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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymondo Ponte' View Post
    Said earlier in the season, coach Yates in front of goal all of his training time.

    Put a thousand crosses onto his juff in the penalty area every single training session to nod them past Samba, nothing else.

    But they haven't with the look of things.
    There hasn't been enough time on the training pitch to even do that this season.

    With a full pre-season behind him I hope we see improvements in not only his finishing but his care for the ball where he has enough time to work on things.


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    Agreed Ratz and we dont often agree


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    Wonder if we could have a look at Joe Gelhardt as well for that position out wide right.

    Definitely need to pick someone up in summer. As it currently stands we've got an ineffectual Knockaert's loan expiring and a seemingly perma-crocked Lolley and that's it (no, Ameobi is definitely cannot play wide right as an inside forward).

    One of the two positions (the other being up front) that could justify a decent outlay for the right player.

    30/09/2021: It's only 8 points to the play-offs. Doesn't matter if we're 20th having lost three times as many games as we've won so far. I fancy us now that Hughton's gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Ferguson did nothing malign to him. He signed Keane because he recognised that he hated losing as much as he did, but more importantly, he was a born-leader who could play.
    Yes you are probably right. It just felt like Ferguson taking an E type jag and bashing it into Landrover.... I guess what made Roy great (in retrospect) was not only his desire to win but also his ability to see what the team needed from him and then have the talent and desire to put that on the pitch week in week out. He saw that at Forest there were umpteen players good enough to put the ball into gaps going forward and he provided an object lesson in how to be a box to box midfielder, in a side that needed that additional cutting edge. He had to change at Man U, of course. I didn't like what he became, mainly because he seemingly lost his silky instinctive forward running in exchange for the snarl and bite, that to be fair was always but wasn't the defining part of his game with us. He was such a hero of mine and definitely one of the CM pair in the Forest team of my lifetime...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheapseats View Post
    Yes, but we can all dream.
    Those days seem almost sepia tinted now they are so long ago. My god young Roy was some player-I hated what he turned into under that bastard Ferguson.....
    To be fair, he turned into the best midfielder in Europe, but I agree with, he could've been so much more. Fergie limited his game when it was ready to flourish. If only he'd got peak Clough managing him, he'd be talked about in hushed tones like Beckenbauer and Cruyff, instead he's just thought of as a midfield bruiser. Criminal really.

    It was the same with Scholes. A truly natural no. 10, forced to play as a central midfielder. At any other club he would've been a red card walking because he couldn't tackle. I almost think Fergie did it to spite England.


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    Ferguson did whatever he did with Keane and Scholes for no other reason than to win trophies. Cloughie would have done the very same if it meant more silverwear..


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    The idea that one of the most successful and most complete midfielders to ever play in this country was held back by Ferguson is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever read on here. Equally, the notion that Ferguson limited players whereas as Clough let them fly freely is the stuff of myth rather than reality.

    As Otis said, both managers had a history of getting players to do a job for them, whether it was sticking Francis on the wing, converting Burns from a striker, or playing Keane as a centre back.

    THE TRUTH IS THERE AND WITH IT I GO TO THE END OF THE WORLD .

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    Still remember Nigel - in an injury crisis - playing centre back at Old Trafford.

    Played as if he’d done it all of his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    The idea that one of the most successful and most complete midfielders to ever play in this country was held back by Ferguson is one of the weirdest things I’ve ever read on here. Equally, the notion that Ferguson limited players whereas as Clough let them fly freely is the stuff of myth rather than reality.

    As Otis said, both managers had a history of getting players to do a job for them, whether it was sticking Francis on the wing, converting Burns from a striker, or playing Keane as a centre back.
    Maybe not „held back“, but there seemed to be a definite reluctance for Ferguson to play Scholes in his preferred position as a goalscoring attacking midfielder, given the (at the time…) rigorous adherence to 4-4-2.

    There was certainly a feeling in Manchester that Scholes could have featured earlier, and been more effective as a goalscorer, had he not had to remain tactically disciplined in central midfield.

    (Scholes did start out as a striker, as anyone who may remember him playing for England under-15 against Sweden at the City Ground waaaaay back when will attest to. It was just not Scholes though, England also featured a young lad from Spurs in central midfield, by the name of Sulezeer Campbell!)

    Keane though, could have played anywhere on the pitch. Folk may forget, when he first went to Manchester, he played a considerable amount of games at Right Back, so that they could get him on the pitch.

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    Scholes always had that bit of devil about him though Chris, even as a striker, and so I guess Ferguson made a concious decision where he could best utilise that.

    PS certainly has enough winners-medals to fully justify that decision.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Maybe not „held back“, but there seemed to be a definite reluctance for Ferguson to play Scholes in his preferred position as a goalscoring attacking midfielder, given the (at the time…) rigorous adherence to 4-4-2.

    There was certainly a feeling in Manchester that Scholes could have featured earlier, and been more effective as a goalscorer, had he not had to remain tactically disciplined in central midfield.

    (Scholes did start out as a striker, as anyone who may remember him playing for England under-15 against Sweden at the City Ground waaaaay back when will attest to. It was just not Scholes though, England also featured a young lad from Spurs in central midfield, by the name of Sulezeer Campbell!)

    Keane though, could have played anywhere on the pitch. Folk may forget, when he first went to Manchester, he played a considerable amount of games at Right Back, so that they could get him on the pitch.
    Maybe, although I’d trust the judgement of a hugely successful manager like Ferguson on what a player’s best position was over most other people’s.

    It’s a team game, and creating a succession of ‘whole is greater than the sum of the parts’ teams which won every trophy in sight, multiple times, says Ferguson was right in his handling of Scholes.


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    I remember reading somewhere this loan was pretty much a done deal, sure seems to have not been the case.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nffclsr View Post
    I remember reading somewhere this loan was pretty much a done deal, sure seems to have not been the case.
    Was that "somewhere" on the internet by any chance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by nffclsr View Post
    I remember reading somewhere this loan was pretty much a done deal, sure seems to have not been the case.
    He was at Stoke last season and seemed to do ok but then injured his Achilles - so right up our street


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Was that "somewhere" on the internet by any chance?
    Probably the post's website but I'm not sure, seems about as reliable as the rest of their articles over the past 10-20 years.


 

 

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