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    Quote Originally Posted by OLDMANRED View Post
    You only need the slightest chance to start putting the boot in on this country.
    I actually didn't realise that putting the boot into our corrupt, useless Government was putting the boot into the whole country.

    My mistake.


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    I'm leaving and so is my wife!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Woodcock's LoveChild View Post
    I'm leaving and so is my wife!
    Can you take mine with you too?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie Yates View Post
    And nobody suggested the UK doesn't have an obligation
    To the rest of the world, and the global recovery? These sort of numbers, and the bragging about winning the European vaccine race sometimes make it seem like we think we don't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    To the rest of the world, and the global recovery? These sort of numbers, and the bragging about winning the European vaccine race sometimes make it seem like we think we don't.
    Yes to the rest of the world, nobody disputed that

    Nobody is safe until we're all safe

    UK is the third highest contributor to the Covax scheme behind the US and Germany donating £700m


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    We have vaccines being manufactured in India by their Serum Institute. We're literally taking up some of their capacity.

    we could legitimately slow our programme down, letting the Indian Government have that supply, without having Brits 'die on the street' to help India contain its outbreak.
    We paid for those vaccines via the Serum Institute and probably did a lot of work in regards to helping them start production given that they make AZ. The Serum Institute accepted our order presumably knowing their population would also need to be vaccinated (no idea how the Indian government managed that).

    When the virus situation in India worsened, their government diverted stocks away from export to their own population, which caused a supply shortfall to the UK as we were delivering vaccines as they came in rather than stockpiling them.

    This was exactly the right thing to do - there is no reason at all why a country should prioritise other countries needs over their own.

    Who knows precisely what deal India themselves had with the Serum Institute but if they hadn't ordered any vaccines yet and the UK has then there's ultimately no point in the vaccines sitting there waiting for India to buy them.

    I didn't think we were having any from India since then - ultimately the right thing to do is that we shouldn't. But also, we shouldn't be sending our supplies out there really because we still have half the population almost who haven't had a first dose yet which probably includes most people working in retail, hospitality, entertainment etc all sectors which aren't yet fully open. So whilst we probably won't get a third wave of infections leading to hospital admissions and deaths, certainly not unless a variant develops which evades the vaccines more than the current ones, we could well see an uptick in infections with both the May and June liftings (even if this ultimately presents itself as a flattening of the decline as opposed to a significant increase in cases and nothing more). But we have still seen otherwise healthy people test positive and end up in hospital, though it's rarer.


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    So back to the question, two posters lighter, what is the plan does anyone know?

    Seemed inevitable from the moment it was declared a global pandemic over a year ago, that we would eventually reach a point when all the wealthy countries in the world have vaccinated their populations, and the rest of the world will have barely started vaccinating anybody. The pandemic will not be over by some years. Wealthy countries will return to some semblance of normality if they can keep imthe virus out or at least under control, and they'd probably have to close their borders to rest. And two thirds of the world, if they thought they were on the outside looking in before, they they probably ain't seen nothing yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    So back to the question, two posters lighter, what is the plan does anyone know?

    Seemed inevitable from the moment it was declared a global pandemic over a year ago, that we would eventually reach a point when all the wealthy countries in the world have vaccinated their populations, and the rest of the world will have barely started vaccinating anybody. The pandemic will not be over by some years. Wealthy countries will return to some semblance of normality if they can keep imthe virus out or at least under control, and they'd probably have to close their borders to rest. And two thirds of the world, if they thought they were on the outside looking in before, they they probably ain't seen nothing yet.
    Seemed inevitable to me as well, some countries still haven’t got clean water, never mind being a priority for vaccinations.

    It’s been a shitshow globally, right from the vaccine development race. Didn’t the French one collapse, that several countries were relying on?

    Anyway, stop causing trouble on the forums, Benali.


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    Closing borders isn't actually really a solution to anything. It's effectively an international equivalent of a lockdown.

    We are a global community nnd a global economy, not many countries could essentially isolate themselves and not have an issue - ironically, China and NK are probably the onew sho could provided China still exported.

    Aus and NZ are the others who could basically go for an elimination policy and hope they can keep the walls up to keep it out until it's not an issue elsewhere. But they are running a risk there especially without vaccination as it only takes a case to get in untraced to cause an outbreak again.

    But they do have the advantage of pretty much eveeyhing ocming in via ports or air so they can quarantine this eithout much issue.

    Most of Europe has controlled this via lockdowns and now vaccinations and have been relatively successful in doing so. It's no surprise now that the issues are in more 2nd world countries like Brazil, India and SA where there is a disparity between rich and poor; there and in genuinely still developing countries I guess the problems are more deeprooted than the pandemic and probably not solvable easily by any global aid or vaccination conglomerate.


