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    Ultimately, life is always going to be a pencil with no lead. Every thing is pointless to one degree or another. We are all worm food, slowly marching towards the grave.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    Ultimately, life is always going to be a pencil with no lead. Every thing is pointless to one degree or another. We are all worm food, slowly marching towards the grave.
    Plenty of lead in my pencil!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravi View Post
    Tbh I doubt you'll find many who still believe that the Labour Party is the party of the working class. The Labour Party of the last election focussed more on middle class urban elites and the identity politics millennials. Labour have seemed hostile to their traditional working class voters for a while now. Maybe it is changing under Starmer, but it might take a while to regain the trust of the 'red wall' voters who voted Tory last time.
    I really get that traditional Labour votes felt let down, even betrayed by what Labour had become. I get that sense of alienation and that sense of the party sort of looking down on them.

    What I don't get is for those to people to lend their vote to Bullingdon, multi-millionaire, never really had to lift a finger, absolutely fucking hate the poor Boris and his cohort. :shrug:

    People will say that they only did it once to get Brexit done, but the reality is the shift of working class votes from Labour to Tory has been happening for the best part of a decade. What are these people seeing in the Tories? I'm genuinely intrigued because apart from Boris's already proven bullshit "level up" mantra, the Tories have been quite disdainful of the working class throughout the lifetime of everyone on here.

    Is there anyone on here who's shifted allegiance and would explain? I'm genuinely wanting to know and do promise not to spit feathers at anyone who does respond.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    Ultimately, life is always going to be a pencil with no lead. Every thing is pointless to one degree or another. We are all worm food, slowly marching towards the grave.
    Compadre !

    When this actually dawns on individuals, their lives become so enriched.

    Folks worry and fret over everything and anything whilst their one and only existence rapidly ebbs away.

    Get living and laughing whilst you can is the best advice I've ever had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I really get that traditional Labour votes felt let down, even betrayed by what Labour had become. I get that sense of alienation and that sense of the party sort of looking down on them.

    What I don't get is for those to people to lend their vote to Bullingdon, multi-millionaire, never really had to lift a finger, absolutely fucking hate the poor Boris and his cohort. :shrug:

    People will say that they only did it once to get Brexit done, but the reality is the shift of working class votes from Labour to Tory has been happening for the best part of a decade. What are these people seeing in the Tories? I'm genuinely intrigued because apart from Boris's already proven bullshit "level up" mantra, the Tories have been quite disdainful of the working class throughout the lifetime of everyone on here.

    Is there anyone on here who's shifted allegiance and would explain? I'm genuinely wanting to know and do promise not to spit feathers at anyone who does respond.
    I'll try and explain but forgive me for not being great at it, I don't have enough knowledge to write it well.

    In the armed forces I was centre Right, at that time, most of us in were, it felt like they had our best intentions in mind.

    I left the Navy and lived in Yeovil and fell into a bit of a foul hole. The local MP (lib dem) personally helped me with a few matters that I won't go into at the time, so I flipped to them as they had my best interests in mind at that time.

    Recently I've moved again to centre left, as I currently believe that they have more of the values I believe in than any of the other parties.


    I view each election as a time to reflect on what I value for the country most and the party that has the most matching areas gets my vote.

    In my opinion politics should probably be fluid, otherwise it isn't a democracy. Voting one way just because you've always have is fine, but also be open to changing that vote, should a party align with your views more than the last one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I really get that traditional Labour votes felt let down, even betrayed by what Labour had become. I get that sense of alienation and that sense of the party sort of looking down on them.

    What I don't get is for those to people to lend their vote to Bullingdon, multi-millionaire, never really had to lift a finger, absolutely fucking hate the poor Boris and his cohort. :shrug:

    People will say that they only did it once to get Brexit done, but the reality is the shift of working class votes from Labour to Tory has been happening for the best part of a decade. What are these people seeing in the Tories? I'm genuinely intrigued because apart from Boris's already proven bullshit "level up" mantra, the Tories have been quite disdainful of the working class throughout the lifetime of everyone on here.

    Is there anyone on here who's shifted allegiance and would explain? I'm genuinely wanting to know and do promise not to spit feathers at anyone who does respond.
    My opinion is that it's simply down to people taking it as their duty that they have to vote and its either one or the other.

    Plus like I've said many times I was brought up on Labour being the saviors, they just had to win and everything would be ok.... well they got in and nothing in my area changed like they said it would. So bridges burnt I think.

    I'm also gonna throw it out there that it's the same reason people support Liverpool and Man United, people want to feel like they have backed the winner, so will choose the side they think will win so in turn they win.



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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxiRobriguez View Post
    I really get that traditional Labour votes felt let down, even betrayed by what Labour had become. I get that sense of alienation and that sense of the party sort of looking down on them.

    What I don't get is for those to people to lend their vote to Bullingdon, multi-millionaire, never really had to lift a finger, absolutely fucking hate the poor Boris and his cohort. :shrug:

    People will say that they only did it once to get Brexit done, but the reality is the shift of working class votes from Labour to Tory has been happening for the best part of a decade. What are these people seeing in the Tories? I'm genuinely intrigued because apart from Boris's already proven bullshit "level up" mantra, the Tories have been quite disdainful of the working class throughout the lifetime of everyone on here.

    Is there anyone on here who's shifted allegiance and would explain? I'm genuinely wanting to know and do promise not to spit feathers at anyone who does respond.
    Labour screwed the economy
    Labour are socialists
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    Labour let all the forrins to take your job
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    Labour will tax you more

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    Add get Brexit done and you're well away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    Plus like I've said many times I was brought up on Labour being the saviors, they just had to win and everything would be ok.... well they got in and nothing in my area changed like they said it would. So bridges burnt I think.

