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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    I see the 50+1 model os working well.....
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    Well, that’s mostly why it’s there - the clubs, being member-owned, challenge those chosen to lead them when controversial things like this happen.

    In Germany, clubs are Member-owned for good reason.

    In the case of Bayern, they woefully underestimated the strength of feeling against Qatari sponsorship. It’s a terrible look for them here, as it seems - quite correctly - they’ve portrayed themselves as common money-grabbers.

    They don’t like being pulled up for it either.

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    Aye just it looks like the members have limited say? Do they get to vote for a new chairman or board?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    Aye just it looks like the members have limited say? Do they get to vote for a new chairman or board?
    Yes, that’s part of what the meeting was about - members always vote on membership of their supervisory boards, and for key roles (like CEO or President).

    We had elections in July for the membership of the supervisory board of VfB Stuttgart - which was two years after an unpopular board and president (Dietrich) had been voted out of office, and former local-boy-done-good Thomas Hitzlsperger voted in.

    This year, popular local lad Claus Vogt was confirmed as President and a couple more board members elected. But the VfB seems to moving in the right direction, unlike FC Bayern, whose board was caught out by the strength of opposition to the commercial deal with Qatar Airways.


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    Maybe they'll fuck off the board who don't seem to represent them then.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    Maybe they'll fuck off the board who don't seem to represent them then.
    The natives are certainly restless.

    Uli Höneß; himself no stranger to controversy, was visibly shocked, as was President Hainer and CEO Oliver Kahn.

    But the board rules at the behest of the club members, it is not unreasonable for them to be voted out if enough members want that.

    We did the same in Stuttgart, the previous regime had overseen a period of financial incompetence and two relegations, so after a very vocal fan-led campaign against the then-President Dietrich and the board, they were justly voted out at the next AGM.


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    How does the 49/51% split work?

    Do the 51% have to vote amongst themselves to establish a position then vote as a block against the 49%? Because, presumably the 49% will always vote as a unified block, whereas the 51% will be split very often into various factions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    How does the 49/51% split work?

    Do the 51% have to vote amongst themselves to establish a position then vote as a block against the 49%? Because, presumably the 49% will always vote as a unified block, whereas the 51% will be split very often into various factions.
    It’s not so much 51/49; the rule is „50+1“ as a minimum.

    In FC Bayern‘s case, from Memory, members „own“ 75% of the club.

    In other cases, some clubs have spun off their first team into a separate company, owned by the „parent“, but commercial partners are allowed to invest in those subsidiaries (but of course, as members control the parent, they - effectively - can exert control on the subsidiary too).

    Factionalism is a way of life on football and member owned clubs are no different. However, it usually works that the members are broadly aligned on wanting to see success, and, as such, it is often possible to find common ground.

    That is what happened at VfB Stuttgart (incidentally, the members control the parent company, VfB Stuttgart 1893 e.V., but the first team was spun-off into a separate company, VfB Stuttgart AG, and a minor stake in that company was sold to Daimler three years ago for €41m and some commercial considerations, such as stadium sponsorship). When the previous regime of President Dietrich lost popularity after a number of mistakes, several - very vocal - supporters‘ groups banded together to demand change; protest marches were held (I went on a few, great fun) and at the annual AGM, the board and President resigned (all bar two, but they were OK) in the face of supporter protests.

    So, it works.

    There are those who agitate for the removal of „50+1“; Dietmar Hopp, who is one of the founders of SAP and owns Hoffenheim, is one, and Jordanian investor Hasan Abdullah Ismaik, who owns TSV 1860 München, is another.

    Those objectors usually default to demanding full control so they can run the clubs as they see fit.

    The two historical holdovers of course are Bayer 04 Leverkusen (found by Bayer as a sports club for their employees) and VfL Wolfsburg, founded by Volkswagen, to give their employees something to do when they weren’t building Beetles. Leverkusen have moved to a more equitable structure in recent years, with greater fan involvement.

    Of course, the other outlier is RasenballSport Leipzig, who, whilst they have a membership scheme, have made it open to only 17 people, all of whom are employees of the Red Bull company, and if anyone else asks to join, the price quoted is apparently so ridiculously high, it is unaffordable.

    And they wonder why everyone hates them.

    (FC Bayern, by comparison, have over 200.000 members, and VfB Stuttgart have about 73.000 I think).


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    Thanks Strummer.

    Was the set up decided on when the Bundesliga was founded or is it a historical thing? I can remember chaps in our unit talking about Moenchengladbach when I was stationed near there (early 60s), but they were pretty good footballers (our CO was mad for the game) and talking more about getting a game with or against their A team or whatever.


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    Thanks Strummer.

    Was the set up decided on when the Bundesliga was founded or is it a historical thing? I can remember chaps in our unit talking about Moenchengladbach when I was stationed near there (early 60s), but they were pretty good footballers (our CO was mad for the game) and talking more about getting a game with or against their A team or whatever.
    In most cases it’s historic, as the majority of German clubs (with the exceptions mentioned above) have been set up by their members and owned by them, but the 50+1 rules were really only confirmed in 1998, because before then - and after the formation of professional football in Germany with the founding of the Bundesliga in 1963 - German clubs were always run on a „not for profit“ basis, by committees nominated by the clubs‘ members.


