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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde View Post
    I might be wrong but people these days seem far less willing to listen to the other side of the argument, they just try to shut it down

    My dad has always been staunchly socialist but has been best mates with someone who's voted Tory all his life, and to this day they regularly discuss politics

    He's a bit marmite but I don't know if anyone's read Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules for Life"? One of which is "assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t"

    It's a principle my dad tried to teach me and something I try and instil in my kids too

    Seems to me there are too many people these days unwilling or unable to genuinely listen to and understand the other side of a debate to their own POV

    Maybe it was always so, I don't know
    Agree with this. I have had the occasional’flounce’ I’m ashamed to say when talking of writing politics. But I have to say I have changed views on quite a few things in recent years through doing what your old man practices.

    There is not always a black and whit right or wrong answer and people often get their views from life experiences and lessons. Also there is a huge amount of doing what is right for you and your family which can take many political forms.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Blonde View Post
    I might be wrong but people these days seem far less willing to listen to the other side of the argument, they just try to shut it down

    My dad has always been staunchly socialist but has been best mates with someone who's voted Tory all his life, and to this day they regularly discuss politics

    He's a bit marmite but I don't know if anyone's read Jordan Peterson's "12 Rules for Life"? One of which is "assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t"

    It's a principle my dad tried to teach me and something I try and instil in my kids too

    Seems to me there are too many people these days unwilling or unable to genuinely listen to and understand the other side of a debate to their own POV

    Maybe it was always so, I don't know
    Too many crybabies you mean that can’t even hear a differing opinion without trying to find a way to berate the other person or gang up on them and close them down. Sorry, I meant ‘cancel’ them.

    It’s so common on the internet but not so much in person because people are less brave face to face without ten friends behind them to ‘like’ their comment and chip in with more condescending comments.

    It’s funny to watch but disappointing at the same time because closing down discussion never solved anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Agree with this. I have had the occasional’flounce’ I’m ashamed to say when talking of writing politics. But I have to say I have changed views on quite a few things in recent years through doing what your old man practices.

    There is not always a black and whit right or wrong answer and people often get their views from life experiences and lessons. Also there is a huge amount of doing what is right for you and your family which can take many political forms.
    Right. That’s it. You are cancelled Gobias. We’ve had enough of reading you extreme opinions that don’t conform with herd thought.


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    Default A week in politics

    Old Boris is at it again, joking that the U.K. could become the „Saudi Arabia of penal policy“ under hardline Home Secretary Priti Patel:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/insi...houghts-2021-9

    Last edited by Strummer; 15-09-21 at 06:56.
    „I believe in socialism because it seems more humanitarian, rather than every man for himself and 'I'm alright jack' and all those arsehole businessmen with all the loot. I made up my mind from viewing society from that angle. That's where I'm from and there's where I've made my decisions from. That's why I believe in socialism“

    „Don't forget you're alive. 'Cause sometimes when you walk around the city and you're in a bad mood, you can think, hey, wait a minute, we're alive! We don't know what the next second will bring and what a fantastic thing this is. This can get easily forgotten in the routine of life, and that's something I'm trying to bring to my attention at all times. Don't forget you're alive. We're not dead, you know. This is the greatest thing.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    Old Boris is at it again, joking that the U.K. could become the „Saudi Arabia of penal policy“ under hardline Home Secretary Priti Patel:

    https://www.businessinsider.com/insi...houghts-2021-9
    What's the sentence for fraud, money laundering, abuse of power/office, lying and causing deaths by lack of action in Saudi?

    "Ive only met Andy....last week actually and can confirm he is in 2nd place in sexiest fucker on here stakes." -Barry

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    Default A week in politics

    As I’ve posted before in this very thread, I remain convinced that Boris is just trolling the entire country at this point.

    Oh and to answer Andy‘s question, in Saudi, it’d be an appointment with a very sharp sword, and not for a Knighthood, either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OK SpidermAndy! View Post
    What's the sentence for fraud, money laundering, abuse of power/office, lying and causing deaths by lack of action in Saudi?
    Knowing the Saudi's, an office promotion, a hillside villa, nine virgins and a Bentley Bentayga.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strummer View Post
    As I’ve posted before in this very thread, I remain convinced that Boris is just trolling the entire country at this point.

    Oh and to answer Andy‘s question, in Saudi, it’d be an appointment with a very sharp sword, and not for a Knighthood, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvar Hanso View Post
    Woke up this morning to the news that Bozo was having a social media war with Nicki Minaj. Makes you proud to be British
    Sticking it to the foreigners, whatever the battle-ground!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    Too many crybabies you mean that can’t even hear a differing opinion without trying to find a way to berate the other person or gang up on them and close them down. Sorry, I meant ‘cancel’ them.

