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    Allow me a little tribute to Joe Kinnear. Some of my family are Luton fans and one of them got me a job working behind the scenes at the club during Joe’s time as manager. They played some fluid attacking football - contrary to his reputation as an incorrigible long-ball merchant - with players like Matt Taylor, Emmerson Boyce and Steve Howard to the forefront. I always found Joe to be a decent guy, too, with no heirs and graces about him.

    It’s worth remembering that Kinnear got us out of a hole when he took over in - when was it? - 2004. He was massively aided by David Johnson’s return from injury, but it’s hard to dispute that he got us organised and competitive. The sky-high expectations that followed (“We’re serious about promotion - are you?”) were unfortunate, but hardly his fault.


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    Poor bloke, something very close to my heart. I wish him all the best


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    Very sad news.

    This issue is not going to go away.

    I hope he can find comfort in the company of his loved ones.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Akeem, Prince of Zamunda View Post
    Allow me a little tribute to Joe Kinnear. Some of my family are Luton fans and one of them got me a job working behind the scenes at the club during Joe’s time as manager. They played some fluid attacking football - contrary to his reputation as an incorrigible long-ball merchant - with players like Matt Taylor, Emmerson Boyce and Steve Howard to the forefront. I always found Joe to be a decent guy, too, with no heirs and graces about him.

    It’s worth remembering that Kinnear got us out of a hole when he took over in - when was it? - 2004. He was massively aided by David Johnson’s return from injury, but it’s hard to dispute that he got us organised and competitive. The sky-high expectations that followed (“We’re serious about promotion - are you?”) were unfortunate, but hardly his fault.
    I seem to remember he got Williams really flourishing as well but he fucked off to Leicester that summer and was another disappointing summer for incoming players. I remember going to Wigan away first game of that next season and we were really threadbare.


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    Joe is very much an old school manager / character. Which I don’t mind to be honest.


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    Kinnear's had dementia for a while apparently and his family are only really going public now as it appears the disease is at it's later stages. Terribly sad.

    His best period of management was at Wimbledon, where he had the team competing well against all the big boys in the Premier League from 1992 when it first came about.

    He's always struggled with poor health during his management career and I recall he had to resign from Wimbledon because of a heart attack.

    I can only hope him and his family are going to be more comfortable now as he's been admitted to full-time care. Wishing them all the best.


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    My grandma has dementia, knows only a handful of words and rarely remembers anyone's name. Had an aunt over in England have dementia as well, couldn't bring myself to see her the last time I went.

    Dementia is probably the worlds most shit disease, its something you don't want your worst enemy to go through.

    This song is a audio and visual representation of dementia. Most people's reaction to it is crazy.



    Terrible for the Kinnear family.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BryanRoy22 View Post
    Kinnear's had dementia for a while apparently and his family are only really going public now as it appears the disease is at it's later stages. Terribly sad.

    His best period of management was at Wimbledon, where he had the team competing well against all the big boys in the Premier League from 1992 when it first came about.

    He's always struggled with poor health during his management career and I recall he had to resign from Wimbledon because of a heart attack.

    I can only hope him and his family are going to be more comfortable now as he's been admitted to full-time care. Wishing them all the best.
    Yes, and some of the really early signs can include misremembering things, especially regarding times, dates, names, longer term memories get affected less.

    I read that shortly after he left Newcastle (hence what I said earlier) then they noticed the personality changes (which are a later onset) and were told it was quite aggressive and reasonably advanced. Which led me to think he might have been in the early, undetected stages of the condition at the point he made the "Yohan Kebab" interview. Certainly at the time I wondered if he was half-cut which he might have been but it could have been other things.

    Still rated the guy as a manager and didn't feel after the summer he was backed enough to deliver the aim published on the STs, we finished in good form, and it was yet again another example in the ND/MA era where we eroded a position of strength not built on it.

    Vascular dementia is caused by reduced blood flow to the brain. So given the fact he has had two heart attacks before (one at Wimbledon and one at Newcastle) which we know of and who knows what else (which may have also been undetected or simply not public knowledge) if he'd had strokes as well this can also contribute especially if he's taking blood thinners for his heart issues for example. Houllier had those issues with his aorta and Ferguson had a brain haemorrhage not too long back and these conditions can all be related sometimes. Maggie Thatcher's dementia was brought on by her having a series of strokes which got worse.

    It's not going to have a good ending, because this condition just deteriorates as time passes on. Hopefully he will be happy in the time he has left.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Woodcock's LoveChild View Post
    Very sad news.

    This issue is not going to go away.

    I hope he can find comfort in the company of his loved ones.
    Indeed.
    Also,a very good player in the successful Tottenham side of the late 1960's and early 1970's.
    Best wishes Joe.


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    Dementia is shit. I feel really bad for him and his family.


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    Very sad news.

    Best wishes to Joe and his family.


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    I think people underestimate what Joe did in the 2003/4 season. Basically by early Feb we had got 28 points from 29 games, stone cold relegation form. Joe arrives and with the remaining 17 games gets us up to 60 points which get that form for whole season would be 83 points and in the play offs.
    So he took a relegation squad and converted them into a play off form team. All that followed is a matter of history but for those 17 games it was all there.
    In those days the RN commentary was still free on the internet and I spent every Saturday morning hunched my laptop in sunny Alabama living every kick.
    So best wishes for you Joe and thanks for those 17 games.

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    In the past this sort of thing was dismissed as normal, "he's just a bit senile", and we got on with life.

    Now we seem so much more caring and those with mental health problems are treated not forgotten.

    It can be hell for the family and friends and I wish Joe's family all the love and strength they need.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alabamared View Post
    I think people underestimate what Joe did in the 2003/4 season. Basically by early Feb we had got 28 points from 29 games, stone cold relegation form. Joe arrives and with the remaining 17 games gets us up to 60 points which get that form for whole season would be 83 points and in the play offs.
    So he took a relegation squad and converted them into a play off form team. All that followed is a matter of history but for those 17 games it was all there.
    In those days the RN commentary was still free on the internet and I spent every Saturday morning hunched my laptop in sunny Alabama living every kick.
    So best wishes for you Joe and thanks for those 17 games.
    Agree that he came in and did a job initially, he should have walked after the shambles of the summer transfer window that followed


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    Quote Originally Posted by NFFC_Chris View Post
    Agree that he came in and did a job initially, he should have walked after the shambles of the summer transfer window that followed
    Irons in the fire comes to mind.


 

 

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