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    Statto, that can't be right. When we were in the EU we were told that we couldn't control our borders because of the damned EU. It almost seems like now we're out of the EU we choose not to close our borders because we need to protect the economy.

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    Have I missed the flounce off? Bloody he'll, I'm sure I was due a go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    Have I missed the flounce off? Bloody he'll, I'm sure I was due a go.
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    Who would trust the Syrian vaccine roll out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    Seemed inevitable to me as well, some countries still haven’t got clean water, never mind being a priority for vaccinations.

    It’s been a shitshow globally, right from the vaccine development race. Didn’t the French one collapse, that several countries were relying on?

    Anyway, stop causing trouble on the forums, Benali.
    Honestly, with the sanitation issues & overcrowding in places like India it had never seen logical to me that it hadn't spread like it is spreading at the moment over there.

    It must surely be an even bigger concern in terms of places like Nigeria where they don't even have the infastructure India lack.


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    There won’t be many left on here by the time next season starts
    It'll make life easier for the moderators.


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    There won’t be many left on here by the time next season starts
    There will be more people in the Forest squad than on this forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cortez the Killer View Post
    Statto, that can't be right. When we were in the EU we were told that we couldn't control our borders because of the damned EU. It almost seems like now we're out of the EU we choose not to close our borders because we need to protect the economy.

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    Haha, good point. Given that most of the EU27 have at some stage in the last 13 months closed their borders (at least to some extent from Schengen) then it seems that in the case of an emergency it was always possible.

    Now I'm firmly in the camp that immigration which is beneficial to us is fine but people wanting to come over because we're some sort of welfare soft touch (and just get the house/benefits) is bad for us as we have enough people here wanting to do that.

    But in reality, none of that really had anything to do with Brexit to begin with. We already did have controls over who came in from outside as they needed work permits. And the migration from the EU was never the issue as even when the likes of Romania, Poland etc joined most people came here to work - and even to do the lower paid jobs like picking fruit which a lot of people here wouldn't do.

    It's an argument which never really made much sense to me.

    Anyway, in terms of closing borders due to covid, it really does depend on what exactly this does mean. Foreign travel for holidays is still banned and has been for much of the last year. Quite why we're allowing tourists in from other countries beats me, when hotels and holiday lets are closed as still are most indoor attractions. Freight really still needs to come in, and mostly comes in via the tunnel or Dover port so in reality there's probably little we can do for a total closure anyway. The closest you could do is having a British lorry take a trailer off a foreign one at the port or when they drive off the tunnel swapping trailers with another one then turning back and vice versa. But I suppose that would cause delays and other logistics issues or we'd be doing it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    It's an argument which never really made much sense to me.
    The easiest way to bring people to your point of view and get them together is to give them a common opponent.

    In that case, the European Union and immigrants were the „bogeyman“.

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    The easiest way to bring people to your point of view and get them together is to give them a common opponent.

    In that case, the European Union and immigrants were the „bogeyman“.
    Well yes. But I don't like the EU much (as I'm sure is obvious by now lol) and immigration I'm a bit more pragmatic on, because it's contributed a lot to this country's culture over the years (think about what options we have for takeaways and who runs them for example). Also what's English anyway? The current royal family came over from Germany, as indeed did they for a while, before then it was Dutch, Spanish, French, 1066 was the last time we were invaded, but before then it was Scandinavia, Germany, Romans... Is before that what British is? And how close are we to identifying with it? Not very. The MUH IMMIGRANTS argument is simply racist ignorant bigotry.

    That said, I don't see why we are having asylum seekers from somewhere like Syria or Tunisia or whatever when they've clearly passed through several "safe" countries, and ideally, they should be stopping at the first one. Nor do I think that it actually makes us safer as you have no idea if they have terrorist sympathies, but then, note that the London '05 bombers were born in Yorkshire.

    I'm not convinced it's working on the "making your enemy's enemy your friend" concept either.

    I think it's been widely established (and hauling this more on topic) that in the last year or so the gov have been engaging with behavioural psychologists. This is mainly because they don't trust the population to do what they are told and comply with the lockdown restrictions. So they have been brought in with the remit of scaring us into complying - actually, given that coronavirus does kill a lot of people and likes people to mix, on the face of it, that's not a bad thing, but it can go too far. And the likes of the people running the gov's SM (I think Lynton Crosby is still involved, and he helped both Cameron win 2010 and 2015 elections as well as Boris' Mayor election so has been around for a while) and similar was going on with Vote Leave, so it's been going on for a while. How many people just believe what they are told, still wetting the bed at any mention of covid? When the risk is a lot less severe here than probably at any point in the last 18 months.

