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    I wouldn't take any player from Derby. They've scored fewer goals than us, which is the main problem we need to fix in summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    It will definitely be a buyers market, which will probably create a noticeable difference between what we think Worrall is worth and how much we'd actually get.
    We are only going to sell him because we have to raise some serious money and therefore it would be nonsensical to let him go for <10M. I would think there are informal lines of contact between clubs (probably through agents) which set the parameters before a discussion is had about a player.


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    Default Re: Summer 2021 transfer window

    Is there a loophole in the post-Brexit restrictions for foreigners through loans?


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Is there a loophole in the post-Brexit restrictions for foreigners through loans?
    Not that I’ve read and I shouldn’t think so. Why, got some more dross to send our way?


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    Can see Hughton's meeting with the top brass now.......

    "You're target Chris is to get us promoted"

    "OK, so if we're pushing for the top I get to keep my best players?"

    "Ah....no. We need them to bank-roll the wages of lots of shit players we signed instead"

    "Oh. So I'll get to re-invest some of that sale money at least?"

    "The absolute bare minimum"

    "Oh. So I'm expected to work miracles, and turn a shower of shite into Prem caliber players in a few months?"

    "Yes. And if you haven't done that by your 5th game in your sacked"

    "That's not very realistic is it though?"

    "Well we've never cared about that before. So long as Gaz Braz keeps doing his job to create funds to cover our fuck ups who cares?"

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    Hilarious!


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    Tedious.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    Is there a loophole in the post-Brexit restrictions for foreigners through loans?
    EU nationals are allowed up to six months for leisure travel. It allows people to do some business activity (like attend meetings) but not specifically work for a UK company, either paid or voluntary...

    I don't think it would fly to claim a loaned player wasn't working for Forest (a UK company) and that instead despite playing for us he was actually working for Olympiakos.

    I think the EU market boat has mostly sailed for us. We should have utilised it more in the summer just gone when we went whole hog for UK based players like McKenna, Christie, Arter etc instead.

    Also like Forest can't get anything right with their transfer policy.


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    So how did we get Krovinovic from Benfica?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Tedious.
    You said it, our inept ownership is just that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    So how did we get Krovinovic from Benfica?


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    Takeover of the WBA loan (which was all signed off pre transition period ending) maybe?


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    Krovinovic would have qualified because he'd been playing regularly in the Championship/Premier League for the 12 months prior to his signing.

    Two league's which score highly on the new Work Permit points system.

    https://worldfootballindex.com/2020/...-libertadores/


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    I wouldn't be surprised if Hughton can snag better than Krovin on loan from elsewhere tbh. Look at Garner.


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    Krovi was already playing in the U.K. before the end of the transitional period (31.12.2020) and therefore would not have needed a new work permit.

    The new rules apply only from January 1st this year, so any new player signed as a favour to Jorge Mendes from Portuguese football will need to satisfy the new requirements for a work permit, which might be difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    You said it, our inept ownership is just that.
    Seriously though Alf, I doubt there's anyone with even the vaguest interest in NFFC - let alone this forum - who isn't aware that you want to see the back of the Marinakis regime, so you don't need to spam most of the threads you contribute to.

    For me, it often devalues the other, often interesting and informed stuff you post. Still, that's your prerogative and choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    EU nationals are allowed up to six months for leisure travel. It allows people to do some business activity (like attend meetings) but not specifically work for a UK company, either paid or voluntary...

    I don't think it would fly to claim a loaned player wasn't working for Forest (a UK company) and that instead despite playing for us he was actually working for Olympiakos.

    I think the EU market boat has mostly sailed for us. We should have utilised it more in the summer just gone when we went whole hog for UK based players like McKenna, Christie, Arter etc instead.

    Also like Forest can't get anything right with their transfer policy.
    The EU market has far from gone. Most of our squad would have qualified under new rules & we don't actually know how strict they are on appeals yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Hughton can snag better than Krovin on loan from elsewhere tbh.
    I'd be more-than-delighted if he could, but I won't be disappointed if he brings Krovinović back permanently as I doubt that anyone else would have done much better with the general lack of energy and movement up-top, a situation I'm sure that CH will be determined to address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    The EU market has far from gone. Most of our squad would have qualified under new rules & we don't actually know how strict they are on appeals yet.
    So based on the rules as written that I've seen, I think the following wouldn't get a work permit: Samba, Figuerido, Cafu, Ribeiro, Sow, Mbe Soh, Diallo - all because they haven't played sufficient games for their country and/or haven't played sufficient games in one of the top leagues.

