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    It's clear there is something toxic at the heart of the club.

    Whether it's Vrentos or the bigger machine, these reports are more than just anecdotal rumours.

    I think it's important for fans a: to know the full picture and then b: force appropriate action to improve the club.

    A rotten apple spoils the barrel....

    How do we do this? Forza Garibaldi? Open letter? Appeal to Mariankis?




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    Human size could do some reet damage...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyT View Post
    It's clear there is something toxic at the heart of the club.

    Whether it's Vrentos or the bigger machine, these reports are more than just anecdotal rumours.

    I think it's important for fans a: to know the full picture and then b: force appropriate action to improve the club.

    A rotten apple spoils the barrel....

    How do we do this? Forza Garibaldi? Open letter? Appeal to Mariankis?




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    Would guess that Mr. T is a subscriber to The Athletic and has read Danny Taylor's latest article

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    If there wasn't a pandemic, I'd guess there could be some protests like under fawaz

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    Quote Originally Posted by I Trust Sabri View Post
    If there wasn't a pandemic, I'd guess there could be some protests like under fawaz

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    It's a million miles away from that. People are rightly concerned and would like a more clear picture of how things are run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jervine View Post
    Would guess that Mr. T is a subscriber to The Athletic and has read Danny Taylor's latest article

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    I've read that article too and it's a grim document.

    However.

    What we all need to remember, whether we like it or not, is that since even before the time of Nigel Doughty, it's not OUR club any more, it's merely the team we support. It's HIS/HER/THEIR club.

    It's shit sometimes but that's how it is.

    The old days of "Sack The Board" protests in the main stand car park after a game are long gone.

    Force Marinakis out and you risk someone like Fawaz or Steve Dale at Bury taking over.

    I hate to quote Marthur here but "Be careful what you wish for..."

    By "relegation battle", do you mean 7th, 12th or 14th?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyT View Post
    Human size could do some reet damage...

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    It would if Marinakis has already started a blaze. A human sized one would really get those flames going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    I've read that article too and it's a grim document.

    However.

    What we all need to remember, whether we like it or not, is that since even before the time of Nigel Doughty, it's not OUR club any more, it's merely the team we support. It's HIS/HER/THEIR club.

    It's shit sometimes but that's how it is.

    The old days of "Sack The Board" protests in the main stand car park after a game are long gone.

    Force Marinakis out and you risk someone like Fawaz or Steve Dale at Bury taking over.

    I hate to quote Marthur here but "Be careful what you wish for..."
    Alan Hardy is out of work at the minute...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    I've read that article too and it's a grim document.

    However.

    What we all need to remember, whether we like it or not, is that since even before the time of Nigel Doughty, it's not OUR club any more, it's merely the team we support. It's HIS/HER/THEIR club.

    It's shit sometimes but that's how it is.

    The old days of "Sack The Board" protests in the main stand car park after a game are long gone.

    Force Marinakis out and you risk someone like Fawaz or Steve Dale at Bury taking over.

    I hate to quote Marthur here but "Be careful what you wish for..."
    I totally agree, I think however we should have the ability to voice concerns, perhaps Forza is the route for this? Even if it’s a case of the club communicating and easing fears...clear dialogue, trust and collaboration is vital in these days of information overload. We the fans should be seen as valued stakeholders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It's a million miles away from that. People are rightly concerned and would like a more clear picture of how things are run.

    Protests
    Yep, it’s concerns at this stage. Not shouting like a bunch of loons with some shit flags in a car park!

    I think it would be wise to have some good PR from the club at the very least...and I would hope there is a way of fans having a line of comms to the owners?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jervine View Post
    Would guess that Mr. T is a subscriber to The Athletic and has read Danny Taylor's latest article

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    Coupled with various interviews and a troubling account from a friend who was offered a role at Forest and was totally put off by Mariankis’s son, who he had a number of sessions with whilst discussing the shape of the role... (not fair that I elaborate on a public forum) but the young Mariankis left a very negative impression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    It's a million miles away from that. People are rightly concerned and would like a more clear picture of how things are run.

    Protests
    Everything I type on this forum is an apparent joke.

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    We are just customers now Tommy, we have two choices: like it, or like it.
    Gone are the days of the FEC giving Maurice Rowarth a good hiding in the main stand car park


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    We are just customers now Tommy, we have two choices: like it, or like it.
    Gone are the days of the FEC giving Maurice Rowarth a good hiding in the main stand car park
    Not the days of the Basford Boot Boys though! We can kick Matlock back down to David Lane tram stop! (May have to take it lightly if I'm cooking the snap for the day though)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    We are just customers now Tommy, we have two choices: like it, or like it.
    Gone are the days of the FEC giving Maurice Rowarth a good hiding in the main stand car park
    Chairman Mo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TommyT View Post
    It's clear there is something toxic at the heart of the club.