    There is even a lady on SAGE who is a behavioural psychologist who is a fully paid up member of the communist party, no jokes. I get that diversity of views is good on such things but really.

    It all really depends how much you actually trust politicians, and let's not forget, these people have a career reputation for mendacity.

    Thing is, I'm not even anti-restrictions, anti-distancing, lockdowns, etc. It is necessary at the point when people are at risk of severe illness and death in a large number, for example India. But, we are no longer there. Save for another variant which can evade the vaccines, which hasn't happened yet, pretty much everyone at risk of severe covid illness has now been offered a vaccine, everything is on target to remove everything on 21/6 (and understandably can't really happen sooner, that is fair enough, though in principle you could relax all now and nothing would happen majorly) and absolutely the restrictions domestically shouldn't last any more than they have to (international travel is still too risky). If we're having to show papers, scan apps, and wear face nappies to go anywhere over the summer, when no-one's getting covid (which may still be not fantasy) then the restrictions are way disproportionate to even the potential risk and are unnecessary. You'd imagine people would then start to take matters into their own hands.


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    That's it, I'm off. You won't see me on here ever again until tomorrow. Unless I get bored tonight, which I probably will because there's no Rotherham game. But until then, have a nice life. 🖕🖕🖕


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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis Benali (on loan) View Post
    That's it, I'm off. You won't see me on here ever again until tomorrow. Unless I get bored tonight, which I probably will because there's no Rotherham game. But until then, have a nice life.
    You should change your username to Flouncer Benali (on loan).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    Well yes. But I don't like the EU much (as I'm sure is obvious by now lol) and immigration I'm a bit more pragmatic on, because it's contributed a lot to this country's culture over the years (think about what options we have for takeaways and who runs them for example). Also what's English anyway? The current royal family came over from Germany, as indeed did they for a while, before then it was Dutch, Spanish, French, 1066 was the last time we were invaded, but before then it was Scandinavia, Germany, Romans... Is before that what British is? And how close are we to identifying with it? Not very. The MUH IMMIGRANTS argument is simply racist ignorant bigotry.

    That said, I don't see why we are having asylum seekers from somewhere like Syria or Tunisia or whatever when they've clearly passed through several "safe" countries, and ideally, they should be stopping at the first one. Nor do I think that it actually makes us safer as you have no idea if they have terrorist sympathies, but then, note that the London '05 bombers were born in Yorkshire.

    I'm not convinced it's working on the "making your enemy's enemy your friend" concept either.

    I think it's been widely established (and hauling this more on topic) that in the last year or so the gov have been engaging with behavioural psychologists. This is mainly because they don't trust the population to do what they are told and comply with the lockdown restrictions. So they have been brought in with the remit of scaring us into complying - actually, given that coronavirus does kill a lot of people and likes people to mix, on the face of it, that's not a bad thing, but it can go too far. And the likes of the people running the gov's SM (I think Lynton Crosby is still involved, and he helped both Cameron win 2010 and 2015 elections as well as Boris' Mayor election so has been around for a while) and similar was going on with Vote Leave, so it's been going on for a while. How many people just believe what they are told, still wetting the bed at any mention of covid? When the risk is a lot less severe here than probably at any point in the last 18 months.

    There is even a lady on SAGE who is a behavioural psychologist who is a fully paid up member of the communist party, no jokes. I get that diversity of views is good on such things but really.

    It all really depends how much you actually trust politicians, and let's not forget, these people have a career reputation for mendacity.

    Thing is, I'm not even anti-restrictions, anti-distancing, lockdowns, etc. It is necessary at the point when people are at risk of severe illness and death in a large number, for example India. But, we are no longer there. Save for another variant which can evade the vaccines, which hasn't happened yet, pretty much everyone at risk of severe covid illness has now been offered a vaccine, everything is on target to remove everything on 21/6 (and understandably can't really happen sooner, that is fair enough, though in principle you could relax all now and nothing would happen majorly) and absolutely the restrictions domestically shouldn't last any more than they have to (international travel is still too risky). If we're having to show papers, scan apps, and wear face nappies to go anywhere over the summer, when no-one's getting covid (which may still be not fantasy) then the restrictions are way disproportionate to even the potential risk and are unnecessary. You'd imagine people would then start to take matters into their own hands.
    On the coronavirus and restrictions, I’d rather take heed of the scientists on the SAGE committee than a bloke who plays with his organ behind the choir.


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    Would you trust this either though? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...ropaganda.html


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