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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    They can't afford him. Especially Birmingham, who are in deep shit again financially by the looks of things.
    They were my thoughts mate. Which got me wondering why if they can afford him, why can't we?

    Prob just paper talk of course, they prob can't like you say, but I'd be gutted to see him go to either of those without us having a pop.


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    Scored just 1 more goal than Walker in the same league. Walker is the same age as Toney.

    Walker is already ours if we want him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thehockleyhustler View Post
    Scored just 1 more goal than Walker in the same league. Walker is the same age as Toney.

    Walker is already ours if we want him.

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    If Walker was at Posh , I wonder how many clubs would be after him , Maybe we should sell him to Posh then they can sell him back to us next year for 8m .

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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Quote Originally Posted by thehockleyhustler View Post
    Scored just 1 more goal than Walker in the same league. Walker is the same age as Toney.

    Walker is already ours if we want him.

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    Cost allowing for Toney, any reason why we couldn't have both here?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    Cost allowing for Toney, any reason why we couldn't have both here?
    We only play one up front and already have arguably the best striker in the league. So money better spent elsewhere, even if we do have it.


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    Is he Jack Marriott Mk2?


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    Is he Jack Marriott Mk2?
    Very different type of player.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Quote Originally Posted by Timothy Pope View Post
    Is he Jack Marriott Mk2?



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    So long as he's not Soudani MK2

    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    We only play one up front and already have arguably the best striker in the league. So money better spent elsewhere, even if we do have it.
    We only play one up front because we don't have a second striker though.

    No reason for me you couldn't find a place to play all 3 Grabs, Toney & Walker in rotation & together as suited.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    More chance of Swiss Ton(e)y. 4LhXdl7t9XMrhmyliJU76vxcmwd.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    We only play one up front because we don't have a second striker though.
    Even if we had 10 strikers on the books, playing with two upfront would be a terrible idea as our current squad isn't capable of playing with a two man midfield.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Even if we had 10 strikers on the books, playing with two upfront would be a terrible idea as our current squad isn't capable of playing with a two man midfield.
    Exactly. Playing one up-top is clearly SL's preferred formation, and it's been a successful one for him so far.

    He would obviously like other striker options, but certainly not to alter the starting shape of the side.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Will he pass the eye-sight test?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashley View Post
    Even if we had 10 strikers on the books, playing with two upfront would be a terrible idea as our current squad isn't capable of playing with a two man midfield.
    3-5-2, sign said midfielders, or as an option for the last 20.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    Exactly. Playing one up-top is clearly SL's preferred formation, and it's been a successful one for him so far.

    He would obviously like other striker options, but certainly not to alter the starting shape of the side.
    He's had to play 1 striker because he's only had 1 striker, and no real cover.

    Without having a real second striker option, I wouldn't be confident dismissing it as something Lamouchi wouldn't use myself.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    3-5-2, sign said midfielders, or as an option for the last 20.
    Not a big fan of the 3-5-2 - as it doesn't seem to match up well against the modern 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 formations. The wide attacking players can easily pin back the wing backs, the midfield ends up being a three and consequently gets over-run by the additional opposition numbers and the three centre-backs, incapable of stepping up and offering anything in a midfield sense (looking at you, Figs, Worral, Daws) end up all wasted marking one striker.
    Of course, it CAN work, like any formation - just highlighting where it goes wrong.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Not a big fan of the 3-5-2 - as it doesn't seem to match up well against the modern 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 formations. The wide attacking players can easily pin back the wing backs, the midfield ends up being a three and consequently gets over-run by the additional opposition numbers and the three centre-backs, incapable of stepping up and offering anything in a midfield sense (looking at you, Figs, Worral, Daws) end up all wasted marking one striker.
    Of course, it CAN work, like any formation - just highlighting where it goes wrong.
    Yeah course, that's fair enough.

    I just don't think it's as hard to find room for 3 strikers in the squad as folk on this thread are making out. Especially in a team which, whilst only playing one up front, has seen both Ameobi & Adomah play there this season.

    Personally I'd have 4. Grabban the main main, someone like Murray as primary assist or cover, then Toney & Walker grabbing chances as they arise & providing quality deep cover.

