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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Was also missing from the Chancellor's Spending Review. Does this mean that they will aim for a deal and extend the transition period to ensure it is fully implemented with minimum impact, or that they are ignoring it and hoping it will go away.
    This is the Boris Johnson show.

    He’s staked his wagon to „getting Brexit done“, I’d be astonished if he was willing to extend the transition period by six/nine/twelve months, in light of the damage the pandemic has done.

    They’ll just wing it, same as they have everything else, and if it all goes to shit, it’ll be someone else’s fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    This is the Boris Johnson show.

    He’s staked his wagon to „getting Brexit done“, I’d be astonished if he was willing to extend the transition period by six/nine/twelve months, in light of the damage the pandemic has done.

    They’ll just wing it, same as they have everything else, and if it all goes to shit, it’ll be someone else’s fault.
    Such as Gove sticking his beak in today, commenting that it'll be the fault of the EU's rules based approach. Same old Tories, rules are for other people, not for us, look after yourself and not others. The worst part is that we might end up with Gove as PM once Johnson gets bored.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Such as Gove sticking his beak in today, commenting that it'll be the fault of the EU's rules based approach. Same old Tories, rules are for other people, not for us, look after yourself and not others. The worst part is that we might end up with Gove as PM once Johnson gets bored.
    It'll be Sunak if Boris decides that doing work is not for him and no one else wants to do the legwork for him anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Was also missing from the Chancellor's Spending Review. Does this mean that they will aim for a deal and extend the transition period to ensure it is fully implemented with minimum impact, or that they are ignoring it and hoping it will go away.
    It was missing from the Chancellor's commentary, but not from OBR's forecast

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1761709.html

    EXACT SAME BENEFITS

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    That Gove can even dare to suggest this is the fault of the EU is beyond belief. That we are not considering an extension beggars belief. Wankers should be in court for this.


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    An extension until when though? Until people forget that they voted to leave and we can quietly go back to life as it was?

    That's not going to happen and there is going to be pain somewhere along the way. Better to rip the plaster off than sit there waiting for it to fall off.

    On the plus side, if it's really bad maybe we can fast track getting back in again. As long as we can keep the pound, of course.

    Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phooey View Post
    Better to rip the plaster off than sit there waiting for it to fall off
    Been getting tips from Bryn again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phooey View Post
    An extension until when though? Until people forget that they voted to leave and we can quietly go back to life as it was?

    That's not going to happen and there is going to be pain somewhere along the way. Better to rip the plaster off than sit there waiting for it to fall off.

    On the plus side, if it's really bad maybe we can fast track getting back in again. As long as we can keep the pound, of course.
    And the blue passports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    And the blue passports.

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    Which we could have had as members.

    One day we will go back in, and we'll have to apply, and as such we'll have to accept their terms; so all the special terms which we have now won't be available.
    No rebate. No opt outs. No pound. In Schengen. I just hope Farage and co are still alive to see it.
    But yeah we'll probably be able to keep the blue passports (which look black to me).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phooey View Post
    An extension until when though? Until people forget that they voted to leave and we can quietly go back to life as it was?

    That's not going to happen and there is going to be pain somewhere along the way. Better to rip the plaster off than sit there waiting for it to fall off.

    On the plus side, if it's really bad maybe we can fast track getting back in again. As long as we can keep the pound, of course.

    Its a boil that needs to be lanced. The only way is a hard brexit and the everything that follows. It'll be tough on people losing their jobs but people knew what they were voting for.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    Which we could have had as members.

    One day we will go back in, and we'll have to apply, and as such we'll have to accept their terms; so all the special terms which we have now won't be available.
    No rebate. No opt outs. No pound. In Schengen. I just hope Farage and co are still alive to see it.
    But yeah we'll probably be able to keep the blue passports (which look black to me).

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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    No rebate. No opt outs. No pound. In Schengen. I just hope Farage and co are still alive to see it.
    I’d be disappointed if they haven’t been rounded up and lynched be a hate mob, riled up by realising the con-job they had done on them, long before that.


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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    One day we will go back in, and we'll have to apply, and as such we'll have to accept their terms; so all the special terms which we have now won't be available.
    No rebate. No opt outs. No pound. In Schengen. I just hope Farage and co are still alive to see it.
    I think this is a quite realistic prospect, but won't be this decade. We'll have to sit and fester in the mess we've created rather than be let back in as equals quickly.


