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  1. #126
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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    I agree. Any club wanting to buy potential from the Championship is going to be far more interested in Brennan Johnson than any of our other players.

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    How old is mighten-do people think that a loan wud benefit him or now that he has reached fringes of first 11 and scored a few goals he develops with us. Showed glimpses of real talent n trickery, has shown lack of lack of strength at times and when to release ball. But that will all come- hopefully under hughton supervision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Can't edit, but equally important is shifting players we no longer want, some of who will be on quite a wedge. Jenkinson, Colback, Arter, Diallo, one of the 3x left backs we have and perhaps Figgy too.

    Ideally I'd like to see a squad of:

    GK: Samba, Smith, Shelvey
    RB: New, Richardson
    RCB: Worrall, Mbe Soh
    LCB: McKenna, Blackett
    LB: Ribeiro, Iannou
    RCM: Yates, Sow
    LCM: New, Cafu
    RW: New, Lolley
    AM: New, Johnson
    LW: Ameobi, New
    ST: New, Taylor, Murray

    Five new players straight into the first eleven assuming none of the loans are retained. That's quiet a lot of activity to complete in a few weeks. There's 24 players there so space for one more player too.

    Probably best to start planning them now Forest.
    Depends on signings that squad, itís incredibly weak looking at it for a promotion push as it now so the new players would have to be of a decent standard. So all depends if we can get decent players for feck all then. It can be done but it will be all on hughtons shoulders because I havenít seen recruitment have the ability to do that.

    You get Garner back is a good start to that than feck knows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    Depends on signings that squad, itís incredibly weak looking at it for a promotion push as it now so the new players would have to be of a decent standard. So all depends if we can get decent players for feck all then. It can be done but it will be all on hughtons shoulders because I havenít seen recruitment have the ability to do that.

    You get Garner back is a good start to that than feck knows.
    Think of it comparatively.


    Last Jan we spent 2m on Da Costa, Diakhaby & Bong. None of whom were able to contribute in any remotely positive way to the half season playoff push which they arrived for.

    This Jan we spent nothing, yet bought in Garner, Krovi and Murray, all who have contributed to a significant upturn in form, and getting us clear of a relegation fight we were well rooted in.

    So long as the top brass who have been killing the club the past 3 years by overloading the squad with useless crap stop interfering, Hughton will have us in a much better & healthier position all round. I'm not sure we'll be quite ready for promotion, but between his contacts & nouse, I'm confident Hughton will have us at least competing for it, and then given another year or two a genuine top Champ side.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    Last Jan we spent 2m on Da Costa, Diakhaby & Bong. None of whom were able to contribute in any remotely positive way to the half season playoff push which they arrived for.

    This Jan we spent nothing, yet bought in Garner, Krovi and Murray, all who have contributed to a significant upturn in form, and getting us clear of a relegation fight we were well rooted in.
    The three players who revived in January wonít be playing for free, their wage-contributions (and there will be some, perhaps significantly in the case of Garner) will have added another substantial sum to the overall wage bill.

    Itís all additional costs, on to the accounts of a club that has been haemorrhaging money for years (and yes, part of that is poor transfer strategy decisions that have saddled the club - and wage bill - with underperforming footballers that nobody else wants).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    I agree. Any club wanting to buy potential from the Championship is going to be far more interested in Brennan Johnson than any of our other players.
    Spot-on Rav and, as such, you would expect that Gary Brazil would be monitoring him as a potential target as much as he doubtlessly is as one of our youngsters out on loan.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    The three players who revived in January wonít be playing for free, their wage-contributions (and there will be some, perhaps significantly in the case of Garner) will have added another substantial sum to the overall wage bill.

    Itís all additional costs, on to the accounts of a club that has been haemorrhaging money for years (and yes, part of that is poor transfer strategy decisions that have saddled the club - and wage bill - with underperforming footballers that nobody else wants).
    Again, comparatively speaking, I still think we've got far more value for money than last Jan by a million miles.

    We have to pay players wages. The key is paying wages to players who actually contribute.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    Again, comparatively speaking, I still think we've got far more value for money than last Jan by a million miles.

