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  1. #301
    Viv Anderson
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I'd keep Sammy.

    Mighten, Johnson, Ameobi options for wide left.
    Lolley, Ameobi options for wide right.
    Krovi?, Carvalho, Johnson options for the #10 role.

    Da Costa can go, and need a right winger, then we're done for advanced midfielders.

    Up front a lot depends on whether Grabban and Taylor want to stay. Can't imagine Taylor does, or if he's wanted, and Grabban may fancy a new challenge. Much harder to anticipate what we'll need up front in my opinion.
    My issue with Sammy is that whilst he scores the odd cracker & beats a few players - a lot of our attacks come to a stop with him. If there was more precision to his play we could get more out of him but I have concerns. I would prefer if we want a more physical wing-option that they have a bit more speed and can get in behind so the ball doesn;t have to be played to feet and hopefully just a better rounded footballer in and around the box.

    Do I think he is the worst footballer ? No.

    It's just, can we get better for the team and end product. I guess much will depend on what other wingers are on the list before I commit to Ameobi.

    Agree on the CF position. I think a lot is up in the air there.

    Last edited by BryanRoy; 14-04-21 at 11:17.

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  3. #302
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    My issue with Sammy is that whilst he scores the odd cracker & beats a few players - a lot of our attacks come to a stop with him. If there was more precision to his play we could get more out of him but I have concerns. I would prefer if we want a more physical wing-option that they have a bit more speed and can get in behind so the ball doesn;t have to be played to feet and hopefully just a better rounded footballer in and around the box.

    Do I think he is the worst footballer ? No.

    It's just, can we get better for the team and end product. I guess much will depend on what other wingers are on the list before I commit to Ameobi.

    Agree on the CF position. I think a lot is up in the air there.
    I hold a similar view with regard to Ameobi - I wouldn't keep him. I would use this opportunity to look for someone who contributes more and more regularly for that matter.

    Whilst Sammy has some assets worth keeping - You can only get Promoted with players who have some degree of '' consistency '' over a 46 game season and that is not something he possesses. So its a No from me


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I'd keep Sammy.

    Mighten, Johnson, Ameobi options for wide left.
    Lolley, Ameobi options for wide right.
    Krovi?, Carvalho, Johnson options for the #10 role.
    Like the 10's, but for a team thats attacking foundations are built almost entirely on width, that looks light on both sides. Mighten & Johnson have it to prove at this level, Ameobi has consistency issues, Lolley has fitness issues.

    Too many questions, moneys tight, but Id prefer both wings had better starting options. If that meant going with our current striking options, then so be it.


  5. #304

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    Quote Originally Posted by NooForest View Post
    I hold a similar view with regard to Ameobi - I wouldn't keep him. I would use this opportunity to look for someone who contributes more and more regularly for that matter.

    Whilst Sammy has some assets worth keeping - You can only get Promoted with players who have some degree of '' consistency '' over a 46 game season and that is not something he possesses. So its a No from me
    Lets hope we can get better for the money-I have my doubts-I mean Knockers is being valued at several million!
    One things for sure we are pretty weak in the wide positions and so we need to recruit, I don't think relying on youngsters alone is sensible.


  6. #305
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    I know the answer will probably be a resounding NO!!! but thought I'd ask it anyway - Britt has effectively been released by Colin tonight from Boro'.... would anyone take him back if its effectively on a free


  7. #306
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    I'd take him back, he's not played as much this season and only scored 5 in 31 but he's hit double figures for Boro every season he's been there since he left us.
    Our front line needs an overhaul anyway. Murray is a part-time footballer at this point, Taylor hasn't worked out and while I still like Grabban, do we get 40+ games from him at this point?

    If it makes footballing sense for an ex-player to return, especially one that performed when they were here, it's worth the chance although can't really say Britt would be coming back to anything familiar as we've changed 4 managers and rotated the entire squad since he left so..


  8. #307
    Nigel Clough
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    Britt has scored as many goals as Grabban this season (a player most of our fans want rid of now) and is clearly not the player he used to be, plus will probably want massive wages. No thanks. He'll be going to sit on parachute payment clubs bench for Ł30k+ a week anyway IMO.


  9. #308
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    i feel that we'll need 2 new strikers even if we don't offload grabban or taylor. if we do try for stephen Humphrys from rochdale , we should also offer a contract to 18 yr old winger Kwadwo Baah who'll be out of contract who nearly sign for man city in feb but he failed the medical at the last hurdle, now plenty of clubs are hovering around him but forest could provide a faster path to their first team with their lack of winger options.


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    We need 2 of nearly everything based on last nights horror show!.

    2 strikers-one prolific, the other a big strong bastard whose really able to lead the line and do a bit of bullying of CB's

    2 Wide players-I'd keep Ameobi but he needs an upgrade and we need at least one wide man who can hurt teams more consistently on the flanks and most importantly can get OUTSIDE a fullback (rather than always cut in) and cross well. Maybe Brennan might be one of those wide two who knows...

    A central defensive midfield pairing-lets face it what we have on our books (that's actually played) hasn't impressed and until we get this right the rest is academic, we're never going to win games if we give up the midfield as easily as we have for long sections of this season. Until Garner we hadn't bossed a midfield all season and when Garners mind has been elsewhere in the last couple of games (he's gone I am sure) we've been back to square 1 and shit teams midfields have been on top-that tells you everything about the guys we have out there-not good enough.

