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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    Think it will probably be September. Don't really want to travel in August with the cat and the dog. Still sorting paperwork out here at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    They're all tools.
    100%.

    On the blue side you have rampant cronyism and a bunch of nonces who will throw the country under a bus if it means there's an extra fiver in their wallets to spend on their rentboys.

    On the red side you have a leader who by the day seems more and more happy to let the Cronyism go unchecked, and he's flanked by a cabal of morons who care more about being ethically pure than winning elections and will bang on about fucking Palestein whilst hundreds of thousands on these shores, which we can actually do something about, go hungry.

    The only decent person in politics is Caroline Lucas, and frankly I think I have more chance of influencing the direction of the country than she does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    Have you sold your villa or renting it out?
    Sold it mate, to a young English couple who work out here in the sailing industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    100%.

    On the blue side you have rampant cronyism and a bunch of nonces who will throw the country under a bus if it means there's an extra fiver in their wallets to spend on their rentboys.

    On the red side you have a leader who by the day seems more and more happy to let the Cronyism go unchecked, and he's flanked by a cabal of morons who care more about being ethically pure than winning elections and will bang on about fucking Palestein whilst hundreds of thousands on these shores, which we can actually do something about, go hungry.

    The only decent person in politics is Caroline Lucas, and frankly I think I have more chance of influencing the direction of the country than she does.
    In Starmers defence I think he realised how pro brexit the country was and if he'd come out banging the remain rejoin drum he'd have lost even more people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    In Starmers defence I think he realised how pro brexit the country was and if he'd come out banging the remain rejoin drum he'd have lost even more people.
    It's not even about Brexit anymore. He's pretty damn silent on poverty, exorbitant house prices which are unaffordable to too many now, looming pension crisis, social care falling to bits.

    It's all well and good trying to move the party to the centre, but you still need to argue for the things that your core/target voters really care about. Standing behind flags and ramping up rhetoric on being tough on crime is basically an admission that they have no idea what real policies they want to push.

    160k have died this year from a virus the sitting Government have completely mismanaged whilst lining their pockets in the process. Any competent opposition would be a government in waiting. Labour aren't even close. Talent in the Labour party is properly thin on the ground when you compare it to who was in the party in the Blair years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    It's not even about Brexit anymore. He's pretty damn silent on poverty, exorbitant house prices which are unaffordable to too many now, looming pension crisis, social care falling to bits.

    It's all well and good trying to move the party to the centre, but you still need to argue for the things that your core/target voters really care about. Standing behind flags and ramping up rhetoric on being tough on crime is basically an admission that they have no idea what real policies they want to push.

    160k have died this year from a virus the sitting Government have completely mismanaged whilst lining their pockets in the process. Any competent opposition would be a government in waiting. Labour aren't even close. Talent in the Labour party is properly thin on the ground when you compare it to who was in the party in the Blair years.
    True he does seem to let Boris off the hook easily. Unlike Ian Blackford.

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    I wonder who sits in the daily express office and thinks this shit up. Why would the EU be at risk because of some Eurosceptic in Norway?
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ntre-party-spt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    I wonder who sits in the daily express office and thinks this shit up. Why would the EU be at risk because of some Eurosceptic in Norway?
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ntre-party-spt

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    It's like they've not seen our Brexit deal at all !


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    I know what I'm voting for. It is Derby though.https://youtu.be/vBraG2tU80E


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    It is a damning indictment of both political parties, when footballer Marcus Rashford has had significantly better success than both front-benches put together when it comes to campaigning and getting results.

    ĄI believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialismď

    ĄDon't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.Ē

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    It is a damning indictment of both political parties, when footballer Marcus Rashford has had significantly better success than both front-benches put together when it comes to campaigning and getting results.
    Rashford and Mings have done more to advance Labour causes this year than Labour have managed in a decade.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    It is a damning indictment of both political parties, when footballer Marcus Rashford has had significantly better success than both front-benches put together when it comes to campaigning and getting results.
    Rashford being external to party politics is precisely the reason he had success.

    Every party except the Tories opposed the school meals policy, but whenever they voiced it, they're dismissed as "Captain Hindsight", "Remoaners" etc etc.

    The tribalism that's taken over the last couple of decades has poisoned reasonable discourse. The government needed shaming by a public figure who couldn't be dismissed with a pithy party politics line in order to get them to change position.

    If Rashford had done and said the exact same thing, but he was a Labour/Lib Dem/Green/SNP MP, it wouldn't have had the same result.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    Rashford being external to party politics is precisely the reason he had success.

    Every party except the Tories opposed the school meals policy, but whenever they voiced it, they're dismissed as "Captain Hindsight", "Remoaners" etc etc.

    The tribalism that's taken over the last couple of decades has poisoned reasonable discourse. The government needed shaming by a public figure who couldn't be dismissed with a pithy party politics line in order to get them to change position.

    If Rashford had done and said the exact same thing, but he was a Labour/Lib Dem/Green/SNP MP, it wouldn't have had the same result.


