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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    Just to confirm here. There are people that want trump to win?


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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    I didnt say I wanted him to win, just that I think he will.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Trust Sabri View Post
    Well biden actually offers quite a bit and I support alot of his policy positions. You make it sound like trump and biden are moral equals except of literal name when they're quite clearly not.



    It's true that Biden is basically a neoliberal disguised as a democrat but most old fuck politicians are anyway. Regards to his crime bill, he did recognize the mistake and what trump failed to recognize when he was battering biden with "why didn't you change it" when he was vice president, it was a republican congress for the most part.

    If biden wins, who most likely will, the next step would be to pack the Senate with democrats so alot of his positive policies can be enacted.
    He didnít try to change that law. He said only in 2016 that he had no regrets putting it in place and even bragged about drafting it.

    Thatís not surprising given heís also said he doesnít want his kids living in a racial jungle. He actually did a good job achieving that. To call it a Ďmistakeí... come on man! America has more in prison than China. They have 25% of the worlds prison population... The systematic removal of black men from families ... well... you know the rest... Thatís not a Ďmistakeí.

    I see no moral difference between the two men. Theyíre both liars. Both corrupt. Both got rich off the back of normal working people. Both practiced nepotism. Both have a flagrant disregard for people less advantaged than themselves.

    And I donít buy this - lesser of two evils argument either. Even if I believed he was the lesser , which I donít. This philosophy is exactly the reason why you end up with people like Trump. Cause people accept the same shit time and time again. Just when someone delivers it with a nice smile and a fancy leaflet about Ďvisionsí you feel better about it.
    Ask yourself this - did Obama campaign on;

    - drone strikes that kill innocents 90% of the time
    - a law that means you can be arrested indefinitely at any time
    - provide Israel with $40bn in military aid
    - bailing out the banks responsible for the global financial crash in a move that saw 1.5m Americans become homeless
    - cut food stamp funding by $8bn
    - $1bn arms deal with Saudis funding a genocide in Yemen
    - export more than double the amount of arms than Bush
    - drop 100,000 bombs on 8 different countries (they actually ran out of bombs)
    - lock up more whistle blowers than the last 4 presidents combined
    - the Flint water scandal!

    To name but a few. And heís one of the most admired political leader of recent times. Now people are surprised we have an egotistical maniac running the show. Itís probably because itís a maniacís job and the population has never demanded anything else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by McKenzie View Post
    That's some statement that based on polls that have been consistently proven to be inaccurate, as you rightly allude to.

    I think Trump will win. Against a decent Democratic candidate I would be less sure.
    I think itís more ĎlikelyĎ Biden wins. But I think Trump will.

    Iím banking on many more Americans not dare say they support Trump than in 2016. But I think many will have watched cities burn and believe that heís more likely to put order in place.

    Also most Americans are concerned about the economy. Statistically 30% say itís their biggest concern and Trump is favoured more on the economy.


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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    Trump will win, I don’t even think it’ll be close.


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    The silent majority even exists in england!


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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    Surely Biden will beat George

    Err, I mean Trump


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    If trump wins then I will exclude America from any sort of thought in my life ever, I'll just pretend it's the Truman show.


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    Default Re: US to Trump all the other crazy stuff going on in the world

    Biden is a placeholder for the 2024 election, and will be a lame duck pretty quickly. The real election results are the 7 senate seats that are up in the air. If the senate stays red it’ll be a boring Presidency, but if it swings blue holy shit the far left will have a field day and Biden is going to have a shit show on his hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by General Lee Hicket View Post
    Biden is a placeholder for the 2024 election, and will be a lame duck pretty quickly. The real election results are the 7 senate seats that are up in the air. If the senate stays red itíll be a boring Presidency, but if it swings blue holy shit the far left will have a field day and Biden is going to have a shit show on his hands.
    What's the old Donald going to do if he wins then?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    What's the old Donald going to do if he wins then?
    Same as the first 4. Fight the press, blame others, take no responsibility, send insane tweets, do quite funny stand up like routines at rallies and build the economy back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Just to confirm here. There are people that want trump to win?
    I donít understand why we are so invested in this? If itís about trade deals Trump would be a better result for us but it isnít.

    When was there a big deal about a German election, or French, or Ireland..? Any of our close neighbours.
    Chile have just rewritten the constitution and have ended a dictatorship, but Trump and Biden.


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    Did I say I agree with what obama did, even tho I am now understanding how shit he was a president since I was a kid when he was? I know what Obama did, no need to repeat it.

    Even tho you seem to hate either man, why not bring up some of the vile trump has done over the past 4 years, since he's had a republican senate during his time as president.