    Number 10-Carvalho?, Johnson?. Who knows...I've been really disappointed in how Kronovs form has dropped off in the last few games, I'm worried he's another "tidy" player who does what he can when the wind is behind the side but is not really an attacking dictator...

    Fullbacks-two new ones please. Maybe one of our kids on loan can fill the right back position-I hope so, it would be nice...I'm particularly sick of Christie, for me he's summed up our mediocrity this season-few good runs and crosses interspaced with inexplicable turd, failed 1 on 1's defensively, poor positioning, and a sloth like turn of pace...

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    Viv Anderson
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    How do Barnsley, working on a budget which, to my simple mind, is tiny compared to ours, manage to continually find such decent young players? And sell them for a tidy profit, then go out and buy more youngsters?

    Whilst we, once again, wonder if we should sign one of our old 'hasbeens'.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How do Barnsley, working on a budget which, to my simple mind, is tiny compared to ours, manage to continually find such decent young players? And sell them for a tidy profit, then go out and buy more youngsters?

    Whilst we, once again, wonder if we should sign one of our old 'hasbeens'.
    So there’s got to be hope poodle?


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How do Barnsley, working on a budget which, to my simple mind, is tiny compared to ours, manage to continually find such decent young players? And sell them for a tidy profit, then go out and buy more youngsters?

    Whilst we, once again, wonder if we should sign one of our old 'hasbeens'.
    The only answer to that VP, has got to be „decent scouting“.

    They try and find young, hungry, players who fit how they want to play as a side, and - upside - have future value, players on the upside of their career.

    Forest, conversely, go for expensive veterans who are seemingly only looking for a payday.

    It’s perhaps not an indictment of Forest‘s recruitment that their three best players this season have been a goalkeeper plucked from obscurity in France, a local lad from the academy and a 19-year old youngster on loan from Man United.

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

    „Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.”

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  14. #313
    Nigel Clough
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How do Barnsley, working on a budget which, to my simple mind, is tiny compared to ours, manage to continually find such decent young players? And sell them for a tidy profit, then go out and buy more youngsters?

    Whilst we, once again, wonder if we should sign one of our old 'hasbeens'.
    Statistics. They adopt a “Moneyball” approach. And when I say “Moneyball” I mean really like Moneyball. They’ve got Billy Beane (Brad Pitt in the movie) on their board.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    The only answer to that VP, has got to be „decent scouting“.

    They try and find young, hungry, players who fit how they want to play as a side, and - upside - have future value, players on the upside of their career.

    Forest, conversely, go for expensive veterans who are seemingly only looking for a payday.

    It’s perhaps not an indictment of Forest‘s recruitment that their three best players this season have been a goalkeeper plucked from obscurity in France, a local lad from the academy and a 19-year old youngster on loan from Man United.
    Thats part of the story Stummer, but I suspect its also to do with the fact that overall expectations are such that if the younger, unpolished diamonds Barnsley obtain don't perform initially, no-one notices too much and there aren't options to be continually replacing them-and that way they get time and latitude to bed in and develop.
    I think the expectations at Forest are a very big part of the problem-players are acquired and discarded in a cycle that's barely credible and certainly not sustainable. Thats why I generally argue for as much patience as possible, particularly with the manager position because our ADHD approach isn't working...

    I should say that I also see the complete inconsistency in what I am saying because on other threads I'm calling for most of the side that played last night to be cleared out. But in a sense I think there is some constancy in that because I see a lot of players who are journey men, mercenaries and aren't really part of the team or project. I don't think you have any chance until that sort of thing is cut out...


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Statistics. They adopt a “Moneyball” approach. And when I say “Moneyball” I mean really like Moneyball. They’ve got Billy Beane (Brad Pitt in the movie) on their board.


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    Get Brad Pitt on the blower I’m sure he’s got a few quid spare to pump into the club.


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by Haych View Post
    Get Brad Pitt on the blower I’m sure he’s got a few quid spare to pump into the club.
    Forest are more Eartha Kitt than Brad Pitt.

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  18. #317
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by Cortez the Killer View Post
    Forest are more Eartha Kitt than Brad Pitt.

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    I've just had an Eartha Kitt


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    It’s a pity Forest didn’t tap up Canadian megastar Ryan Reynolds before he bought Wrexham.

    Deadpool wears red, he’d have been a perfect fit for NFFC.


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by Cortez the Killer View Post
    Forest are more Eartha Kitt than Brad Pitt.

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    She can come here if she brings an old fashioned multi- millionaire with her.


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How do Barnsley, working on a budget which, to my simple mind, is tiny compared to ours, manage to continually find such decent young players? And sell them for a tidy profit, then go out and buy more youngsters?

    Whilst we, once again, wonder if we should sign one of our old 'hasbeens'.
    Barnsley have reasonable expectations, unlike us who expect/demand top 6 every year. They can afford to play players and give them time to grow in the squad, unlike us who write of players who play 200 minutes of football in total over 10 games with 1 start..

    The only players we ever give a chance to are our youth team.

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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Another Premier youngster midfielder reported as our target, but more likely yours, given your obligatory focus on the home market: Mamadou Sylla, 18, Aston Villa U23, defensive midfielder, from Guinea but raised in Spain, made his debut for the firt team in January.


 

 

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