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  1. #3651
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    I don't believe he's on £35k a week. He came from a Premier League club sure but he couldn't get a game there and he had no other suitors (for a permanent deal anyway) apart from Forest. Plus, the PL club was Bournemouth, who weren't going to be paying him loads to start with.

    He's probably on 2 something, and if we offer him a two year extension we should be able to get that down to 1 something. Even at the top end of that range, you're talking £2m in total for the 2 year extension, which probably offers better value than signing a new player who will either cost a transfer fee or a hefty signing on fee if on a bosman, plus wages - with no guarantee the player will fit in.

    Makes sense to give Grabban at least an extra year if not two for me, and plan to phase him out over that timeframe with a younger alternative.

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    Default Re: Lewis Grabban

    you lot really turn this forum into a sewing circle sometimes...

    15k 25k 35k - I mean....


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    Important to note grabban has played more games for Forest than any other club in his career IIRC. We’re as close to a home as he’s ever had. Perhaps why he’s been made captain.

    I’d like to see him stay for another couple years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post
    Important to note grabban has played more games for Forest than any other club in his career IIRC. We’re as close to a home as he’s ever had. Perhaps why he’s been made captain.

    I’d like to see him stay for another couple years.
    I think we all would Matt, provided he doesn't do a Dawson and provided the sums are tolerable.
    I actually think its a very difficult contract the last one at this stage in a good servants career-logic and stats suggests that the player won't play the same number of games as previously and similarly hes statistically less likely to be as effective, so the sums underpinning the contract should reflect that. So often though players (and agents) want to squeeze the pips and its why so many half decent players end up heading out to Asia or Saudi or somewhere similar at this stage.

    I'd hope there would be some sort of compromise that rewards Lewis and keeps him here but also doesn't knock a chunk out of our financial plan for the next couple of years.


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    We're not likely to be signing Ronaldo or Ibrahimović any time soon.

    So back in the land of relevancey, Andy Cole, Jonathan Greening, Neil Lennon and George Boateng are just 4, ahem 'seasoned pros' (with far better pedigrees than Grabban) who we did actually sign, and who were utter toss by the time their mid 30s rolled around.

    Regrettably things start going south around that age, whether you like it or not!

    Last edited by Frank Clarks Tash; 14-11-21 at 10:01.

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    I suppose we are fortunate that Lewis is actually playing at the club, and thus under close scrutiny. Unlike some of those mentioned who just turned up out of the darkness and sorted their pensions, with no proper due diligence.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Clarks Tash View Post
    We're not likely to be signing Ronaldo or Ibrahimović any time soon.

    So back in the land of relevancey, Andy Cole, Jonathan Greening, Neil Lennon and George Boateng are just 4, ahem 'seasoned pros' (with far better pedigrees than Grabban) who we did actually sign, and who were utter toss by the time their mid 30s rolled around.

    Regrettably things start going south around that age, whether you like it or not!
    Like VP said, the major difference being that we signed them without knowing what they would play like under us. Grabban has been here and done the business and continues to do so. Putting his situation side by side to those who were brought in isn't a fair comparison.

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    Last edited by Notcher; 14-11-21 at 13:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Clarks Tash View Post
    We're not likely to be signing Ronaldo or Ibrahimović any time soon.

    So back in the land of relevancey, Andy Cole, Jonathan Greening, Neil Lennon and George Boateng are just 4, ahem 'seasoned pros' (with far better pedigrees than Grabban) who we did actually sign, and who were utter toss by the time their mid 30s rolled around.

    Regrettably things start going south around that age, whether you like it or not!
    I’d be inclined to agree with you if we were talking about giving Grabban a 3 year deal. Lennon was 36 when we signed him, Cole 37 and Boateng 36. Admittedly Greening was 32 but Grabban has already shown more than he did at an older age.

    Grabban will be 34 in January.

    For comparison, Cole was still scoring regularly in the Premier League at 35, Celtic were still turning down PL bids for Lennon at 35 and Boateng played 29 times in the Premier League at 34/35.

    No argument from me that they were all shot by the time we signed them, but there’s a big difference between a 34 year old who has looked after himself and a 37 year old. The dropoff from year to year at the end of players’ careers shows that.

    Grabban would still be an asset in this league next season, so I’d definitely offer him another year, then take it from there. As soon as he noticeably drops off, let some other mugs be the Forest to his Andy Cole.

    But until then, I’d definitely keep him around.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Notcher View Post
    Like VP said, the major difference being that we signed them without knowing what they would play like under us. Grabban has been here and done the business and continues to do so. Putting his situation side by side to those who were brought is isn't a fair comparison.

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    It is not like Grabban is showing clear decline either.

    For me, he is the exact same player he was when he joined.


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    He's on far too much money but deserves another year.

    There's a new mosque being built in West Bridgford isn't there? He can pop in there before matches and say a prayer for a win !!


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    Very good noises being made by Lewis regarding him staying. Says he is happy here and would like to stay as long as he can. Hopefully we can nail him down to a one year extension with an option for another year. I think that would be the sensible approach for all parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Clarks Tash View Post
    We're not likely to be signing Ronaldo or Ibrahimović any time soon.

