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    Quote Originally Posted by Otis Redd'un View Post
    I might not be the quickest on the uptake these days Cloughie, but I'm still capable of discerning the point you're attempting to make without the need of capital letters mate.

    Anyway, although I profoundly disagreed with you, I did admire your staunch defence of the traditional, old-school, Chris Hughton-style of management, and so I'm encouraged that you now appear to be supportive of the new model the owners have, if-belatedly, endorsed.

    A defined identity, with a data-driven, maximum-age, maximum-wage policy is the obvious way forward, and the best way of avoiding the type of predicament the 'shaggers currently find themselves in.
    I'm sorry if I offended you,Otis(not intentional if I did).
    Firstly,Chris Hughton(old school or not)had to go because results weren't good enough(Brian Clough fell on that
    sword eventually).
    But back to football finances.
    Whether the new policy at Forest(I suspect driven by FFP requirements),works or not,the fact remains that the
    club(and many others)are likely to record significant losses(at least for a while).
    I can think of no other industry where the salaries of its employees can potentially put the business at risk-
    this is particularly poignant this winter where millions will struggle to meet the rising costs of food and
    fuel.
    I repeat(without using capital letters)-
    football needs to sort itself out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    Well yes, this policy clearly set us back somewhat as we then lost the ability to have a commercial edge on the ground like other clubs have done. Hudds have conference facilities, MK have a hotel which has rooms with a stadium view, whilst we couldn't do the latter on the buildings we have the investment could have been made.

    So we have a ground now which makes little on a non-matchday.

    I know Covid has got in the way with things like this recently, but you don't even see them making use of things like the Robin Hood suite or the Pitch Diner, if they still exist. Certainly in the case of the latter it could easily be a sports bar or restaurant as there are stadium and riverside views, could make a lot if done properly.
    The pitch sports diner has been criminally underutilised. The potential is huge for over 20 years.

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    Hilarious that there's no website for the Pitch diner and seemingly just a single photo of it on Google which looks like it was taken 20 years ago.

    Judging by Forest's website they use it to flog £50 hospitality tickets each game. Be interesting to know what the take up of that is, can't imagine it's particularly big. Not hard to imagine opening it up as an actual bar would generate more money...

    30/09/2021: It's only 8 points to the play-offs. Doesn't matter if we're 20th having lost three times as many games as we've won so far. I fancy us now that Hughton's gone.

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    Back when the Pitch opened they tried to sell it as a corporate thing. The Chamber of Commerce arranged a trip round the ground and lunch one day not long after it had opened, and we got free tickets for a friendly against Leeds to sample its wares. The Pitch has, for me, been neither one thing nor another. It is not a private box, nor is it a top quality catering outlet, it's just somewhere to sit indoors and watch the game with access to a bar before and after the game and during half time. It's neither exclusive or popular.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Back when the Pitch opened they tried to sell it as a corporate thing. The Chamber of Commerce arranged a trip round the ground and lunch one day not long after it had opened, and we got free tickets for a friendly against Leeds to sample its wares. The Pitch has, for me, been neither one thing nor another. It is not a private box, nor is it a top quality catering outlet, it's just somewhere to sit indoors and watch the game with access to a bar before and after the game and during half time. It's neither exclusive or popular.
    Yes that's one of the main issues. It doesn't know what it is and the club have sat it somewhere in the middle and made it "meh" and undesirable as a consequence. It's got so much potential if it was actually geared towards a specific targeted market.

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    When it opened in the 90's it was used as a pub/bar and showed the games as i know people that went there for the England games in France 98,

    Weather or not it was used like this all the time I don't know? But madness if not as I'm sure people would go if it was a Forest sports themed bar that did food and decent beer and showed all the sport live.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardo7 View Post
    When it opened in the 90's it was used as a pub/bar and showed the games as i know people that went there for the England games in France 98,

    Weather or not it was used like this all the time I don't know? But madness if not as I'm sure people would go if it was a Forest sports themed bar that did food and decent beer and showed all the sport live.
    After that initial period when it was open to the public, it's another example of Mark Arthur's pathetic lack of marketing-savviness by not being arsed to take a longer-term advantage of its wider commercial potential on non-match days. A business, particularly one operating in the night-time economy needs to develop a regular customer base, and the Pitch had (in fact, still has) a USP that neighbouring competitors would have struggled to match - until the Southbank and, to a lesser extent, the TBI tapped into it.

    That said, there's no excuse for the al-Hasawis or the current owners (so far) not addressing its obvious possibilities, particularly considering the increased potential customer-base that has sprung-up nearby, with significantly more to come when planning-permission for Marinakis Court is eventually approved.

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    lets get back on topic for "The Derby Way."


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    I've been in there

    It was shit


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde View Post
    I've been in there

    It was shit
    When I was at Forest in the late 90's it was used for the players to have lunch in for a period of time before they moved the first team up to academy. After that I can't remember it being used for any other purpose. Absolute waste of potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloughie1975 View Post
    Maybe the top clubs only matter to SKY and the majority of the media,VP,but there are many famous and historic
    clubs(including Nottingham Forest)that need protecting from the sharks that infest the national game.
    If this requires strict salary caps and regulation then so be it-I can see no point chasing an elusive dream(i.e
    the Premier League)if it puts the future of the club at risk.
    Football is in an appalling mess and needs sorting-it needs controlling by an outside body if necessary,as I have
    no faith in the FA or EFL to properly protect the game.
    Oh, quite agree, after all I support NFFC. It was a sarcastic, caustic comment on the present situation.


