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  1. #12701
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erik View Post
    Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester and even Bournemouth (to name but 5) supporters will wholeheartedly agree with this.*


    *Or maybe not.
    Fans of Sunderland,Sheffield Wednesday,Portsmouth,Charlton,Birmingham and Blackpool would probably agree with my
    argument.
    Even the majority of true Manchester United supporters hate the Glazers and their debt loaded American ‘leverage’
    of the most famous name in English football.
    I think it’s high time for a change and sanity restored to the game of the people.


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    If only there was an example to follow, perhaps a major European league, where clubs were actually owned by their members?

    What a revolutionary concept that would be!

    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

    „Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.”

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    I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Hill campaigning to get the salary cap scrapped. It also affected groundstaff, my ex father in law at Filbert street was always grateful to him as he enjoyed a substantial wage rise.

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    I can completely understand why a club like ours would be pushing for it, but there's as much chance of the parachute clubs agreeing to a salary cap as there is of 'the big 6' agreeing to a salary cap in the EPL.

    THE TRUTH IS THERE AND WITH IT I GO TO THE END OF THE WORLD .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Hill campaigning to get the salary cap scrapped. It also affected groundstaff, my ex father in law at Filbert street was always grateful to him as he enjoyed a substantial wage rise.

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    Absolutely-but there’s a big difference between a realistic/good salary and one which is obscene and an insult
    to long standing fans(some whom are strapped for cash)-and also the rest of society.

    Last edited by Cloughie1975; 04-09-21 at 21:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lefkasman View Post
    I'm old enough to remember Jimmy Hill campaigning to get the salary cap scrapped. It also affected groundstaff, my ex father in law at Filbert street was always grateful to him as he enjoyed a substantial wage rise.

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    There's a major difference between what he campaiged for and what the reasons why we suggest they should go back to having a wage cap. If someone can't live on £10k a week then that individual has bigger problems to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloughie1975 View Post
    Fans of Sunderland,Sheffield Wednesday,Portsmouth,Charlton,Birmingham and Blackpool would probably agree with my
    argument.
    Even the majority of true Manchester United supporters hate the Glazers and their debt loaded American ‘leverage’
    of the most famous name in English football.
    I think it’s high time for a change and sanity restored to the game of the people.
    Ironic you chose Sunderland as there was a wage cal in L1 and their fans felt it was unfair that Wycombe get 4k fans had the same cap and them getting 30k plus fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    Ironic you chose Sunderland as there was a wage cal in L1 and their fans felt it was unfair that Wycombe get 4k fans had the same cap and them getting 30k plus fans.

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    Well yes, it just holds back the bigger club because if Sunderland get 30k fans in L1 and Wycombe only get about 5k then they have 6x the income from ticket sales assuming the tickets are the same price. So they will have more income coming in and should be able to use their resources or the resources should be capped for everyone at that of the smallest clubs (which won't work as players are signed on multi-year contracts and that calculation will change every year).

    Surely the whole point of any FFP or similar intended measures is to make sure that the clubs spend within their means and also that they don't end up hung out to dry by owners who loan the club money and then call it back when they throw their toys out. Even in its current incarnation it's a bit unfair because someone like Marinakis isn't really allowed to invest more than a certain amount in the club even if he does it in such a way that it's a cash injection rather than a loan and hence not adding to the club's debt. It's his money and his club and he isn't allowed to do what he wants which is probably why they are looking into the ground and academy which are also worthwhile but don't really come under FFP in the same way. I suppose we have the various types who owned Notts and Portsmouth to thank for things like this.

    I suppose one way you could make it a bit fairer is to say that clubs can generate revenue exactly how they like and owners can contribute what they like provided that this isn't done as a loan. The club can then spend either within its income or with a certain proportion of debt. So the clubs are able to maximise their resources which doesn't make it artificially unfair on the big clubs.

    I'd also suggest scrapping parachute payments. Any player signing a new contract needs to have already agreed the rates in the lower division should the club be relegated during the contract, or should be able to negotiate a release. Will cover the costs because they have already adjusted the wage bill for relegation as well as giving the players a financial incentive to not go down. If you look at Fulham over the last couple of years they seem to have loaned out various parts of their squad consistently depending on which division they are in. And you wouldn't get them signing Knockaert on loan, getting promotion, making it permanent, then loaning him back out to the Championship and having him back when you go down...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If only there was an example to follow, perhaps a major European league, where clubs were actually owned by their members?

    What a revolutionary concept that would be!
    Have you applied for German citizenship yet?


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    Quote Originally Posted by valspoodle View Post
    Have you applied for German citizenship yet?
    You need eight years for that VP, I’ve not been here that long!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    If only there was an example to follow, perhaps a major European league, where clubs were actually owned by their members?

    What a revolutionary concept that would be!
    But only one team can win it.

    Someone at work recons they stole Leipzigs manager captain and striker over the last few seasons as well?

    Not sure how true that is but I know they used to do that to Dortmund quite a lot.

    Id be completely happy with that model but the example you provide has no competition and it looks like that won't change any time soon so is it really that good an example?


