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    Peter Shilton is fronting a campaign on gambling awareness, and to encourage legislation to ban gambling companies from sponsoring clubs‘ shirts and plastering their advertising everywhere.

    If you’re against gambling sponsors, there’s a change.org petition linked from Shilts‘ tweet to sign:

    https://twitter.com/peter_shilton/st...323180034?s=21

    (Disclaimer: I am in complete agreement with the former Forest goalie and wish gambling sponsorship would go away and stop sullying Forest‘s shirt with their grubby logos).

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    A drum I've banged a few times. Happily signed.


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    Nothing wrong in having a sensible bet as long as it remain fun

    But if it gets rid of those irritating Ray Winstone adverts then I'll sign it

    I've got 3 accumulators in place for today's games


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    An article from The Lancet published last month is open access at the moment and an interesting read:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...232-2/fulltext

    This must end.


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    If kids can't wear a replica shirt with a gambling logo on then those companies should be nowhere near the shirts of a sport that is enjoyed by all ages.

    Nothing wrong with gambling per se, but I've mentioned it before, at 18 I'd never even dreamt of sitting in the pub with my mates ticking of an "ACCA". From what I've seen working in pubs it becomes part of the process now for 18 year olds and like any adult vice they will do shit loads of it because they can.


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    Doesn't bother me, love a bet, but I wouldn't give a toss if their shite ads & logos never saw the light of day again either.

    One of my best mates dad & family are bookies and I've done a few shifts for them at various places over the years, so I was raised with betting and I've been betting since being a kid. So long as you keep it fun and for a laugh, I don't see a problem with it.

    But there are definite pitfalls & cons out there which need highlighting.

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    I like a bet every now and again but I don’t think bookies should be allowed to advertise on tv or football kits to be honest.

    It’s everywhere around sport and you’ve only got to look at how many footballers get themselves in all sorts of trouble to see how intertwined the two are. I don’t think that’s healthy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    Nothing wrong in having a sensible bet as long as it remain fun

    But if it gets rid of those irritating Ray Winstone adverts then I'll sign it

    I've got 3 accumulators in place for today's games
    & how much did ya win with those 3 accumulators?

    Fuck all ya mug


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    I have absolutely no issue with gambling either. I have a bet occasionally but just the amount I'm happy to lose rather than look at what I could win.

    My mam does the same, she will have a 3 pound both teams to score 5 fold, she doesn't win much but if she loses she isn't bothered and if she wins it's paid for a takeaway on a Saturday night.

    What isn't right is how it's become almost part and parcel of football now, just because it doesn't damage people as physically as ale or fags do, doesn't mean it's any better. Stick an advert on by all means, but not every single break, every single sponsor of the match or go anywhere near a shirt.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    & how much did ya win with those 3 accumulators?

    Fuck all ya mug


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    I have absolutely no issue with gambling either. I have a bet occasionally but just the amount I'm happy to lose rather than look at what I could win.

    My mam does the same, she will have a 3 pound both teams to score 5 fold, she doesn't win much but if she loses she isn't bothered and if she wins it's paid for a takeaway on a Saturday night.

    What isn't right is how it's become almost part and parcel of football now, just because it doesn't damage people as physically as ale or fags do, doesn't mean it's any better. Stick an advert on by all means, but not every single break, every single sponsor of the match or go anywhere near a shirt.
    Great post that chap. The advertising side of things does saturate things big time.

    A mate of mine's wife bets every weekend without fail on footy. I don't think she's ever even been to a match, she's just part of the Sky Sports food chain.


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    I remember my first bet, I went in for a both teams to score but accidentally filled in a both teams to score and a winner, it was a 10 fold and as I looked at the slip as I left the winnings said something daft like 11.7million off of 3 quid safe to say I kept it, but didn't win


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    I'll chuck a tenner into paddy power about 3, 4 times a year but that's more for the bobo's and a bit of online poker.

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    What really annoys me about all the online companies, not only gambling, is how they manage to avoid paying their taxes.

    Don't like the gambling and don't like their business model, no matter how successful.

    So it's a double no from me.


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    It's a disease, I've often said on here that there's thousands at matches not even watching the game, they're busy checking their accumulators on their phones, it's more important to them.

    Sad. The gambling corporates don't like the likes of myself and those who've posted on this thread. They love the vulnerable, the thick and the addicted.

    GET RID OF THE EXPLOITATION OF THE FOOTBALL INDUSTRY.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    It's a disease, I've often said on here that there's thousands at matches not even watching the game, they're busy checking their accumulators on their phones, it's more important to them.

    Sad. The gambling corporates don't like the likes of myself and those who've posted on this thread. They love the vulnerable, the thick and the addicted.

    GET RID OF THE EXPLOITATION OF THE FOOTBALL INDUSTRY.
    Completely agree mate, I have close family members either addicted to booze or gambling, it's a disease and the normalisation of it needs to stop.


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    I’ve never stepped inside a betting shop and I’ve never placed a bet online. I wouldn’t know how to do either.

    Until the sponsorship, I’d never heard of Football Index, 888 , Betbright or Victor Chandler.

    I hate the fact that these companies benefit from sponsoring Forest.

    I appreciate Forest do a lot for charity but I’d love to see more.

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    Gambling addiction is a cancer to modern day life.