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    If anyone is interested in a little light reading in the subject, here is the word from the horse‘s mouth:

    https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/B...ned-466583.jsp


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    Also: more Bundesliga News, another coaching change, as Pal Dardai is given a one-way ticket out the door by Hertha BSC, and is replaced by Tayfun Korkut, who many long-term readers of this thread may recall, was a former coach of my local side.

    Hertha have spent big, and 14th place in the Bundesliga is not where they want to be, so new Sporting Director Fredi Bobic has swung the axe.


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    Also, if Robert Lewandowski doesn’t win the Ballon d‘Or tonight and one of Messi or Ronaldo does, it’s fixed.

    Neither of the two former giants of Spanish football have pulled up and trees in the last twelve months, whereas Lewandowski has pretty much rewritten goalscoring records, and laughed whilst doing it.


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    Who's in the running for the balloon door?

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    Go on, guess who won, again.

    I mean, for fuck’s sake he’s not even the best player at PSG anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Go on, guess who won, again.

    I mean, for fuck’s sake he’s not even the best player at PSG anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Also, if Robert Lewandowski doesn’t win the Ballon d‘Or tonight and one of Messi or Ronaldo does, it’s fixed.

    Neither of the two former giants of Spanish football have pulled up and trees in the last twelve months, whereas Lewandowski has pretty much rewritten goalscoring records, and laughed whilst doing it.
    I'd get 20 a season in that team and in that league.

    Also, Messi hit 40 in the year and won the Copa America.


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    Milan currently 3-0 in Genova against Genoa.

    Fk from Ibra and a brace from former delivery man Messias Jr.

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    This coming weekend, it’ll be silly season again as the weeks‘ Bundesliga Topspiel sees FC Bayern travel to Borussia Dortmund.

    Erling Haaland is back for Die Schwarzgelb, whilst Bayern must contend with a mini-covid outbreak that saw vaccine-refusenik Joshua Kimmich test positive and another four players likewise.

    But it’s Dortmund-Bayern, and despite a lack of fans (depending on the local government rules on the day, there will be either no fans or a maximum of 15.000) it’s sure to be spicy, there will be goals, and Dortmund will hope to turn round their wretched run of recent form against FC Hollywood, because if they don’t take a chance now, a mere point behind their rivals in the table, they never will.

    Sky Sports in the U.K. should have it on, kickoff is 1730 U.K. time.


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    The Bundesliga coverage of Sky is crap because the games are almost always on when an English game is on. They haven't really thought that one through.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rzarecteh View Post
    The Bundesliga coverage of Sky is crap because the games are almost always on when an English game is on. They haven't really thought that one through.
    This is because Sky bought the rights from BT and messed up because they don’t (at least, I don’t think) show the likes of the Friday night game? They have also cut down from the number of matches that BT used to show.

    Unlike the Premier League, and with the exception of a couple of years experiments with Monday night games (fan power soon got rid of that nonsense) there are nine Bundesliga matches spread over a weekend, and all kick off at the same times:

    Friday night: 2030 (one match)

    Saturday: 1530 (five matches)
    Saturday: 1830 (one match, typically the weeks‘ Topspiel)

    Sunday: 1530 (one match)
    Sunday: 1730 (one match)

    (All times CET, of course)

    This pattern holds true every week, with the occasional exception of an Englische Woche, typically reserved for just before the Winter Break, or to accommodate international tournaments, where rounds of matches are played on weeknights.

    Also of course the nine rounds of 2. Bundesliga matches are played on the same days, but the second-tier plays before the Bundesliga (so 1830 on Friday, and 1330 on Saturday and Sunday) so that allows for fans to watch both tiers with minimal overlap.

    Having of course only 18 teams per division helps here.

    The other thing - and I have no idea why Sky doesn’t do this in the U.K. - there are are far more channels to watch the matches; there are twenty channels for sports alone, 11 branded as „Sky Bundesliga…“ where all the matches are shown, and another nine for other things like the Premier League, Handball and Formula One. Oh and Sky News DE.

    But - again unlike the Premier League - because every single match is televised, it is possible to watch every game of your favourite team, every week, if you want.

    This was invaluable last season when stadia were shut down to spectators because of covid.

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    It's not just the Premier League it clashes with all the Championship matches. Just seems pointless getting games from a league where it's always going to be overshadowed by the English game on. La Liga was good because they were always on late at night.


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    I thought sky played a Bundesliga match when BT were showing the premier League game (or vice versa)?

    Sky have the rights to show every game in every EFL but choose not to and also won't let anyone else show them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    I thought sky played a Bundesliga match when BT were showing the premier League game (or vice versa)?

    Sky have the rights to show every game in every EFL but choose not to and also won't let anyone else show them.
    Yep.

    Sky in the U.K. is - frankly - crap compared to its German sibling.

    You can watch every match of your team, every week, here. For €29 a month. And loads of other stuff too.

    That’s a bargain. Especially compared to the likes of Forest TV.


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    Surely there are rules relating to the showing of games which even Sky cannot override?

    For instance, nearly every EFL game played on a Saturday is at 3pm which I thought was a black out time?


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    Nine minutes played, it’s already Dortmund 1, Bayern 1.

    Tasty.

    I did say there would be goals.


 

 

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