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    Quote Originally Posted by gamble View Post
    Ironic you chose Sunderland as there was a wage cal in L1 and their fans felt it was unfair that Wycombe get 4k fans had the same cap and them getting 30k plus fans.

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    Yes,but the salary cap could be linked to turnover(say 70%),rather than the current model of around 140% in many
    cases that is crippling clubs whilst players and agents get rich quickly.
    Obviously,no system is perfect but clearly the current debt ridden system is unsustainable.
    By the way,I think parachute payments need to be abolished as well(with contracts prepared to allow for salary
    cuts in the event of relegation).

    Last edited by Cloughie1975; 05-09-21 at 10:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    But only one team can win it.

    Someone at work recons they stole Leipzigs manager captain and striker over the last few seasons as well?

    Not sure how true that is but I know they used to do that to Dortmund quite a lot.

    Id be completely happy with that model but the example you provide has no competition and it looks like that won't change any time soon so is it really that good an example?
    Financially, yes, it does, because it allows a team to spend whatever money they can generate, as long as they effectively break-even.

    Bayern‘s current dominance is because they’ve got a budget almost twice that of their nearest competitor (Borussia Dortmund), and as such, they can pick any player from anywhere, with an offer that is too good to turn down.

    And yes, their coach is Julian Nagelsmann, formerly of Leipzig, who they paid a €20m release-clause for. They also signed Leipzig defender Dayot Upamecano and Leipzig‘s best player, Marcel Sabitzer.

    Although a lot of this money comes from commercial partnerships, there is also the significant income they get from the Allianz Arena, not just on matchdays; however, the financing and construction of that stadium is tied to the rather murky successful German World Cup 2006 bid, which saw it constructed, and that World Cup has been subsequently proven to be, shall we say, rather dubious in how it was awarded.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloughie1975 View Post
    Yes,but the salary cap could be linked to turnover(say 70%),rather than the current model of around 140% in many
    cases that is crippling clubs whilst players and agents get rich quickly.
    Obviously,no system is perfect but clearly the current debt ridden system is unsustainable.
    By the way,I think parachute payments need to be abolished as well(with contracts prepared to allow for salary
    cuts in the event of relegation).
    I agree with you tbh, I just thought it amusing you chose the 1 club who complained about the L1 cap.

    Tbf they just need to stop parachute payments, they're the reason we have clubs on ridiculous wages, why come to Forest who can only afford 10k a week when Bournemouth can offer 40k.

    It should be written into all premier League contracts that relegation to the second tier results in a 50% wages decrease or a minimum of say 10/15k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloughie1975 View Post
    Yes,but the salary cap could be linked to turnover(say 70%),rather than the current model of around 140% in many
    cases that is crippling clubs whilst players and agents get rich quickly.
    Obviously,no system is perfect but clearly the current debt ridden system is unsustainable.
    By the way,I think parachute payments need to be abolished as well(with contracts prepared to allow for salary
    cuts in the event of relegation).
    That will just ensure those at the top stay there. Look at Leicester, you think they'd be where they are if they couldn't spend more than 70%? There's got to be room for ambition. Maybe an owners charter taking responsibility in some way for debt incurred under their ownership?

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    Fulham beating Coventry.

    Soon the Championship will be splitting into 2 like in the Prem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Fulham beating Coventry.

    Soon the Championship will be splitting into 2 like in the Prem.
    Yeah the relegated clubs from last year (apart from Sheff Utd) certainly looking strong this year and then you've got Bournemouth and Stoke who are still in receipt of parachute payments who also look decent.

    But - I think 5th and 6th spot is still to play for. No other club has really stepped up like those aforementioned four.

    30/09/2021: It's only 8 points to the play-offs. Doesn't matter if we're 20th having lost three times as many games as we've won so far. I fancy us now that Hughton's gone.

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    Get in Coventry !


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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    Yeah the relegated clubs from last year (apart from Sheff Utd) certainly looking strong this year and then you've got Bournemouth and Stoke who are still in receipt of parachute payments who also look decent.

    But - I think 5th and 6th spot is still to play for. No other club has really stepped up like those aforementioned four.
    Agree mate.

    5th to like 16-18th is going to be so tight as ever in the Champ. You tick along and if you have a couple of amazing runs you could see yourself getting 5th or 6th from clubs outside that top 4.

    Stoke looked impressive against us and they had a good win v WBA last night so they look to be part of that top 4.


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    Coventry have came out this half with a rocket up their arse, well up for it


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    Cov now winning


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    3-1 Cov!


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    Rocket of a strike from the young Dutch loanee from Chelsea.

    Mark Robins. Doing a superb job. Back Up to 3rd if they win.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy View Post
    Rocket of a strike from the young Dutch loanee from Chelsea.

    Mark Robins. Doing a superb job. Back Up to 3rd if they win.
    Yes,the Coventry supporters I heard before the opening game against Forest sounded very pessimistic for the
    season ahead.
    It just shows you can never be too sure in the Championship.


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    4-1


 

 

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