    It’s so common on the internet but not so much in person because people are less brave face to face without ten friends behind them to ‘like’ their comment and chip in with more condescending comments.

    It’s funny to watch but disappointing at the same time because closing down discussion never solved anything.
    Whilst you're right and that can be applied to most cases Bryn - there's also plenty of folks who'll jump straight into claiming they've been 'closed down' when some folks offer a differing opinion, challenge to their opinion (or sources which back it up) or request some sort of factual back-up to what they have presented.

    The two things together are why I've given up offering any sort of opinion or entering any sort of debate on social media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Whilst you're right and that can be applied to most cases Bryn - there's also plenty of folks who'll jump straight into claiming they've been 'closed down' when some folks offer a differing opinion, challenge to their opinion (or sources which back it up) or request some sort of factual back-up to what they have presented.

    The two things together are why I've given up offering any sort of opinion or entering any sort of debate on social media.
    Aye, me too for the most part.

    IRL, I have friends that are left, right, liberal, centre, confused and everything in between. We get on fine.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alvar Hanso View Post
    Woke up this morning to the news that Bozo was having a social media war with Nicki Minaj. Makes you proud to be British
    Is is over who has the biggest arse?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Gunn View Post
    Aye, me too for the most part.

    IRL, I have friends that are left, right, liberal, centre, confused and everything in between. We get on fine.
    Same. Even a chap who claims to be a Nazi.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Is is over who has the biggest arse?
    No, who is.

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    As interesting insight into the mind of Michael Gove today, with recordings of speeches he made in the debating society at Oxford coming to light.

    This quote stood at to me:

    "We are at last experiencing a new empire, an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner. At last Mrs Thatcher is saying I don't give a fig for what half the population is saying, because the richer half will keep me in power. This may be amoral. This may be immoral. But it's politics and it's pragmatism."

    These are the people the working class have elected and trusted to "level up" the North. They've been taken for complete and utter mugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    As interesting insight into the mind of Michael Gove today, with recordings of speeches he made in the debating society at Oxford coming to light.

    This quote stood at to me:

    "We are at last experiencing a new empire, an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner. At last Mrs Thatcher is saying I don't give a fig for what half the population is saying, because the richer half will keep me in power. This may be amoral. This may be immoral. But it's politics and it's pragmatism."

    These are the people the working class have elected and trusted to "level up" the North. They've been taken for complete and utter mugs.

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    Well, there it is.

    And Gove is - of course - considered one of the Conservatives‘ leading thinkers, so this is quite probably not a unique opinion amongst their MPs!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Project Zeus View Post
    As interesting insight into the mind of Michael Gove today, with recordings of speeches he made in the debating society at Oxford coming to light.

    This quote stood at to me:

    "We are at last experiencing a new empire, an empire where the happy south stamps over the cruel, dirty, toothless face of the northerner. At last Mrs Thatcher is saying I don't give a fig for what half the population is saying, because the richer half will keep me in power. This may be amoral. This may be immoral. But it's politics and it's pragmatism."

    These are the people the working class have elected and trusted to "level up" the North. They've been taken for complete and utter mugs.

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    How old was he when he said this? I'm sure most of our political feelings change as we age.

    Not that I want to defend the utter cretinous bellend, obviously, as he's never shown any evidence to the contrary to these recordings.


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    Frank Spencer has lost his job as Education Secretary.

    Which means there will no doubt be an even bigger cretin lined up to take over.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Frank Spencer has lost his job as Education Secretary.

    Which means there will no doubt be an even bigger cretin lined up to take over.
    I guess you could say it could all go a bit Frank Spencer.... And I'm talking gibberish!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    How old was he when he said this? I'm sure most of our political feelings change as we age.

    Not that I want to defend the utter cretinous bellend, obviously, as he's never shown any evidence to the contrary to these recordings.
    20 or so, I'd imagine.

    Of course the argument could be made that he's changed - Gove didn't bother with that that, because they never admit fault at all nowadays. His defence today was the classic, "it was all a joke!".

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    Three roles for Raab?

    He can't even manage one.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Three roles for Raab?
    Needs an extra a in his name to match


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    Liz Truss is the new Foreign Secretary. Fucking hell.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DanR View Post
    Liz Truss is the new Foreign Secretary. Fucking hell.
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