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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    There is a very real chance that in a few years Scotland could be an independent country as well, so I’m not sure inviting those two to join an English pyramid is a good idea.

    (And yes, shut up Welshies, we know about Cardiff and Swansea, but Wales is a principality, not an independent country as such).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
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    A man so badass, that, on his deathbed, he commanded that his bones be transported with the English army to Scotland to witness them be defeated one last time.



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    A British league would give FIFA all the ammo they need to force us to play as one team, so never going to happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    A British league would give FIFA all the ammo they need to force us to play as one team, so never going to happen.


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    I think you could do a regionalised pyramids

    So FIFA have no problem with Cardiff and Swansea playing in the English Leagues and still having Welsh FA.

    And we have North/South splits at tier 6/7 already,

    so we'd probably want to make the tier splits start at tier 3/4 and keep the registrations under the National FAs



    I don't know that I'm for it, myself, but I think that would be how to do it to be geographically practical and maintain the 3 FAs

    EXACT SAME BENEFITS

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    A British league would give FIFA all the ammo they need to force us to play as one team, so never going to happen.


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    To be honest it’s not much different to the current English team, if your Irish or Scottish and any good someone at the FA will find a relative who 5% English so you can represent us.


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    Quote Originally Posted by incapable hulk View Post
    Aye, I think you would need to merge the English and Scottish pyramids to some extent. Then again we already have several Welsh teams in here too, so perhaps you just do an all British league.


    The most interesting aspect to me would be how it works. Because even if you bring in just Rangers and Celtic - where do they go? Two thirds of PL teams aren't going to vote for it because it would mean a season where 5 teams are relegated. Then even if you put them in to League 1 you still have to increase the relegation places there and I can't imagine those teams standing for that. However they do it, if they do it, it's going to create an uproar all of it's own.
    Yeah that's what I meant by it'll be more effort than it's worth for the English leagues.

    It is just not practicle unless they start from the very bottom, and not convinced they would leave Scotland to do that anyway.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ozthecoz View Post
    ESL failed so how about an all new premier league with Rangers and Celtic?

    According to the sun .... https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...box=1619039972
    I don’t really care if the jocks move over to our leagues but an 18 team first division with a top four play off? What the fuck? Sounds like more Americanised shit where u can finish first in the league and not be the champions?


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    Or we could just tell Rangers & Celtic to get fucked

    There that's solved that one, next


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Or we could just tell Rangers & Celtic to get fucked

    There that's solved that one, next
    Nah, let em in for a season and then they'll get relegated to the Championship ... let's see how attractive they find that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    The Ł3.5 BILLION investment doesn't happen because you fill in a web-form and an automatic credit check is run with Experian then tells you by text whether your loan application is successful or not..
    Pretty sure that's how the housing bubble happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozthecoz View Post
    Was Perez at Heysel?


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    Quote Originally Posted by ozthecoz View Post
    That gall of it

    There are people with privileges who do not want to lose them, and are willing to run clubs, although when the clubs are ruined they will lose their privileges.



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    He moans about clubs like Madrid losing millions each year, but if only there was something he could do about it, like, I don’t know, not spunking millions of euros on signing supposed „megastar“ players and then rewarding them with the kinds of contract that would make an oligarch blush?

    Just an idea like.

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

    „Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.”

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    Now that the dust begins to settle, a bit of history.

    If there was one key figure in the whole affair, I think this was none other than Karl-Heinz Rummenigge. Bayern participated in all attempts / threats for a closed league through the year. The leaked intial plan of the ESL obviously counted on Bayern. Bayern's refusal to participate must have been a key the moribund nature of the endeavour. And it was Rumenigge who reportedly convinced the British clubs to back out.

    Rewind back to 2008. The growing professionalization of the game and the rise of tv contracts had led to the creation of a cartel not unlike the 12 clubs of Perez / Agnelli. It was called G-14 (they later became 18 but retained their name) and its goal was precisely to influence UEFA's decisions in favour of the big clubs. The initial members were Real, Barcelona, Juventus, Inter, Milan, Manchester United, Liverpool, Bayern, Borussia Dortmund, PSG, Lyon, Marseille, Eindhoven, Ajax, and Porto.