    As Grabban & Murray age, Toney & Walker transition into their places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Not a big fan of the 3-5-2 - as it doesn't seem to match up well against the modern 4-5-1/4-4-1-1 formations. The wide attacking players can easily pin back the wing backs, the midfield ends up being a three and consequently gets over-run by the additional opposition numbers and the three centre-backs, incapable of stepping up and offering anything in a midfield sense (looking at you, Figs, Worral, Daws) end up all wasted marking one striker.
    Of course, it CAN work, like any formation - just highlighting where it goes wrong.
    It works best when a side has either a ball-playing Sweeper in the „Libero“ role who is comfortable stepping in to midfield between two man-markers at the back, or where there is a mobile Defensive Midfielder who can pass the ball about as well as breaking up play?

    Germany used to be a massive exponent of the 3-5-2, they won Euro 96 playing that way, but Mattias Sammer was probably Germany’s last truly great Sweeper, and clubs don’t seem to produce that kind of player anymore, who has the physical attributes of a centre half but the playmaking ability of a central midfielder.

    Given also that the modern full-back is much more of an athlete than even 20 years ago, teams are happy having two proper athletic players in the deeper positions because those two have the fitness and pace to get up into midfield to support attacks, and back to track opposing attackers.

    Many sides have even pushed attacking midfielders back into full back positions (Man U did it with both Ashley Young and Antonio Valencia) and of course, Forest have done it with Matty Cash.

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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    It works best when a side has either a ball-playing Sweeper in the „Libero“ role who is comfortable stepping in to midfield between two man-markers at the back, or where there is a mobile Defensive Midfielder who can pass the ball about as well as breaking up play?
    Agreed. But can you see any of centre-backs having the capability to do that?

    Although I do agree with Alf, I'd like to have the players in the squad that give us the option to play multiple formations. Ideally we'd also have a number of versatile players in the starting 11, who could play different roles needed to make the formations work, so we can transition smoothly between them without having to make 2-3 subs just to make it work. At the moment, we're constrained to pretty much one basic formation. We're pretty good at it, but we have no alternatives.


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    Not sure many teams use the libero in 3-5-2 anymore - as you say, Sammer was probably the last great sweeper of any nationality.

    The trend in a back three these days seems to be for the inclusion of a converted full back, due to their better mobility. It was Conte's innovation at Chelsea (he converted Azpilicueta) and it won them their last league title; Southgate aped it at the World Cup, using Kyle Walker as the leg man.

    Aside from going like for like, it's probably the best formation for countering a 4-3-3/4-5-1. If the opposition's wingers are pinning back your backs, you're doing it wrong - that's pretty much the opposite of the intended effect.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    Mattias Sammer, though.

    What a player!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Itsy-bitsy Bonatini Yellow Polkadot Bikini View Post
    Aside from going like for like, it's probably the best formation for countering a 4-3-3/4-5-1. If the opposition's wingers are pinning back your backs, you're doing it wrong - that's pretty much the opposite of the intended effect.
    It happens too easily though, because, in effect, the opposition has a winger and a full-back on each side and the 3-5-2 team only has a wing-back - if your wing-back doesn't take the initiative early, they'll easily get spooked by the overlap.

    As with all formations though, players make it work - the formation doesn't make the players work.


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    Default Re: [BUPA] Ivan Toney

    The CB's need to be brave with their positioning in a back 3, play too deep & narrow and you end up with a flat back 5 and lose out on overloads further up the pitch.

    I actually thought the way we finished last season, essentially a 3-4-2-1 with Lolley/Carvalho playing tucked in on either side, looked like something we could build on. We have the players - proper wing back options on both flanks, loads of CB's, including two left-footers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-aSemedoBlueJeans&Chinos View Post
    3-5-2, sign said midfielders, or as an option for the last 20.



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    Going 352 would most likely mean dropping Lolley, our most creative player. Thus leaving the two strikers starved of service.

    I wouldn't be opposed to going 442 if we signed two quality midfielders, but I don't see that happening in this window.


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    I wouldnt see the need to move Watson from the '1' at this point. He has been superb at anticipating threats, recycling possession, and organising and orchestrating the team. He does also frequently slot into a back 3 as part of his role. I also dont see a problem the 1 up front. Grabban is ideal in the role.

    The area we need more is in attacking midfield and out wide. Again, I dont think changing the formation is what is needed. 4141 is working fine. We are in the top 6. What is needed is more pace, more quality in the attacking third, and a back up/variation to Grabban.

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