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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
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    I am going to close my discussions with you on an agreement.

    I agree that if we buy 18 new players, all of whom are better than our existing players, then we stand a much better chance of being promoted and we probably won't need Ryan Yates to play at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmmersonForest4 View Post
    Saying that its only stats you have to consider stats as well what you see. Stats arent everything but they arent nothing as well. I agree about results and currently with the personel we have you probably play Yates if it yields more points but thats because in my view we are prone to individual errors and playing Yates is more about not getting relegated than getting promoted. if we want promotion in my view you will need either individual errors to stop by better coaching or better quality.

    Also I totally agree if with Yates we yield more points than play him but I dont think its a strategy in the long term to gain us more points for promotion. We need better and not just from him its a few players.
    I'd say we would have 6 points from the last two games rather than 1 point if Yates was fit and starting but that's just my opinion.

    You don't like him. Fair enough. Just give it a bastard rest ffs

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    Quote Originally Posted by eugenboppboppbopp View Post
    I'd say we would have 6 points from the last two games rather than 1 point if Yates was fit and starting but that's just my opinion.

    You don't like him. Fair enough. Just give it a bastard rest ffs

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    Only reason I mention him is I knew this narrative was going to be pushed about him not playing and us losing when in reality our midfield has probably had one of its best performances this season and how we lost had nothing to do with Yates not playing in my opinion. I’ll lay off him until he gets overrated again in my opinion. If he starts pulling up trees I’ll give him credit like I have been praising figgy before his 2 mistakes. I say what I see, also I hope I get proved wrong it means Forest are winning and that’s all that matters.


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    Can we have some sort of alert in the forum for threads that will help for those suffering with insomnia? They can read all of these posts 3000 times in 43578 different threads and drift right off.


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    Emmo so fiending for an argument he seemed to be arguing with himself at one point there...


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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Emmo so fiending for an argument he seemed to be arguing with himself at one point there...


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    From what I can see, Cafu makes his choices quicker and performs the action more decisively.

    In possession, Cafu will get on the front foot and look to hit runners 15/20 yards up the pitch, whilst Yates is still deciding what to do with the ball as opposition players gather and any of our wide runners have to slow down or come towards him.

    Off the ball, Cafu will generally see the issue and be proactive, either supporting the defensive line or closing down runners / man in possession, whilst Yates again sticks to his DM position and observes play (often in no mans land) before deciding what to do.

    Now I'm not saying for a minute that Cafu always gets things right and Yates gets things wrong, but in Championship football, recycling the ball quickly and looking for runners is a vital part of the play, Yates delays this to such an extent that his wide runners and fellow midfielders also become more static.

    Cafu keeps the team moving, Yates makes them fall asleep.

    The most important position on the pitch should not rest on this young mans shoulders. Really like the lad, but he is not up to it.

    Last edited by TommyT; 07-03-21 at 10:17.

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    The problem described above is actually aggravated by Figueiredo. You can get away with one player delaying recycling the ball, but when you also have a CB behind him who's even worse in possession, you simply invite the opponent's pressing.


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    No denying Yates had a very poor game yesterday and was rightly hooked on the hour mark.

    Wish our fans would write that off rather than use his one bad game in ages as justification as to why he's not up to it. It's not like anyone else in the side played well yesterday either, it was garbage all over the pitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    No denying Yates had a very poor game yesterday and was rightly hooked on the hour mark.

    Wish our fans would write that off rather than use his one bad game in ages as justification as to why he's not up to it. It's not like anyone else in the side played well yesterday either, it was garbage all over the pitch.
    If he's playing, he's got to do some stunning work off the ball, because his work on it holds the team back. The evolution in central midfield using Garner/Cafu/Krovinovic has been palpable as was the transformation when Yates was hooked yesterday, Im not sure how much more it needs telegraphing.

    Yates has his limitations, they were highlighted twofold yesterday because he couldnt get the basics right. Worry is his work on the ball never seems to get any better & his incessant diving for cheap free kicks does nowt for momentum.

    Cafu/Garner/Krovinovic present physically enough & improve us tenfold going forward. Has to be them, take a ball player out & we look shit out of ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    If he's playing, he's got to do some stunning work off the ball, because his work on it holds the team back. The evolution in central midfield using Garner/Cafu/Krovinovic has been palpable as was the transformation when Yates was hooked yesterday, Im not sure how much more it needs telegraphing.

    Yates has his limitations, they were highlighted twofold yesterday because he couldnt get the basics right. Worry is his work on the ball never seems to get any better & his incessant diving for cheap free kicks does nowt for momentum.

    Cafu/Garner/Krovinovic present physically enough & improve us tenfold going forward. Has to be them, take a ball player out & we look shit out of ideas.

    No time for sentiment.
    We had zero shots on target yesterday. Evolution and ten fold improvement it wasn't. We improved marginally but nowhere near the amount some want to claim simply because they don't like Yates.

    No sentiment at all but I think Yates makes us look more rounded as a side. That wasn't the case yesterday admittedly, but it was one game, it happens.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    We had zero shots on target yesterday. Evolution and ten fold improvement it wasn't. We improved marginally but nowhere near the amount some want to claim simply because they don't like Yates.

    No sentiment at all but I think Yates makes us look more rounded as a side. That wasn't the case yesterday admittedly, but it was one game, it happens.
    I don't think you understand Robbie.

    When Yates is in the team and we play well it's because everyone else played well and carried him.

