Jack Colback

[ben_b]

Fred? Flintstone?

Bachirou, the midfielder who we signed to give us a bit of energy. How long do we give Colback before he “comes good”? Hes played in almost every game this season and we re 20th in the league. I think Hughton will persist with them because of “experience” but it’s not doing us much good.

[Advert Break]

[Forest ash]

Clearly not.

Must have that cheat on

[Statto]

Must have that cheat on

No cheats, just a 35 yr old Italian target man free transfer (Sammy C failed his medical), a few better squad players, and playing a balanced system

[congo_red]

Bachirou, the midfielder who we signed to give us a bit of energy.

The one who has been out injured since the first game of the season and still is? I’m all for giving a manger fair criticism, but criticism for not picking players who aren’t available seem a bit harsh.

[Statto]

Alex is a full blown yank on this too.

[ben_b]

The one who has been out injured since the first game of the season and still is? I’m all for giving a manger fair criticism, but criticism for not picking players who aren’t available seem a bit harsh.

Give Cafu a chance then, or a one legged Sow, our best midfield performances have already come from him this season.

[congo_red]

Give Cafu a chance then, or a one legged Sow, our best midfield performances have already come from him this season.

Not seen enough of Cafu to know if he’s a pub player or not. Wow needs a bionic leg. But yeah, go with that then.

[Mr Redreason]

Guedioura, Silva....much derided players when they were here, but fucking hell we could do with that kind of player playing on the half turn now.

Colback is an out & out sitter who just needs a simple forward option. Enter Arter, the more progressive central midfielder who picks the forward passes, it just feels that simple. Yet we peresevere with Yates, who isnt showing for the ball.

Just play Arter & Colback, give them time to form a partnership going forwards.

Couldn't agree more. Colback has had some stick but he's actually been ok. He shows for the ball infinitely more than Yates and is much better on the ball.. both of them are very 'game in front and sit deep' players. Every team we play, centre mid seems to have some fluidity in the middle yet we're very static.

Colback and Arter in then middle (Yates as an option to bring on)

Guerrera or Freeman advanced

Lolley, Knockheart out wide (Ameobi option to come on)

Taylor up top..



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[Forest ash]

No cheats, just a 35 yr old Italian target man free transfer (Sammy C failed his medical), a few better squad players, and playing a balanced system

Sammy Clingan?

[Forest ash]

Not seen enough of Cafu to know if he’s a pub player or not. Wow needs a bionic leg. But yeah, go with that then.

I’d rather have Samba Wow then Samba Sow at this point

[MaxiRobriguez]

No

People spout utter shite regarding players, positions, how they play, what they do, what should be done in certain positions blah blah


If the tactics have to be that elaborate as written on some of the last 25/30 posts in this thread for Nottingham Forest to get 3 points with the players at there disposal then we have no chance

Chill, it's just a discussion forum. Perhaps I speak for myself but I prefer reading posts from people that take the time to analyse stuff rather than just "ffs we are not very good deal with it", regardless of the opinion they end up conclude.

[Forest ash]

Chill, it's just a discussion forum. Perhaps I speak for myself but I prefer reading posts from people that take the time to analyse stuff rather than just "ffs we are not very good deal with it", regardless of the opinion they end up conclude.

Yes but they talk and write like they have been there and done that

I guarantee most on this forum haven’t even played Sunday league

[MaxiRobriguez]

Yes but they talk and write like they have been there and done that

I guarantee most on this forum haven’t even played Sunday league

Doesn't matter if it's interesting to read.

[ben_b]

I’d rather have Samba Wow then Samba Sow at this point

Samba Sow has started 3 league games this season and we ve won 2 of them, cant argue with those stats. It was the same last season.

[Strummer]

Yes but they talk and write like they have been there and done that

I guarantee most on this forum haven’t even played Sunday league

You don’t have to have played at the highest levels to have coached there though.

Wherever level you’ve played at, if it’s even half-competitive, then it’ll give you an insight into the tactical side of the game.

Modern football is all about that nowadays, it’s not like the 70s anymore. For all the jokes about tiki-taka football, there’s a set scheme behind it, and the players have it drilled in to them what is expected, where they should make runs, where they should cover space and look to pass.

Also, the Television-enthused tactical analysis now is massive.

[Forest ash]

You don’t have to have played at the highest levels to have coached there though.

