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    Quote Originally Posted by forestzoe View Post
    Won't let me view that tweet, even copy n pasting, what does it say?

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    Been deleted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by forestzoe View Post
    Won't let me view that tweet, even copy n pasting, what does it say?

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    It was deleted by the sheep that posted the tweet, but it was basically comparing our transfers with Olympiacos with their £80m stadium sale "loophole".


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    It makes you think, two of our local rivals have had local lads and fans of the clubs and absolutely destroyed them.

    Hardy & Morris.

    Tells you there is no way to guage a fit and proper owner. Although Derby's situation would have been prevented if the EFL acted firmly when football crimes were actually being committed - but Mel did his best to drag them all out so he could dump the club and let somebody else deal with them.
    Yes I think the protracted nature of it all isn't to be looked on favourably, the EFL should've put a deadline in place for things like accounts and suspended their ability to compete until submitted or something similar. It would've forced their hand and all this would've been done and dusted ages ago with probably a better outcome for Derby also

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    Quote Originally Posted by forestzoe View Post
    Yes I think the protracted nature of it all isn't to be looked on favourably, the EFL should've put a deadline in place for things like accounts and suspended their ability to compete until submitted or something similar. It would've forced their hand and all this would've been done and dusted ages ago with probably a better outcome for Derby also

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    Real time monitoring of accounts from the EFL, it's the only thing that could solve a lot of issues fairly quickly and simply.

    They should be allowed to ask clubs why and how they are spending money. It would have stopped Mel running the club on tax money for 2 years and their debt would have been £2m instead of £29m to HMRC.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Real time monitoring of accounts from the EFL, it's the only thing that could solve a lot of issues fairly quickly and simply.

    They should be allowed to ask clubs why and how they are spending money. It would have stopped Mel running the club on tax money for 2 years and their debt would have been £2m instead of £29m to HMRC.
    Yes I think some sort of reform needs looking at (which will probably make the sheep bleat and whinge even more), but not sure how practical that would be in real life, with transfer windows, spikes in income eg if more matches get picked for TV in the run in, ST sales etc. Was it 4 years late for.some.of their accounts? Not in on time, you don't start the following season. It would've focussed minds and forced them to stop fannying about

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    Real time monitoring of accounts from the EFL, it's the only thing that could solve a lot of issues fairly quickly and simply.

    They should be allowed to ask clubs why and how they are spending money. It would have stopped Mel running the club on tax money for 2 years and their debt would have been £2m instead of £29m to HMRC.
    You'll never get real time accounts and besides it's completely unnecessary, the current methodology is fine the results just need to be applied with consistency.

    File accounts more than a week late? Immediate points deduction.
    Deviate from practises set out in EFL regulations? Immediate points deduction.

    It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. Create a level playing field for all with no ambiguity and let's get on with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    You'll never get real time accounts and besides it's completely unnecessary, the current methodology is fine the results just need to be applied with consistency.

    File accounts more than a week late? Immediate points deduction.
    Deviate from practises set out in EFL regulations? Immediate points deduction.

    It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. Create a level playing field for all with no ambiguity and let's get on with it.
    If you don't file accounts prior to the end of the football season then you can't register for the next year's competition (with some exceptions), any late filing ager that results in a points deduction for that season or the next season which ever causes most damage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    It makes you think, two of our local rivals have had local lads and fans of the clubs and absolutely destroyed them.

    Hardy & Morris.

    Tells you there is no way to guage a fit and proper owner. Although Derby's situation would have been prevented if the EFL acted firmly when football crimes were actually being committed - but Mel did his best to drag them all out so he could dump the club and let somebody else deal with them.
    Though his intention to make the club financially self sufficient was a good one, I would say maybe similar about Doughty.

    Without necessarily wishing to blame individuals for what happened during his tenure, we allowed Platt to spaff millions up the wall on shitty old Italians and other overpriced players (and brought in Johnson for 3.5m not long after refusing to spend 1/10th on Robbie Blake saying it was too much), broke up the Hart playoff side without adequately replacing any of the players who left, did the same thing the year after when Kinnear had finished well, Megson, relegation, losing to Chester and Woking... We were incredibly lucky with the late run and Leeds getting docked points in that promotion season. Similar mistakes not backing Davies in a strong position, bringing McClaren in and allowing him to spend money on shit (see Platt), as I've seen mentioned here already we would probably have gone down under Cotterill if O'Driscoll hadn't come in...


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    Quote Originally Posted by forestzoe View Post
    They're absolutely wanking themselves silly on SM with loads of posts like this. They really are deluded aren't they? Completely failing to see that we are one of the best supported clubs in terms of numbers home and away and that they've had low attendances all season, only selling so many cos it was potentially their last game.

    No educating stupid I guess

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    How many of them will bother to turn up 15,000? 20,000? We've seen how different the recorded figures of the sales are to the number through the gate just by looking at the big gaps in the stands of late.


