whats the rule

[Oli-NFFC-9]

just seen the leicester v oldham penalty decision were the oldham keeper got a red card. The leicester player took the ball to the left away from goal. almost an exact replica of the tyson , bywater penalty. Why did bywater not get sent off. what is the actual rule as bywater clearly was the last man and denied tyson a scoring opportunity

 

[ForestNo10]

Because the ref for the cup match didnt know what he was mean to do.

 

[Rigler]

Like very many rules it's open to individual interpretation. If the ref decides he wasn't heading towards the goal then he may decide a goal scoring opportunity wasn't denied.

 

[WatnallRed]

Reff in derby game was correct.
As he was technically going away from goal its yellow!

 

[Oli-NFFC-9]

Reff in derby game was correct.
As he was technically going away from goal its yellow!

but so was the leicester player

 

[Flaggers]

From FIFA's LOTG 80-09...

LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
Sending-off Offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• serious foul play

• violent conduct

• spitting at an opponent or any other person

• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick

• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures

• receiving a second caution in the same match.


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Makes no mention of "last man" - just an 'obvious' opportunity.

This, sadly, brings in "interpretation", which is, coincidentally, an anagram of "to the benefit of ManU".

I'd have thought that other than on the goal-line, or running across the pitch, a striker 1-on-1 with the keeper is an obvious chance to score.

But since it's at the interpretation of the ref, and the average ref at the City Ground lately seems to be a bit of a pillock, that's what we get.

Sweet FA.

 

[adam09]

To my recollection it is "denying a goalscoring opportunity" which is the clear part of the rule. Could Tyson have scored? Possibly. Does it matter he was not going straight at the goal? No, of course not. A player could turn on the ball in an instant and have a shot... the keeper would have very little chance of recovering and, in Derby's case, there were no defenders around to stop it either.

If he has tonked it off the pitch however, that's obviously not going to lead to a chance to score, so a yellow card would be merited.

I haven't actually seen the Tyson incident on video so I'm not sure where the ball went.

 

[mouldy]

Bywater was considered to be denying a good attacking oppurtunity. Whereas the Oldham keeper was seen as denying a goalscoring oppurtunity.

So the ref gave a red card to the Oldham goalkeeper for that reason and it was a Bywater yellow card because it was a good attacking oppurtunity. I know they are similar scenarios but there were Derby defenders in the box at the time I think whereas it was a straight one on one Oldham v Leicester

 

[saunders:]]

[quote='Sir' Flagman ]
From FIFA's LOTG 80-09...

LAW 12 – FOULS AND MISCONDUCT
Sending-off Offences
A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:
• serious foul play

• violent conduct

• spitting at an opponent or any other person

• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area)

• denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player’s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick

• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures

• receiving a second caution in the same match.


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Makes no mention of "last man" - just an 'obvious' opportunity.

This, sadly, brings in "interpretation", which is, coincidentally, an anagram of "to the benefit of ManU".

I'd have thought that other than on the goal-line, or running across the pitch, a striker 1-on-1 with the keeper is an obvious chance to score.

But since it's at the interpretation of the ref, and the average ref at the City Ground lately seems to be a bit of a pillock, that's what we get.

Sweet FA.
[/quote]
Theres no M in interpretation. Or U. You couldnt be more wrong.

 

[06harlo]

as a referee myself..
i would of given a definate penatly for both and a yellow card.. as they were going away from the goal and at the pace the ball was travelling could of easily gone out before the player got there... how ever i would of definatly given a penalty for it still.
and yes its not about the rules, the referee is meant to apply the rules when interpreting a situation... so what the crowd sees is something different to the referee, and it is the referees interpretation that counts..

 

[adam09]

How does "going away from goal" stop it being a goal scoring opportunity? Obviously, a player can kick the football in a different direction to the way the ball is rolling and, if there is time, can control it, turn and shoot. The only time that kind of directionality would be relevant is if the ball is played to a position where the striker wouldn't have been able to score - ie off the pitch, off for a throw or something.

I didn't have a clue before, but having the Tyson incident on video, I think it's exactly the same as the Leicester one, just slightly further to the left of the box, and should have been a red card.

Tyson actually lands almost of top of the ball, and with Derby players only on the edge of the box, the net is empty, and Tyson could have hooked in towards goal first time or maybe even taken a touch before shooting. Simply put, it is, or would have been, a goal scoring opportunity with nobody in the way to stop it.

There is only one question you need to ask when making that decision... 'could the player have scored'? The answer is yes. Therefore it's a red card offence!

 

[weasel]

For me the distinction needs to be whether the keeper just runs out to intentionally bring the player down, or actually attempts to get the ball. Since in this instance its impossible to say for certain then I'm happy to see the player stay on the pitch. For blatant trips, from behind for example when the player is one on one, then I think that constitutes blatant cheating and a dismissal is warranted.

I think the powers that be need to seriously analyse what should constitute a player having to leave the pitch, not to mention the ban as well. No way should bywater face similar punishment to someone going in 2 footed, studs up, knee high. Keepers make mistakes, its just unfortunate for them that theyre always near the goal, and hence can always be deemed to be preventing this obvious goal thing.