    You only have to go on the internet or have a look on TV and you're being force fed these 50 free spin deals that light up like Christmas trees, as if they were fun games that ignite the kid in you.

    It's dreadful as the gambling companies actively look at what will attract people in every age group. They prey on the vulnerable and poor who look for that golden ticket.

    There is a great podcast on spotify for anyone who may be addicted to gambling and I couldn't recommend it enough.

    'The Problem Gambling Podcast'


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    Soon to be a thing of the past like all the tobacco company sponsorship of sports competitions in the eighties.

    No way I'm going to Peter Shilton's twitter feed though.


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    I can't see football turning its back on gambling industry cash any time soon. Not while clubs are counting the Covid cost, anyway.

    In the meantime, there's one change I think could and should be made. For some time, betting firms have been pushing the message that sticking a bet on a sporting event makes it more exciting. There's at least one current TV ad saying more or less that.

    I don't how they get away with it, to be honest. It's like a beer advert telling people, "Going to a party? Lager will make it more fun." Clearly, that kind of thing wouldn't get past the censors, yet betting companies are allowed to spin a similar line. It doesn't seem right.


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    Regulation needs to be focused on online casinos.

    It's ok putting £2 limit on fixed odds terminals in betting shops and land casinos but I could quite easily sign up with an online casino now and place a £500 a spin bet, spinning through literally thousands of pounds in seconds.

    Online casinos also have the illusion of it not being real money. You aren't touching or feeling anything, you are literally transferring numbers from your online bank into your virtual casino account.

    You can bet (no pun intended)that during the pandemic when we have all been locked in our houses with nothing to do, there will be countless numbers of people already stuck on a path it is hard to get off of.

    Regulated correctly, online casinos can be fun but they can be hugely dangerous places too. They all say that they are geared towards responsible gambling but the truth is different. Yes you will get the odd automated email about responsible gambling from them but then they will happily accept your next big bet and send you incentives when you don't.

    It's a road I started down and managed to pull myself back from. Strangely I don't have the same problems with betting shops or casinos. I have no desire to step into a bookies and can quite happily spend an evening in a casino and regulate my spend or even just watch others play.

    Until proper regulation is put in place for these online money pits, big business will be more than happy to play along with the charade that they care about "responsible gambling" whilst not thinking twice about taking your last penny.

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    Agree with their lax attitude to responsible gambling. Within 24 hours I had a responsible gambling email, followed by a £10 free bet email. Shocking.

    I've not bet in ages due to not being in the UK and no real desire to, but the amount of emails I get offering free bets and doubling my stake is ridiculous.

    Luckily I'm that tight I'm annoyed if I drop a penny. So the max I've ever put into the account has been a fiver.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Akeem, Prince of Zamunda View Post
    I can't see football turning its back on gambling industry cash any time soon. Not while clubs are counting the Covid cost, anyway.

    In the meantime, there's one change I think could and should be made. For some time, betting firms have been pushing the message that sticking a bet on a sporting event makes it more exciting. There's at least one current TV ad saying more or less that.

    I don't how they get away with it, to be honest. It's like a beer advert telling people, "Going to a party? Lager will make it more fun." Clearly, that kind of thing wouldn't get past the censors, yet betting companies are allowed to spin a similar line. It doesn't seem right.
    Spot on. I also don’t know how they get away with it.

    They try and make the whole sporting experience about betting as if you can’t enjoy it without gambling. It’s exactly like saying you can’t enjoy a party/meal/social event without alcohol.

    There’s even one advert I saw the other day where the bloke goes “I’m a nodder. Up and down to from my phone to the TV to check my bet.” Now if that’s not a perfect depiction of a problem gambler I don’t know what is.

    Then in the same advert, there’s a goal and they are waiting for VAR to confirm. The bloke looks like he’s going to explode, white face, cold sweat. All because he’s had a bet.

    I don’t know how they get away with it to be honest.


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    They target who they like.

    You get ads showing people sat in the pubs watching the game with a beer. As people seeing the ad will be doing. So basically sending a message to people who are intoxicated to gamble. You don't even have to leave you your seat to do it.

    There was another ad showing adult actors, but dressed as kids, in a classroom up to something behind the stiff teachers back. Just targeting school kids, who all have phones.


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    At my worst, I sat on my laptop watching an Egyptian premier league game, it was 84 mins old & the score was 0-0. The odds on no goal to be scored for the duration of the game were 1/8. Id had a shit day on the horses so piles a £1000 on, so Zamalek score & Im another grand in the hole. There cant be another goal, so I tip £2500 on at 1/10 to get my money back & scoop the £125 id chased initially, Al Alhy equalise.

    When I read it now it looks fucking ridiculous, chasing losses is what kills you.

    Don't go near it now & my health & bank balance are much the better for it.

    Personal choice though, i new exactly what i was doing, its a grand gesture, but you'll never stop folk trying to chase easy money.


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    When I was in the Army and you were paid on pay parade with cash in hand (7/6d a day during basic training, but it went up later!), the accommodation and food were provided. So it was not unknown for some of the chaps to play three card brag in the NAAFI until their money ran out and then they patiently waited until next week's pay parade to do it all over again.

    I was taught a lesson which has served me well. After a few attempts, I realised, in the long run, you just cannot win.


 

 

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