    The fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    The fans?
    The CG can certainly be a toxic environment on occasions Ravi. I can well imagine (as I don't personally subscribe) that elements of our fanbase who frequent Twitter, Facebook and suchlike are too.

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    (Obligatory pro-German post ahead, skip if that offends you...)

    This is where the 50+1 fan-owned model makes so much sense.

    Don’t like the way your club is being run?

    Then get out and protest about it, and you’ll get results and meaningful change.

    As I’ve posted elsewhere, my local club (of which I am a paid-up Mitglieder, or club member) was being run in a rather aimless way, resulting in a club that had won the Bundesliga in 2007 being relegated twice in three seasons recently.

    So, the Fans did something about it: the main supporter organisations- and there are quite a few - got together and organised a concerted campaign of protest and complaint. Unpopular CEO Dietrich was forced out, and in came Thomas Hitzlsperger who reorganised the management of the club, put a clear plan in place, and - most significantly - hired some decent football people to get things sorted out on the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flagman View Post
    I've read that article too and it's a grim document.

    However.

    What we all need to remember, whether we like it or not, is that since even before the time of Nigel Doughty, it's not OUR club any more, it's merely the team we support. It's HIS/HER/THEIR club.

    It's shit sometimes but that's how it is.

    The old days of "Sack The Board" protests in the main stand car park after a game are long gone.

    Force Marinakis out and you risk someone like Fawaz or Steve Dale at Bury taking over.

    I hate to quote Marthur here but "Be careful what you wish for..."
    I think you're underestimating the power of the customer, especially in a football environment like the championship, where income from tickets and fan engagement in general are more important for the financial well-being of the club than in other leagues.

    If you honestly think that the current regime will inevitably bring the destruction of the club, there are meaningful ways to engage in how the club is ran, even as "customers".


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    I'm just off to my local bakery..


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    (Obligatory pro-German post ahead, skip if that offends you...)

    This is where the 50+1 fan-owned model makes so much sense.

    Don’t like the way your club is being run?

    Then get out and protest about it, and you’ll get results and meaningful change.

    As I’ve posted elsewhere, my local club (of which I am a paid-up Mitglieder, or club member) was being run in a rather aimless way, resulting in a club that had won the Bundesliga in 2007 being relegated twice in three seasons recently.

    So, the Fans did something about it: the main supporter organisations- and there are quite a few - got together and organised a concerted campaign of protest and complaint. Unpopular CEO Dietrich was forced out, and in came Thomas Hitzlsperger who reorganised the management of the club, put a clear plan in place, and - most significantly - hired some decent football people to get things sorted out on the pitch.
    Great model, another theoretical step I take to moving to Berlin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    I think you're underestimating the power of the customer, especially in a football environment like the championship, where income from tickets and fan engagement in general are more important for the financial well-being of the club than in other leagues.

    If you honestly think that the current regime will inevitably bring the destruction of the club, there are meaningful ways to engage in how the club is ran, even as "customers".
    I totally agree with this, in my industry (music/content/creative) the whole industry from creation of product to consumption has been democratised...artists I work with now have real power and fans have active choice and command - even when buying tickets through progressive models like Dice.fm
    Yes there are the big 3 Universal/Sony/Warners and corporates making handsome profits BUT they now HAVE to listen to makers / artists and fans....If they don't it's night nights.

    BTW I don't necessarily think it's the regime - but could be one or two individuals within the structure who are causing the issues. I'm not pointing fingers, just think as Strummer pointed out that a progressive model that involves fans as stakeholders and requesting clarity on certain news would really help the club as a whole...(not least the owners)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    We are just customers now Tommy, we have two choices: like it, or like it.
    Gone are the days of the FEC giving Maurice Rowarth a good hiding in the main stand car park
    This is not the case in other industries...Whether it's lipservice or not, customers becoming partners / stakeholders / custodians is transforming global industry - There is now a freedom of choice to the way we consume or what we decide to say yes and no to. I imagine that the football industry (especially in England) will hold on til the bitter end, but with the likes of Leeds United Chairmen Andrea Radrizzani having a big hand in streaming platforms like LiveNow we could see disruptive tech companies forcing the grip of Sky...so no reason why fans can't at least become valued stakeholders in clubs that they contribute a significant revenue stream to...(not least creating the heartbeat and culture)


 

 

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