    When Yates plays and everyone plays badly it's because Yates is shit.

    When Yates plays and plays well and everyone else plays badly it's because Yates made them play badly.

    Once you understand that it's easy to see where the issues in the team are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    We had zero shots on target yesterday. Evolution and ten fold improvement it wasn't. We improved marginally but nowhere near the amount some want to claim simply because they don't like Yates.

    No sentiment at all but I think Yates makes us look more rounded as a side. That wasn't the case yesterday admittedly, but it was one game, it happens.
    More rounded with Yates in the side? I'm stunned, how can you be more rounded as a side when one part of your central midfield keeps falling over & can't pass 10 yds forward.

    Cafu/Garner both present equally as physically, match Yates for running off the ball & both can play.


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    Yates isn’t shit, but neither is he great. He’s a good enough squad player who excels in matches against either big physical midfields or dainty midfields who are easily disrupted by brute force. He is also able to get up and down the pitch and has the knack of getting on the end of crosses etc. He is also the least technically proficient of our midfielders and takes an extra touch when Cafu and Garner would pass instinctively and more quickly. Our passing is slower through the middle when he’s in the team.

    I see Yates as a horses-for-courses squad player. Good attitude and good to have around in the squad for rotation. Useful against certain opponents. Nothing special, but he’s decent enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Yates isnt shit, but neither is he great. Hes a good enough squad player who excels in matches against either big physical midfields or dainty midfields who are easily disrupted by brute force. He is also able to get up and down the pitch and has the knack of getting on the end of crosses etc. He is also the least technically proficient of our midfielders and takes an extra touch when Cafu and Garner would pass instinctively and more quickly. Our passing is slower through the middle when hes in the team.

    I see Yates as a horses-for-courses squad player. Good attitude and good to have around in the squad for rotation. Useful against certain opponents. Nothing special, but hes decent enough.
    Nailed it.

    Add goals to his game and he'll be more present, but half of getting out of the Champ for clubs like ours it getting the most from these players, and using them accordingly.

    McGugan being the best example I can think of - a player who'll win you games singlehandedly, but play him every game & in the games which don't suit, and he'll lose you just as many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alf-engelos Mindminackers View Post
    Nailed it.

    Add goals to his game and he'll be more present, but half of getting out of the Champ for clubs like ours it getting the most from these players, and using them accordingly.

    McGugan being the best example I can think of - a player who'll win you games singlehandedly, but play him every game & in the games which don't suit, and he'll lose you just as many.

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    Just get the feeling that Yates and sow are a great partnership for shit housing the midfeild but cafu and garner are much better technical passing midfeild.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry1982 View Post
    Just get the feeling that Yates and sow are a great partnership for shit housing the midfeild but cafu and garner are much better technical passing midfeild.
    I go back to the Derby performance for all I need to know about the all round abilities of Garner/Cafu. Presented as two Sows when it came to picking Derby pockets & both rolled out an extensive passing range.

    I think we're underplaying Garner & Cafus ability to mix it with teams physically.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    I don't think you understand Robbie.

    When Yates is in the team and we play well it's because everyone else played well and carried him.

    When Yates plays and everyone plays badly it's because Yates is shit.

    When Yates plays and plays well and everyone else plays badly it's because Yates made them play badly.

    Once you understand that it's easy to see where the issues in the team are.
    Finally, it feels like i've been in the dark and all of a sudden i can see the light!

    Thought he looked well off the pace yesterday. Didn't look totally fit or at least not up to speed against one of the better teams in the league surrounded by superstar players like Knockknock who relatively put in even worse performances!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Yates isn’t shit, but neither is he great. He’s a good enough squad player who excels in matches against either big physical midfields or dainty midfields who are easily disrupted by brute force. He is also able to get up and down the pitch and has the knack of getting on the end of crosses etc. He is also the least technically proficient of our midfielders and takes an extra touch when Cafu and Garner would pass instinctively and more quickly. Our passing is slower through the middle when he’s in the team.

    I see Yates as a horses-for-courses squad player. Good attitude and good to have around in the squad for rotation. Useful against certain opponents. Nothing special, but he’s decent enough.
    Don't play him against the best teams in the division would probably be a good start though.

    I actually think he would benefit from being vice captain to Worrall and being our man for the shithouse games and cups - then the rest of the time, be an asset from the bench


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    We had zero shots on target yesterday. Evolution and ten fold improvement it wasn't. We improved marginally but nowhere near the amount some want to claim simply because they don't like Yates.

    No sentiment at all but I think Yates makes us look more rounded as a side. That wasn't the case yesterday admittedly, but it was one game, it happens.
    I don't have a problem with Yates but he shouldn't be included alongside Garner because it disrupts our balance. It was obvious to see very early on & as soon as Cafu came on we visibly improved because we got a balance back and the ability to pass between lines.

    It should be Cafu - Yates/Garner - Krovinovic depending on the opposition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MASE View Post
    I go back to the Derby performance for all I need to know about the all round abilities of Garner/Cafu. Presented as two Sows when it came to picking Derby pockets & both rolled out an extensive passing range.

    I think we're underplaying Garner & Cafus ability to mix it with teams physically.
    I tend to agree. If everyone is fit, Cafu is the first name on the midfield team sheet and Garner is too good to leave out. Both can mix it.

    Cafu and Garner would be my preferred pair, but with two games a week and against the Rotherhams etc, Yates would get some game time for me.


 

 

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