    The players who might: Bachirou, who has played enough games for his country, and who also might qualify anyway as he's married to a Scot.

    All the others in the squad are UK nationals so no work permit required.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    So based on the rules as written that I've seen, I think the following wouldn't get a work permit: Samba, Figuerido, Cafu, Ribeiro, Sow, Mbe Soh, Diallo - all because they haven't played sufficient games for their country and/or haven't played sufficient games in one of the top leagues.

    The players who might: Bachirou, who has played enough games for his country, and who also might qualify anyway as he's married to a Scot.

    All the others in the squad are UK nationals so no work permit required.
    You are not including youth internationals in that. Pretty sure Fig, Ribeiro, Mbe Soh would have all qualified or come very close too. Players like Samba Sow, Cafu & Samba may have qualified for an appeal and nobody really knows how that would end up, clubs have to prove they would be a valuable addition to the squad - I don't think anybody has really tested that process yet of how generous/harsh they are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    You are not including youth internationals in that. Pretty sure Fig, Ribeiro, Mbe Soh would have all qualified or come very close too. Players like Samba Sow, Cafu & Samba may have qualified for an appeal and nobody really knows how that would end up, clubs have to prove they would be a valuable addition to the squad - I don't think anybody has really tested that process yet of how generous/harsh they are.
    Working through some examples..

    Brice Samba:
    - 6 points for playing regularly for a club in Band 4(Ligue 2)
    - 0 points for playing for a relegated club.
    - 0 points for no international caps of any variety.
    = 9 points short, almost guaranteed fail on any appeal.

    Mbe Soh
    - 0 points for not playing regularly enough for Band 1 club (Ligue 1)
    - 6 points for playing for Title winner
    - At least 8 points for U19 cap (assuming they count in same way as full caps).
    = Enough to pass threshold, or if was only 8pts then appeal most likely won.

    Figgy:
    - 8 points for playing most games in band 2 league (Portugese Primera)
    - 0 points for playing for a relegated club
    - 0 points for no international caps
    - Can't work out when he played his U23s... if they count, he's OK, if not... then no.

    Ribeiro
    - Definitely OK.


    So yeah, you're on the money with the youth caps thing. Good shout.


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    Figs would have definitely qualified too, he played regularly for Portugal U21/23 prior to him coming to Forest. Youth caps included makes a massive difference.

    I can't see it, but I really hope we are one of the clubs that will be first to exploit the South American market. There is a huge field of players previously unavailable to us over there now. I would be flooding scouts to youth games.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Figs would have definitely qualified too, he played regularly for Portugal U21/23 prior to him coming to Forest. Youth caps included makes a massive difference.

    I can't see it, but I really hope we are one of the clubs that will be first to exploit the South American market. There is a huge field of players previously unavailable to us over there now. I would be flooding scouts to youth games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Working through some examples..

    Brice Samba:
    - 6 points for playing regularly for a club in Band 4(Ligue 2)
    - 0 points for playing for a relegated club.
    - 0 points for no international caps of any variety.
    = 9 points short, almost guaranteed fail on any appeal.

    Mbe Soh
    - 0 points for not playing regularly enough for Band 1 club (Ligue 1)
    - 6 points for playing for Title winner
    - At least 8 points for U19 cap (assuming they count in same way as full caps).
    = Enough to pass threshold, or if was only 8pts then appeal most likely won.

    Figgy:
    - 8 points for playing most games in band 2 league (Portugese Primera)
    - 0 points for playing for a relegated club
    - 0 points for no international caps
    - Can't work out when he played his U23s... if they count, he's OK, if not... then no.

    Ribeiro
    - Definitely OK.


    So yeah, you're on the money with the youth caps thing. Good shout.
    I thought Samba had just got relegated from Ligue 1 when we signed him? So would get more points from better quality league.

    Bachirou I’m not sure. Scandi leagues are really lowly ranked in this new system aren’t they? And Comoros being lowly ranked has an effect too?

    Like you say though, his mrs is a jock, so presumably he would just get a UK passport.


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    I thought Samba had just got relegated from Ligue 1 when we signed him? So would get more points from better quality league.

    Bachirou I’m not sure. Scandi leagues are really lowly ranked in this new system aren’t they? And Comoros being lowly ranked has an effect too?

    Like you say though, his mrs is a jock, so presumably he would just get a UK passport.


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    Yeah that's true. Samba would have got 12 points as Ligue 1 is band 1.

    Scandi leagues are low ranked but they are in european competition & he played regularly in them.


 

 

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