    Forgive me if I am wrong but it sounds like you want Trump to win?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    I donít understand why we are so invested in this? If itís about trade deals Trump would be a better result for us but it isnít.

    When was there a big deal about a German election, or French, or Ireland..? Any of our close neighbours.
    Chile have just rewritten the constitution and have ended a dictatorship, but Trump and Biden.
    Because unfortunately weíve replaced our culture, economy and foreign policy with theirs. We are a their colony politically and culturally. What happens over there matters. What happens in Chile doesnít.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Trust Sabri View Post
    Did I say I agree with what obama did, even tho I am now understanding how shit he was a president since I was a kid when he was? I know what Obama did, no need to repeat it.

    Even tho you seem to hate either man, why not bring up some of the vile trump has done over the past 4 years, since he's had a republican senate during his time as president.

    Forgive me if I am wrong but it sounds like you want Trump to win?
    Trumps misdemeanours have been on repeat for 5 years. Bidens have been hidden.

    If I was American I wouldnít vote.


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    Quote Originally Posted by General Lee Hicket View Post
    Biden is a placeholder for the 2024 election, and will be a lame duck pretty quickly. The real election results are the 7 senate seats that are up in the air. If the senate stays red it’ll be a boring Presidency, but if it swings blue holy shit the far left will have a field day and Biden is going to have a shit show on his hands.
    And who are the far left senators or representatives?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    Because unfortunately weíve replaced our culture, economy and foreign policy with theirs. We are a their colony politically and culturally. What happens over there matters. What happens in Chile doesnít.
    I get we are mini America wannabes like a lot of the world, which I despise, but this election is becoming the heavyweight championship with two old as fuck blokes that are barely politicians.
    Sky should cash in on it, get Trump running out in a gold robe to the Rocky Theme for the next head to head, so everyone can lap it up.
    Whole thing is pathetic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    I get we are mini America wannabes like a lot of the world, which I despise, but this election is becoming the heavyweight championship with two old as fuck blokes that are barely politicians.
    Sky should cash in on it, get Trump running out in a gold robe to the Rocky Theme for the next head to head, so everyone can lap it up.
    Whole thing is pathetic.
    Yeh I agree. Trump actually has a history in WWF.


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    Quote Originally Posted by McKenzie View Post
    That's some statement that based on polls that have been consistently proven to be inaccurate, as you rightly allude to.

    I think Trump will win. Against a decent Democratic candidate I would be less sure.
    To this point - itís actually astounding that after 4 years they came up with Biden. I can only believe that heís a stooge to get either Clinton or Harris in.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    To this point - itís actually astounding that after 4 years they came up with Biden. I can only believe that heís a stooge to get either Clinton or Harris in.
    They were scrabbling around for someone - anyone - credible enough to head-off Bernie Sanders.

    Anyway, I donít know why theyíre bothering; a new poll from Trump University predicts a resounding win for The Donald in all 67 states of the USA.

    ĄI believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialismď

    ĄDon't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carvel View Post
    To this point - it’s actually astounding that after 4 years they came up with Biden. I can only believe that he’s a stooge to get either Clinton or Harris in.
    CLINTON?


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    Quote Originally Posted by I Trust Sabri View Post
    And who are the far left senators or representatives?
    There are plenty of reps but senators Warren and Sanders for example, both of whom are vying for cabinet jobs and will be major influences on policy. Not to mention the VP.


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    Quote Originally Posted by General Lee Hicket View Post
    Biden is a placeholder for the 2024 election, and will be a lame duck pretty quickly. The real election results are the 7 senate seats that are up in the air. If the senate stays red it’ll be a boring Presidency, but if it swings blue holy shit the far left will have a field day and Biden is going to have a shit show on his hands.
    By "far left", you're referring to Democrats that are still clearly well to the right of New Labour over here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    By "far left", you're referring to Democrats that are still clearly well to the right of New Labour over here.
    Was about to say this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McKenzie View Post
    That's some statement that based on polls that have been consistently proven to be inaccurate, as you rightly allude to.
    I didn't say the polls were inaccurate. They weren't. It was the pollsters who had misplaced confidence in a Clinton win despite their polls showing a Trump victory was within the margin of error.

    Clinton went into the last week of the 2016 election with a 4-5% lead in national polls. Biden has double that. Even a full 3% swing away from Biden and a 3% swing in favour of Trump happens like it did in 2016 in the swing states, Biden would still win this year.

    If Trump wins this time, it's because the polls are wildly, wildly wrong. Last time they weren't too far out (and only -2% on the national polls), just the commentators didn't want to believe a Trump win was possible.

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