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    @SarcasticForest on twitter has edited their flag for them. 2nd pic to show full flag with the club crests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forestzoe View Post
    Yes I think some sort of reform needs looking at (which will probably make the sheep bleat and whinge even more), but not sure how practical that would be in real life, with transfer windows, spikes in income eg if more matches get picked for TV in the run in, ST sales etc. Was it 4 years late for.some.of their accounts? Not in on time, you don't start the following season. It would've focussed minds and forced them to stop fannying about

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    You'll never get real time accounts and besides it's completely unnecessary, the current methodology is fine the results just need to be applied with consistency.

    File accounts more than a week late? Immediate points deduction.
    Deviate from practises set out in EFL regulations? Immediate points deduction.

    It doesn't need to be more complicated than that. Create a level playing field for all with no ambiguity and let's get on with it.
    Maxi is right that you won't get real time accounting because there will always be transactions aren't always entered into accounts immediately, but I heard on the Football Podcast (I think) that the Scottish FA can look at the bank accounts of any of the clubs at any time they like to try and determine if a club at least has the cash to meet their immediate football commitments and if it is looking likely that they are not they can try and put things in place like transfer bars at the earliest opportunity. There does really need to be someting approaching realtime accounting though so that FFP obligations can bve tracked and applied before the end of the seasons to which they apply.

    A level playing field is needed, but some form of realtime FFP monitoring is also needed to catch the cheats before they prosper (but with the ability to apply retroactive penalties if they find a way to hide their true positions).

    I'm sure that the hope of the football authorities is that by now no one would be risking FFP breaches, but of course they are. Rather than an x point deduction, wouldn't it be a better deterrent for the penalty to be an automatic relegation from the league they committed it, or in the event that they break FFP and are relegated then dropping an extra division. So if for example a Championship team broke FFP and didn't get promoted or relegated, they would start the following season, they would start the following season. If they were promoted and the FFP breach wasn't found before they started the following season in the Prem, when they are next relegated they would drop to League one. If they breached and were relegated they would fall a further division to League Two.


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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Red Till Dead View Post
    Maxi is right that you won't get real time accounting because there will always be transactions aren't always entered into accounts immediately, but I heard on the Football Podcast (I think) that the Scottish FA can look at the bank accounts of any of the clubs at any time they like to try and determine if a club at least has the cash to meet their immediate football commitments and if it is looking likely that they are not they can try and put things in place like transfer bars at the earliest opportunity. There does really need to be someting approaching realtime accounting though so that FFP obligations can bve tracked and applied before the end of the seasons to which they apply.

    A level playing field is needed, but some form of realtime FFP monitoring is also needed to catch the cheats before they prosper (but with the ability to apply retroactive penalties if they find a way to hide their true positions).

    I'm sure that the hope of the football authorities is that by now no one would be risking FFP breaches, but of course they are. Rather than an x point deduction, wouldn't it be a better deterrent for the penalty to be an automatic relegation from the league they committed it, or in the event that they break FFP and are relegated then dropping an extra division. So if for example a Championship team broke FFP and didn't get promoted or relegated, they would start the following season, they would start the following season. If they were promoted and the FFP breach wasn't found before they started the following season in the Prem, when they are next relegated they would drop to League one. If they breached and were relegated they would fall a further division to League Two.
    That last bit would be no good. It would still encourage clubs to go balls deep to get promoted and not all of them would get relegated again to apply such a punishment. Leicester are now firmly established for example so under that scheme it would be zero punishment for them if it happened today. I see what you're driving at but it relies on them being relegated after promotion by cheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I'm Red Till Dead View Post
    Maxi is right that you won't get real time accounting because there will always be transactions aren't always entered into accounts immediately, but I heard on the Football Podcast (I think) that the Scottish FA can look at the bank accounts of any of the clubs at any time they like to try and determine if a club at least has the cash to meet their immediate football commitments and if it is looking likely that they are not they can try and put things in place like transfer bars at the earliest opportunity. There does really need to be someting approaching realtime accounting though so that FFP obligations can bve tracked and applied before the end of the seasons to which they apply.

    A level playing field is needed, but some form of realtime FFP monitoring is also needed to catch the cheats before they prosper (but with the ability to apply retroactive penalties if they find a way to hide their true positions).

    I'm sure that the hope of the football authorities is that by now no one would be risking FFP breaches, but of course they are. Rather than an x point deduction, wouldn't it be a better deterrent for the penalty to be an automatic relegation from the league they committed it, or in the event that they break FFP and are relegated then dropping an extra division. So if for example a Championship team broke FFP and didn't get promoted or relegated, they would start the following season, they would start the following season. If they were promoted and the FFP breach wasn't found before they started the following season in the Prem, when they are next relegated they would drop to League one. If they breached and were relegated they would fall a further division to League Two.
    Just adopt the German model - clubs must submit accounts and a business plan before the start of the season; if the figures don’t add up, the club doesn’t get a license to play and the club gets relegated for financial irregularities.

    (This fate has befallen Kaiserslautern and 1860 München in recent years).

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