    We have to pay players wages. The key is paying wages to players who actually contribute.
    We'll have paid a loan fee as well. Loans usually aren't free.

    Garner will probably be a couple hundred thousand, Knockaert likely nearer a couple of million, Christie maybe half a mil to a mil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    We'll have paid a loan fee as well. Loans usually aren't free.

    Garner will probably be a couple hundred thousand, Knockaert likely nearer a couple of million, Christie maybe half a mil to a mil.
    Where did those figures come from?.
    A couple of mill for knockers? I doubt it.....


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    I usually reckon for contributing half a loan player's salary for the period they're with us, paid to their parent club as a loan fee.

    Obviously, this will vary on the circumstances of each loan, but it's my starting point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Jumper View Post
    I usually reckon for contributing half a loan player's salary for the period they're with us, paid to their parent club as a loan fee.

    Obviously, this will vary on the circumstances of each loan, but it's my starting point.
    On what basis do you reckon that?


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    Iíd be amazed if we didnít have to pay at least a million to get Knockaert on loan. Christie probably cost upwards of 500k for the season too, and probably similar for Freeman.


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    500k for Christie?
    Honestly that makes me weep.
    The cost of a decent house for a bloke who defends with the mobility and guile of a row of houses


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    500k for Christie?
    Honestly that makes me weep.
    The cost of a decent house for a bloke who defends with the mobility and guile of a row of houses
    Thought he was more of a bungalow


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    More bungle the bear


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    500k for Christie?
    Honestly that makes me weep.
    The cost of a decent house for a bloke who defends with the mobility and guile of a row of houses
    Are you ex footballer Dion Dublin from homes under the hammer?


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    I hadn't thought about that. For my house I couldn't even loan Cyrus; woe is me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by witneyred View Post
    Are you ex footballer Dion Dublin from homes under the hammer?
    No but I wouldnít mind putting Cyrus Christie under a big hammer...


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    I hadn't thought about that. For my house I couldn't even loan Cyrus; woe is me.
    I can't believe a "decent" house costs half a million these days


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    I can't believe a "decent" house costs half a million these days
    Admittedly that was an error


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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    Admittedly that was an error
    The price of the player or the house?


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    A loan deal between club A (owning the player's rights) and club B (bringing the player in on loan) can be anything from club B playing a fraction of the player's wages and nothing else, to club B paying a huge loan fee to club A, plus the player's wages to the penny, plus a penalty fee if they don't use him enough (in the case of young players which big clubs loan out for playing time).

    There's no way to estimate what a loan costs if the details haven't been publicized or reported.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    A loan deal between club A (owning the player's rights) and club B (bringing the player in on loan) can be anything from club B playing a fraction of the player's wages and nothing else, to club B paying a huge loan fee to club A, plus the player's wages to the penny, plus a penalty fee if they don't use him enough (in the case of young players which big clubs loan out for playing time).

    There's no way to estimate what a loan costs if the details haven't been publicized or reported.
    Sure there is.

    Knockaert cost Fulham £10m a mere 12 months ago and he signed a 4 year deal right?

    That's £2.5m amortised.

    There's no benefit to Fulham for loaning him for free considering he'd have had suitors elsewhere who would pay for him, either loan or permanent.

    How much is harder to gauge but even a 50/50 split leaves Forest servicing a £1.25m loan fee plus whatever wages we're paying him which will be somewhere between £1m and £2m.

    The idea that the loan is free is bollocks. We'll have ended up paying at least £2m all in in a best case scenario for Knockaert.


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    I'll agree it's harder to estimate Christie's and Krov's loan costs though.

    But again, neither will be free.

    Won't be easy to tell in the accounts when they're released either as there's quite a wide range of media quoted fees paid for Mbe Soh and Arter, and the wage bill will shift substantially too simply because of the overhaul of players.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Any Time Now View Post
    If we end up in an ultimatum where we can sign one of Krovinovic or Knockaert i hope we snap Benficas hand off
    Why would we be in this scenario?

    If we want Premier League football then both of them should be here next season. It really is as simple as that.


 

 

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