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    If Derby come out of this appeal with less than the points deduction that they already have it will be a disgrace.

    You might as well disband the EFL governing body, because it will be that insignificant, it will not carry any authority at all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derbyshirered View Post
    If Derby come out of this appeal with less than the points deduction that they already have it will be a disgrace.

    You might as well disband the EFL governing body, because it will be that insignificant, it will not carry any authority at all.
    Yes,it has been well established in football law that administration carries a 12 point penalty(previously being 10).
    This appeal may of course backfire on Derby if the EFL play hardball with the FFP points deduction.

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    How would Wigan fans feel if they see Derby get a lower points deduction, given how the 12 point penalty relegated their team a couple of years ago.

    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/t...county.116572/

    A good read on the Latics forum.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    How would Wigan fans feel if they see Derby get a lower points deduction, given how the 12 point penalty relegated their team a couple of years ago.

    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/t...county.116572/

    A good read on the Latics forum.
    Thanks for this Tobias.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derbyshirered View Post
    You might as well disband the EFL governing body, because it will be that insignificant, it will not carry any authority at all.


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    Was wondering around shops earlier and browsed the newspaper stands. Front page of The Sun was full page picture of Rooney and then Coleen in tears. It was an exclusive on their relationship and how shehad forgiven as he only 17 at time blah blah. Who wud buy that garbage! How does Rooney have any respect when he walks into the changing room-he’s obviously agreed to the exclusive!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tobias View Post
    How would Wigan fans feel if they see Derby get a lower points deduction, given how the 12 point penalty relegated their team a couple of years ago.

    https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/t...county.116572/

    A good read on the Latics forum.
    Well they seem a thoroughly decent bunch - no bile directed at Derby just well thought out debate and even they scratch their heads at the idea that Derby could blame COVID as a Force Majeure.


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    One would think that covid was centred on derby and the rest of us were lucky and it missed us all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    One would think that covid was centred on derby and the rest of us were lucky and it missed us all.
    My thoughts exactly.


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    In a rare moment of charity I find I can't blame the fans for clutching at every passing straw. If it was us I'd be the same but Jesus their self-delusion is staggering.

    They're just fixated on one thing and one thing only - they insist that if COVID hadn't happened they wouldn't have lost circa 20 million in revenue and it is that, and that alone, that is the reason they are in administration.

    They can't entertain the idea that the rest of the world might have a point when they argue that their vulnerability to the loss of revenue was due to consistent, self-inflicted, dubious if not downright fraudulent accounting practices and the decision of the owner/senior management to not pay HMRC.

    Will the independent inquiry find any merit in their argument - I can't see it but who knows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    One would think that covid was centred on derby and the rest of us were lucky and it missed us all.
    I heard the banjo-playing variant was particularly prevalent in the east midlands. It probably hit Derby very hard.

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    Thing is, their argument will be something along the lines of: yes we were struggling, but we could’ve continued to service the debt and avoided administration were it not for covid. Now, this may well be true. But for how long? That would be reliant on Mel Morris continuing to pump millions in to keep them afloat. And judging by his actions before they went into administration, he was losing the appetite to do this already.

    So is it merely up to Derby’s administrators to prove that they wouldn’t have gone into administration at the same time were it not for covid? How long would they have had to last to claim force majeure?

    Surely the panel has to consider that HMRC had issued a winding up order in the January before covid, or the fact that they paid nearly 4m quid for Jowziak in the middle of the pandemic? They must assess the reasonableness of Derby’s actions in the situation no?

    I don’t know the answer to any of these questions, but I have no confidence in the EFL in enforcing their rules against obvious cheats like Derby because they are fucking inept.

    Just liquidate thecunts

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    Quote Originally Posted by RealRed85 View Post
    Thing is, their argument will be something along the lines of: yes we were struggling, but we could’ve continued to service the debt and avoided administration were it not for covid. Now, this may well be true. But for how long? That would be reliant on Mel Morris continuing to pump millions in to keep them afloat. And judging by his actions before they went into administration, he was losing the appetite to do this already.

    So is it merely up to Derby’s administrators to prove that they wouldn’t have gone into administration at the same time were it not for covid? How long would they have had to last to claim force majeure?

    Surely the panel has to consider that HMRC had issued a winding up order in the January before covid, or the fact that they paid nearly 4m quid for Jowziak in the middle of the pandemic? They must assess the reasonableness of Derby’s actions in the situation no?

    I don’t know the answer to any of these questions, but I have no confidence in the EFL in enforcing their rules against obvious cheats like Derby because they are fucking inept.

    Just liquidate thecunts

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    I suspect that they will acknowledge that they were losing money but that had it not been for the uncertainty that covid created, they would have been able to sell the club and wouldn't have gone into adminstration.


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    But again, had they not been so badly run, they would have been able to take advantage of EFL loans to keep them afloat during the pandemic.

    That they did not, because apparently they were unable to agree a responsible schedule to pay the money back, does absolutely nothing for their „whataboutery“ argument re: covid.

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