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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    We seem to be thinking that the EU will want them back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I think this is a quite realistic prospect, but won't be this decade. We'll have to sit and fester in the mess we've created rather than be let back in as equals quickly.
    I agree. I think 20 years minimum. The process, once started, will likely take years too. And that's after they agree to let us rejoin, which they probably won't do quickly.


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    Default Re: The Big BREXIT discussion!

    If - and it is an „if“ at present - it all goes a bit Pete Tong after Brexit, many companies may well withdraw parts of their business from the U.K. completely (this was the big fear for the automotive industry, for example).

    Then without EU-membership, how do you get that investment back in the future, if it’s cheaper and more convenient to go to Poland, Spain, or elsewhere?

    Even serviced-based industries may find it just easier to operate from within the EU, rather than dedicated U.K. locations. Where does the UK go then?

    Especially when faced with an indifferent Joe Biden-led USA for the next four years, and a protectionist China?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbus View Post
    But yeah we'll probably be able to keep the blue passports (which look black to me).

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    I have one, it's definitely black and not blue.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If - and it is an „if“ at present - it all goes a bit Pete Tong after Brexit, many companies may well withdraw parts of their business from the U.K. completely (this was the big fear for the automotive industry, for example).
    I expect our entire factory to be put into consultation from January 1st after no deal. Our plant in Northern Ireland is already going through the process.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phooey View Post
    An extension until when though?
    Well, at least until the Government have written, tested and implemented the software and processes that they're supposed to be using in just over a month, but apparently haven't even started yet...would be sensible.
    But that would require an admission on the part of our Government that they've fucked up by leaving it so late.
    So let's have chaos at the border instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If - and it is an „if“ at present - it all goes a bit Pete Tong after Brexit, many companies may well withdraw parts of their business from the U.K. completely (this was the big fear for the automotive industry, for example).

    Then without EU-membership, how do you get that investment back in the future, if it’s cheaper and more convenient to go to Poland, Spain, or elsewhere?

    Even serviced-based industries may find it just easier to operate from within the EU, rather than dedicated U.K. locations. Where does the UK go then?

    Especially when faced with an indifferent Joe Biden-led USA for the next four years, and a protectionist China?
    Given the status of Northern Ireland, could this be a suitable location for many businesses, providing Ulster's alternative status doesn't provoke too many nutters into action against either GB or ROI influences.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Well, at least until the Government have written, tested and implemented the software and processes that they're supposed to be using in just over a month, but apparently haven't even started yet...would be sensible.
    But that would require an admission on the part of our Government that they've fucked up by leaving it so late.
    So let's have chaos at the border instead.
    The extension can only be temporary to allow time for businesses and customs to prepare in the full knowledge of what the rules will be. At present everyone is having to hedge on the outcome, knowing there will be severe disruption, but not quite how much or exactly what shape that will take. Also, the focus on Dover-Calais has completely ignored the crossing from RoI into Holyhead and other west coast ports, which is pretty vital for food supplies (check how much of your supermarket meat is Irish), let alone considered the implications for transport between RoI and Northern Ireland, or Northern Ireland to Scotland.

    We have become so accustomed to swift and effortless transfer of goods between territories that the extent of what happens in 5 weeks is not understood by the general population, and quite probably not by government.


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    Here's a segment from last night's Newsnight on the ommission of Brexit impact on the economy going forward.

    A key bit of information here is that the OBR did include the impact of Brexit in their notes, but their assumption was for a smooth transition.

    So it could be much worse.

    Of course, we still hold all the same cards and seek the exact same benefits so it could be much, much better. Ping!




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    Barnier has called an urgent meeting of fishery ministers.Which is either sign of a deal or sign of a no deal


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    The business had a letter from the government yesterday reminding us that various laws changes on 1 January with respect to trade with the EU.

    It doesn't say anything about regulations.

    But anyway, 35 days notice. Thanks for the reminder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redemption View Post
    The business had a letter from the government yesterday reminding us that various laws changes on 1 January with respect to trade with the EU.

    It doesn't say anything about regulations.

    But anyway, 35 days notice. Thanks for the reminder.
    Yes , been getting the same. I have just stick my carriage to Europe to a silly price as I have no idea what it will be post January 1st , non EU euro countries have an immediate £25 customs clearing surcharge and cost a lot more , also going to stick a higher price on Northern Ireland as again no idea.
    I can get w box into northern France for £15 at the moment , that’ll double I would imagine. Fuck knows s what about time delays. I

    I thought regs were held for one year ? I know I can sell CE marked stuff for one year , it won’t have to be. UK marked yet. If it all has to be re certified it simply won’t be worth it.

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