    So back in the land of relevancey, Andy Cole, Jonathan Greening, Neil Lennon and George Boateng are just 4, ahem 'seasoned pros' (with far better pedigrees than Grabban) who we did actually sign, and who were utter toss by the time their mid 30s rolled around.

    Regrettably things start going south around that age, whether you like it or not!
    The attitude of the player needs taking into account, Billy Sharp, Kevin Phillips, Jamie Vardy, were or are still banging in the goals past 34/35. Some players are naturally gifted but poor trainers, others are not naturally gifted but work hard to stay fit other (like Ronaldo) are both and stay at the top of the game their whole career. Youl find the players that had to work hard will stay playing longer as they will train hard to stay up there.

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    34 in Jan, it's a tricky decision.

    I'd like to see him stay though for sure.


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    I would have him stay providing he takes less money, on saturday it was criminal he didnt pass the ball and that comes from someone who played as a striker. Football is about percentages and I have no problem in striker taking pot shots but if someone is in a better position and literally has a tap in you have to pass.

    As a striker I enjoyed assists as well as goals thats the attitude to have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    I would have him stay providing he takes less money, on saturday it was criminal he didnt pass the ball and that comes from someone who played as a striker. Football is about percentages and I have no problem in striker taking pot shots but if someone is in a better position and literally has a tap in you have to pass.

    As a striker I enjoyed assists as well as goals thats the attitude to have.
    He made the chance himself and absolutely had every right to take the shot. He looked up before either player got across the goal so he got his head down and worked his angle.

    No complaints from me. The ironic thing about th ‘he should have passed’ brigade is when he did square it Garner missed the ball in front of an empty net!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt View Post

    No complaints from me. The ironic thing about th ‘he should have passed’ brigade is when he did square it Garner missed the ball in front of an empty net!
    That was Grabban's fault too.

    He should have shot.

    Any good striker would have backed himself to score....


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    One tactical point I did not understand was keeping Grabban on the side throughout the game. OK, it makes sense for part of the game but when you have your best attacker far from his normal position throughout the match you make things easier for the defenders. The trick might make sense with Johnson as a false nine but it made zero sense with Zinkernagel in the middle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    One tactical point I did not understand was keeping Grabban on the side throughout the game. OK, it makes sense for part of the game but when you have your best attacker far from his normal position throughout the match you make things easier for the defenders. The trick might make sense with Johnson as a false nine but it made zero sense with Zinkernagel in the middle.
    He worked back on the left supporting Bong a lot.
    Grabs is often quite selfless so I wonder if it was a tactical issue to help out with Lowe being out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GreeksBearingGifts View Post
    One tactical point I did not understand was keeping Grabban on the side throughout the game. OK, it makes sense for part of the game but when you have your best attacker far from his normal position throughout the match you make things easier for the defenders. The trick might make sense with Johnson as a false nine but it made zero sense with Zinkernagel in the middle.
    That is common if you play against a team that play with a lot of width and you have a back 3.

    The two wide men split and the attacking midfielder stays central to occupy the strikers role. If one doesn't stay up it becomes negative & WBA don't mess about with it at the back, they just boot it forward so it makes having 2 upfront almost pointless. Your strikers cover out wide, that stops the opponent from switching it side to side with their wingbacks unmarked.

    Man Utd / Man City the other week, City's wing backs were just constantly free and Man Utd had 2 men upfront doing nothing whilst their wingback is 2v1 all game, was like playing with 10 men.

    As Ray also said probably to help Bong out a bit as well. You don't want a 1 v 1 with Bong nevermind a 2 v 1.


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    Default Re: Lewis Grabban

    He is playing really well at the minute (who isn't?) and looks like he is really enjoying his football, he seems more than happy to do his defending out wide like I said he was doing above.


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    Default Re: Lewis Grabban

    I love when he does that turn of pace to beat a fullback, think he did it previously against Coopers Swansea under Sabri lol.


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    Best we've ever seen him in a Forest shirt in his most forward-thinking Forest team he has played in?


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Best we've ever seen him in a Forest shirt in his most forward-thinking Forest team he has played in?
    He must be relishing finally getting to play in a team like this after having to feed off scraps for so long.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Best we've ever seen him in a Forest shirt in his most forward-thinking Forest team he has played in?
    I'd say so.

    I've been critical of him in the past, but he's certainly pulled his finger out of late.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    I'd say so.

    I've been critical of him in the past, but he's certainly pulled his finger out of late.
    Sometimes it is the case that some players will try harder for one manager over another, but I honestly don't think that was the case with Grabban.

    He always looked to be running around for Hughton, often dropping deep into midfield to help with low-line tactics in order to retrieve the ball.

    The tactics and lack of service was stifling him. He was made captain under Hughton (which many suspected was too much of a burden and causing him to lose form) and is still captain.

    If he wasn't putting in the effort, I don't think he would have remained captain under both.


 

 

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