Wherever level you’ve played at, if it’s even half-competitive, then it’ll give you an insight into the tactical side of the game.

Modern football is all about that nowadays, it’s not like the 70s anymore. For all the jokes about tiki-taka football, there’s a set scheme behind it, and the players have it drilled in to them what is expected, where they should make runs, where they should cover space and look to pass.

Also, the Television-enthused tactical analysis now is massive.

Yep all true but you haven’t got to go in to the depths of where Yates should be positioned alongside colback as some posts have on here to understand that Yates is not good enough at this level and that is the reason why he doesn’t work with colback

[Mr Redreason]

Yep all true but you haven’t got to go in to the depths of where Yates should be positioned alongside colback as some posts have on here to understand that Yates is not good enough at this level and that is the reason why he doesn’t work with colback

I don't think he's good enough either, he seems to do ok and work hard when we don't have the ball and can make some good passes when he has time to choose and get the ball from under his feet. Unfortunately, games and the ball rarely presents itself in that way. Colback is better on the ball and sits deep, Yates works hard without the ball and sits deep and for me therein lies the problem.
If we're going to play both then we may as well play the one that's better on the ball although Colback needs to pass forward far more often. This isn't always his fault though, in the middle, quite often, we don't have anybody further forward and Yates never takes that initiative. The better mix would be Arter and Colback with a Freeman/Geurrera (sp) further forward.
I can't think where but I was reading, perhaps Worrall on the Athletic?, that Sabri didn't ask his team to sit deep and soak up it just happened that way which would really imply that the selection of players dictates how deep midfielders sit. Whether we like it or not, both Yates and Colback are MUCH happier trying to protect the back four and take zero risks when picking a pass. If we include both we're never going to attack with any fluidity down the middle of the pitch.

Billy Davies played two 'deeper' centre midfielders in some games. Those two players were Chris Cohen and Andy Reid. Neither Colback or Yates are fit to lace their boots. Pick one, Mr Hughton and let's try and pass the ball forward more often.

[MaxiRobriguez]

Yep all true but you haven’t got to go in to the depths of where Yates should be positioned alongside colback as some posts have on here to understand that Yates is not good enough at this level and that is the reason why he doesn’t work with colback

That's your opinion not a certified fact. Perhaps rather than blaming Yates the real answer is "ffs we are not just very good deal with it"?

[Forest ash]

That's your opinion not a certified fact. Perhaps rather than blaming Yates the real answer is "ffs we are not just very good deal with it"?

I haven’t blamed Ryan Yates for anything

[MaxiRobriguez]

I haven’t blamed Ryan Yates for anything

Your argument seems to be that no one should bother posting anything detailed because:
1) They haven't played football to a decent standard so can't know and
2) With no hint of irony, the problem is Ryan Yates isn't good enough at this level.

May I suggest we need more defenders?

[Forest ash]

Your argument seems to be that no one should bother posting anything detailed because:
1) They haven't played football to a decent standard so can't know and
2) With no hint of irony, the problem is Ryan Yates isn't good enough at this level.

May I suggest we need more defenders?

I never suggested people shouldn’t post I just said I sense a lot of “football manager” posts in this thread

Football is quite a simple game. Reading on this forum at times you’d think it was nigh on quantum physics

[valspoodle]

I think a lot of complex posting is done to show a bit of one-upmanship, how much we all know about football, but some know just a bit more.

[Dirk Furtull]

As a bonefido footy expert I can tell you we've got bigger problems than Ryan Yates.


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[Mr Fossil]

That's your opinion not a certified fact. Perhaps rather than blaming Yates the real answer is "ffs we are not just very good deal with it"?

I think they're both true tbf.

We're just not very good.

Yates isn't good enough.

But we might be a bit better if Yates didn't play. As performances and results in his absence have repeatedly shown.

[Mr Fossil]

Couldn't agree more. Colback has had some stick but he's actually been ok. He shows for the ball infinitely more than Yates and is much better on the ball.. both of them are very 'game in front and sit deep' players. Every team we play, centre mid seems to have some fluidity in the middle yet we're very static.

Colback and Arter in then middle (Yates as an option to bring on)

Guerrera or Freeman advanced

Lolley, Knockheart out wide (Ameobi option to come on)

Taylor up top..



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At the sake of being a bit old school in light of the like button......THIS.