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    What did you expect to change? What would have made everything OK? I don't want this to come across as confrontational, I am genuinly intersted to see your answer. Where did Labout get it so wrong that people now think voting tory is the answer>


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    Ultimately, life is always going to be a pencil with no lead. Every thing is pointless to one degree or another. We are all worm food, slowly marching towards the grave.
    Fucking hell. Nearly as depressing as I imagine the match day thread is tonight


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Fucking hell. Nearly as depressing as I imagine the match day thread is tonight
    Never mind Gobz, yowv got Hull to wake up to tomorrow !


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Fucking hell. Nearly as depressing as I imagine the match day thread is tonight
    Stick with snooker like me mate, loads better


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    Stick with snooker like me mate, loads better
    I’ve always found snooker to be amazing...

    ...for solving my problems with insomnia.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    I’ve always found snooker to be amazing...

    ...for solving my problems with insomnia.
    You're watching the wrong games!


    Although you have a point, both the noise of snooker and golf I enjoy as it just lulls me into a relaxed state. Especially golf, if I stick that on I'm having a nap at 3pm.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    My opinion is that it's simply down to people taking it as their duty that they have to vote and its either one or the other.

    Plus like I've said many times I was brought up on Labour being the saviors, they just had to win and everything would be ok.... well they got in and nothing in my area changed like they said it would. So bridges burnt I think.

    I'm also gonna throw it out there that it's the same reason people support Liverpool and Man United, people want to feel like they have backed the winner, so will choose the side they think will win so in turn they win.



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    With the political system we have, put in football terms (from a decade ago). There is no point supporting Forest as they can’t win owt. So when Man Utd are up against chelsea for the title who do you want to win it? I don’t want either. But I fucking despise chelsea more than man United so I’d rather United win the title. The one I hate the least.


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    Also United winning the league grates on Liverpool, not sure where the political equivalent is in that caveat.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GOBIAS View Post
    Also United winning the league grates on Liverpool, not sure where the political equivalent is in that caveat.
    Winds up farage who everyone hates anyway?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Winds up farage who everyone hates anyway?
    Yesssss indeed


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    What did you expect to change? What would have made everything OK? I don't want this to come across as confrontational, I am genuinly intersted to see your answer. Where did Labout get it so wrong that people now think voting tory is the answer>
    I didn't expect anything, I was to young to vote when that was banded about but being from a mining community in the 80s they were the one great hope. They got in and nothing changed, whereas at least Thatcher gave people the opportunity to own their own house.

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    Not a dig at anyone here, but politics should be a subject learnt in school too, I can't for the life of me remember it being taught, everything I've learnt has been in my own time as an adult, a lot of people my age learnt it from their (probably biased) parents.

    The same as taxes and banking. There is a lot that schools should be teaching kids and they don't because they are spending an hour's lesson sticking dried pasta to an A3 sheet of paper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos View Post
    Not a dig at anyone here, but politics should be a subject learnt in school too, I can't for the life of me remember it being taught, everything I've learnt has been in my own time as an adult, a lot of people my age learnt it from their (probably biased) parents.
    Agree with this. I did start as a kid, but learned more about politics from Spitting Image than I did at school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by congo_red View Post
    Agree with this. I did start as a kid, but learned more about politics from Spitting Image than I did at school.
    It's crazy isn't it? My other half isn't thick in any sense of the word, but had no idea about how politics worked, she learnt most from the last leg. She has a better idea now, but she isn't an isolated case. I've only really learnt about it off of my own back for the last 5 years.

    Which brings about a fundamental issue with the "democracy" the majority that don't know/care enough will either not vote, or vote for the party their family/friends do, with no understanding of what they are actually voting for outside of supporting the same "team"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry View Post
    I didn't expect anything, I was to young to vote when that was banded about but being from a mining community in the 80s they were the one great hope. They got in and nothing changed, whereas at least Thatcher gave people the opportunity to own their own house.

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    We did bits of politics in odd classes like 'Citizenship', and a bit in history but usually historical. Had to wait til A levels to do Politics and we did (over two years) British Politics, American politics, and Ideologies (I did extra theoretical stuff). Stuff I did then still influences me now really, as I do a lot of theoretical stuff still.

    Totally agree on the view that we should have been taught how to do taxes and more basic real world stuff. The amount of hours I wasted doing shit like trigonometry bends my head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freddie View Post
    We did bits of politics in odd classes like 'Citizenship', and a bit in history but usually historical. Had to wait til A levels to do Politics and we did (over two years) British Politics, American politics, and Ideologies (I did extra theoretical stuff). Stuff I did then still influences me now really, as I do a lot of theoretical stuff still.

    Totally agree on the view that we should have been taught how to do taxes and more basic real world stuff. The amount of hours I wasted doing shit like trigonometry bends my head.
    There lies another issue, why should it only be taught to those that choose to go into higher education? The millions that don't miss out on that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hughton,we have a problem View Post
    What did you expect to change? What would have made everything OK? I don't want this to come across as confrontational, I am genuinly intersted to see your answer. Where did Labout get it so wrong that people now think voting tory is the answer>
    Labour went wrong by allowing the exploitation of cheap foreign workers to flood towns where there was already high unemployment. They let down the British working class in areas that had voted for them unconditionally for decades and the regeneration never happened.

    Voting Tory wasn’t the answer and neither was voting Labour.


 

 

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