    Unlike the Glazers and the Agnellis and the Perez of today, some of the key figures of those clubs soon realized that their (verys selfish) interests were better served through a more open and democratic organization representing the interests of big professional clubs, and to work alongside UEFA and not as its adversary. So, in 2008 they formed the European Club Association (we were one of the 18 founding members and remain heavily involved ever since). The ECA influences UEFA's decisions; the new format of the Champions League was reportedly a proposal by the ECA. ESL's 12 have left the ECA and I doubt they will be allowed to return.

    Guess who was the mastermind behind the ECA: none other than Karl-Heinz Rummenigge.


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    If only Real Madrid produced a few superstars from their youth system. I mean, that could save them a few bob too.

    If they put more energy in creating another Iker Casillas, Raul, Guti or Juan Mata but just like in the latter's case, their youth players are very rarely given a chance in the first team.

    That's where Barcelona outdo Real Madrid with Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Busquets, Victor Valdes, Messi, Pedro, etc. They give kids a chance and most of the aforementioned were part of the Spanish golden generation.

    Perez is just a mercenary mess and runs his club in the same manner.


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    There is a petition Chris will probably like just kicking off on Change.org, calling for the 50+1 rule to be adopted over here by the Premier League, the FA and the EFL

    http://chng.it/FKFNRhYG4X


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Or we could just tell Rangers & Celtic to get fucked

    There that's solved that one, next
    Keep them out-why do you think Hadrian's Wall was built?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloughie1975 View Post
    Keep them out-why do you think Hadrian's Wall was built?
    It's not high or electric enough for my liking


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    It's not high or electric enough for my liking
    I'd like to see Billy Davies at the top of the wall on the Scottish side, waving his Scottish flag, baring his teeth with saliva dripping from his lips.

    With Steve McClaren on the other side holding an English flag, as he drops the flag and falls over. Then gets pissed on by a dog.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Red Till Dead View Post
    There is a petition Chris will probably like just kicking off on Change.org, calling for the 50+1 rule to be adopted over here by the Premier League, the FA and the EFL

    http://chng.it/FKFNRhYG4X
    Why just the Premier League clubs, anyone know?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    If only Real Madrid produced a few superstars from their youth system. I mean, that could save them a few bob too.

    If they put more energy in creating another Iker Casillas, Raul, Guti or Juan Mata but just like in the latter's case, their youth players are very rarely given a chance in the first team.

    That's where Barcelona outdo Real Madrid with Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol, Pique, Busquets, Victor Valdes, Messi, Pedro, etc. They give kids a chance and most of the aforementioned were part of the Spanish golden generation.

    Perez is just a mercenary mess and runs his club in the same manner.
    Madrid produce hundreds of players, it’s quite extraordinary. Seems like about 20% of all la Liga players started their careers at Real.

    But Perez would rather spaff 150m on a superstar.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Madrid produce hundreds of players, it’s quite extraordinary. Seems like about 20% of all la Liga players started their careers at Real.

    But Perez would rather spaff 150m on a superstar.
    That's the Tony Montana ego from Mr. Florentino Perez.

    I'm going to spend my big money on some superstar big name. Fuck this kid from Madrid.

    *snort*


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    I think you could do a regionalised pyramids

    So FIFA have no problem with Cardiff and Swansea playing in the English Leagues and still having Welsh FA.

    And we have North/South splits at tier 6/7 already,

    so we'd probably want to make the tier splits start at tier 3/4 and keep the registrations under the National FAs



    I don't know that I'm for it, myself, but I think that would be how to do it to be geographically practical and maintain the 3 FAs
    Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham and Newport have always traditionally played in the English leagues. Tradition is how we continue to have 4 separate national teams instead of one as FIFA would like.

    Start putting Scottish teams into our pyramid for the first time and a UK team would soon be back on the agenda, doing a lot of old duffers at various FAs out of a job. So you can design it all you like, there’s no chance of it happening.

    Also there’s no benefit at all to the EFL letting Scottish teams in.


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    It always interests me - the whole concept of gentrifying the game of football, getting rid of terracing and pricing the 'riff raff' out, selling it as a middle class product on a premium platform like SkyTV would have been impossible absent some catastrophic triggering event.

    Premier league started in 1992 after discussions in 1991 after the Taylor Report in 1990 after events on 15th April 1989 in Sheffield..

    By "relegation battle", do you mean 7th, 12th or 14th?

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