIFA, UEFA and the FA's need to stamp on this. If you sign upto it, you forfeit your place, income and status in the existing leagues and tournaments.

    I'm all for them fucking off but they want to stay in there leagues (possibly CL too?), raking in millions and then get even more un this supposed super league, it's a money grab while those at the bottom of the pyramid that sustains football are struggling to stay afloat. It's disgusting.

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    Re the poll - I'd like to vote for both "NO, its just a grubby money-grab" and "Football is Dead"


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    I quite like the idea of a football IPL. It could be staged in the odd year summers when there are no international tournaments. How much would Harry Kane go for in an auction etc?


    Sounds much better than an endlessly tedious and closed super league.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I quite like the idea of a football IPL. It could be staged in the odd year summers when there are no international tournaments. How much would Harry Kane go for in an auction etc?


    Sounds much better than an endlessly tedious and closed super league.
    It would like Fantasy Football in real life, and could be quite entertaining!


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    What do the supporters of these 6 clubs actually think? You would like to think they would be against it, but they probably just see the money also.


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    Rumours abound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cortez the Killer View Post
    Rumours abound.

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