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    It was sad though and I'm no way decrying the scheme but my friend,s daughter manages a nursery that was used as a base for handing out the free meals.
    She was astounded at the amount of people that ordered the meals but never bothered to pick them up and they went to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    It's not even about Brexit anymore. He's pretty damn silent on poverty, exorbitant house prices which are unaffordable to too many now, looming pension crisis, social care falling to bits.

    It's all well and good trying to move the party to the centre, but you still need to argue for the things that your core/target voters really care about. Standing behind flags and ramping up rhetoric on being tough on crime is basically an admission that they have no idea what real policies they want to push.

    160k have died this year from a virus the sitting Government have completely mismanaged whilst lining their pockets in the process. Any competent opposition would be a government in waiting. Labour aren't even close. Talent in the Labour party is properly thin on the ground when you compare it to who was in the party in the Blair years.
    It can't be about Brexit though. We have already left, and this process was inevitable from when Theresa May invoked Article 50. Sure there were possibilities to revoke that but that would perhaps have been seen as bad too by some.

    Rejoining is the only option we'd have but that too would look a bit silly after 7 months. Though it'd be interesting to see if there was a ref on that now how it'd go and more crucially how many people would have changed their mind (assuming rejoin = remain and stay out = leave).

    Even Thatcher wasn't entirely anti-EU...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    It is a damning indictment of both political parties, when footballer Marcus Rashford has had significantly better success than both front-benches put together when it comes to campaigning and getting results.
    In defence of Starmer he is battling against parliament as well. While Johnson continually refuses to answer questions and the speaker lets him get away with it.

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    It's only recently the the speaker has to remind the bluffer in chief that it was prime minister's question and and not opposition leader's question time.

    Didn't make much difference.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    The only decent person in politics is Caroline Lucas, and frankly I think I have more chance of influencing the direction of the country than she does.
    This, 100%.

    It is absolutely mental that we have someone as bright and as talented at her job as Lucas yet because she wears a green rosette she has 0.1% of influencing the direction of the country. Yet we have Boris Johnson as PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Statto View Post
    Even Thatcher wasn't entirely anti-EU...
    She wasnít anti-EU at all, she just tried the line finely enough to keep the idiots in line. She would be spinning in her grave at the thought of leaving the single market.

    She was above all a pragmatist and knew we were best in but a little bit out . She would have had Farage for breakfast , as well as those thundercunts hannan and habib.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    Maybe, but the referendum and the Brexit vote are a direct consequence of her policies.

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    No
    Not all
    I posted a video on here ages ago of a breakdown of where the refí was won
    Draw a line from Kettering east and south , the rump was on there.

    Ignore the percentages and look at where the rump voted out. It was the south east and relatively wealthy, think of your typical express l/mail reader (ironically , the ones who benefited enormously from EU membership but had forty years of shit poured in their ears) ignore some northern town voting out by 65% , it would only make a difference of maybe a few thousand, blame somewhere like Poole where a 2% win can mean hundreds of thousands.


    Blair scared the shit out the tories and itís been a constant campaign since to pin all the evils on everything but themselves.

    I also think working tax credits were one of the reasons we left too. Itís not for the government to top up wages , itís for them to legislate a living wage by law and business to pay it. We didnít need to leave the EU to rid ourselves of a reliance on low pay workers, we just needed a change of domestic politics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    Sold it mate, to a young English couple who work out here in the sailing industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob1965 View Post
    Are they pirates?
    Yarr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Professor Wolfgang Schnell BSc. PhD. View Post
    It's only recently the the speaker has to remind the bluffer in chief that it was prime minister's question and and not opposition leader's question time.

    Didn't make much difference.
    This is excellent.https://youtu.be/DtJMDoejwuc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    This is excellent.https://youtu.be/DtJMDoejwuc

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    She was kicked out for the unpolitician like behaviour known as "telling the truth"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    No
    Not all
    I posted a video on here ages ago of a breakdown of where the refí was won
    Draw a line from Kettering east and south , the rump was on there.

    Ignore the percentages and look at where the rump voted out. It was the south east and relatively wealthy, think of your typical express l/mail reader (ironically , the ones who benefited enormously from EU membership but had forty years of shit poured in their ears) ignore some northern town voting out by 65% , it would only make a difference of maybe a few thousand, blame somewhere like Poole where a 2% win can mean hundreds of thousands.


    Blair scared the shit out the tories and itís been a constant campaign since to pin all the evils on everything but themselves.

    I also think working tax credits were one of the reasons we left too. Itís not for the government to top up wages , itís for them to legislate a living wage by law and business to pay it. We didnít need to leave the EU to rid ourselves of a reliance on low pay workers, we just needed a change of domestic politics.


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    EU was always the bogeyman to be blamed for all our shit. One good thing that could, I hope come from brexit is that people realise its actually our government fucking it all up, not some nasty foreigner


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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    EU was always the bogeyman to be blamed for all our shit. One good thing that could, I hope come from brexit is that people realise its actually our government fucking it all up, not some nasty foreigner
    Do you really think thatíll be the case ?

    The argument of the EU being undemocratic pales into insignificance when you consider an unelected second chamber, FPTP and the media concentration in this country.


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