Turner - is he what he is cracked up to be?

Gingers Across the Midfield

Gingers Across the Midfield

Jack Burkitt
now i didn't go to the game on sat but the goal which was conceded could have been dealt with a little bit better.

i also heard he ain't played since the end of the end of the 2007 season (except reserves)
 
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winnits

Guest
Turner could be no way held responsible for the goal, it was poor defending rather than a goalkeeping error. Naturally if Paul Smith had conceded it it would've been his fault.

That said, aside from one cross claim (that again, I'm not convinced Smithy would've got) he didn't really have a fat lot to do - his distribution was on a par with Smith's at best (I think worse), and he limply fish-handed a cross which again would've been highlighted more readily if Smith were there.

He had one save to make just before half time, which he made - nearly spilled it but recovered well. He was also caught horrifically off his line by Keogh whose shot from over 40 yards fortunately drifted wide. He was also beaten by Ebanks-Blake and would be thankful for a goal-line clearance.

Too early to form a conclusive judgement after one game with limited involvement, but on the evidence of that one game he is certainly not better than what we already have, however, he doesn't come with the retarded and unnecessary groans from the crowd for no good reason nor ironic cheering - so perhaps there is some unjust benefit due to our own fans' behaviour.
 
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winnits

Guest
I don't think Billy will go for Camp. He's not worth his reported wages, and I can't see him taking a reduction.

I do think he will seek to acquire a goalkeeper though, which is a good thing because even though I am a fan of Smith, he does need proper competition.
 
adam09

adam09

Bob McKinlay
Some of his Turner's kicks were absolute shite and a few times, he pumped it straight down the middle, where there was no Forest player. That said, the Wolves keeper was the worst kicker I've seen all season!

But it was nice to see so many people cheering Turner he caught a ball that was FOUR YARDS OUT. Because Smith never catches the ones in his 6 yard box :blink:
 
Baronvon

Baronvon

John Robertson
He looked competent but did nothing to suggest he's better than Smith. The only difference I noticed was that people seemed willing to ignore his mistakes, the likes of which Smith would have been slaughtered for. The double standards are irksome to say the least.

That said it'd be daft to judge him on the basis of one game so I'll watch his progress with interest.
 
Lee

Lee

Lurker of shadows
Baronvon said:
He looked competent but did nothing to suggest he's better than Smith. The only difference I noticed was that people seemed willing to ignore his mistakes, the likes of which Smith would have been slaughtered for. The double standards are irksome to say the least.

That said it'd be daft to judge him on the basis of one game so I'll watch his progress with interest.
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I fully noticed is mistakes. He is no better really, he deals with crosses better, but then his distribution seems to be vastly worse than Smith's. And thats to say Smiths wasn't great either.
 
Gary

Gary

No wonder my post count..
Here we go again. No keeper deserves to play for Forest if this is the way he gets treated.

I hope for his sake we get relegated so he can find a club with better fans.

Sorry to moan, but this is precisely the reason that why confidence at the back is non existent.
 
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northy121

Youth Team
f**k a duck the guy has played one game and some are already moaning about him poor lad even the likes of cech make mistakes give him a break
 
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mouldy

Viv Anderson
Only 1 game. But I was not impressed to say the least.
 
earthworm

earthworm

Jack Burkitt
northy121 said:
f**k a duck the guy has played one game and some are already moaning about him poor lad even the likes of cech make mistakes give him a break
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We clearly need to show AMBITION and sign that blue bloke off The Watchmen, he can then blow up any oncoming strikers and not make any mistakes, its the only way to be sure and keep us fans happy. It'd also be nice if we then drew Arsenal in the cup and blew up their moaning mob of an excuse for a squad.
 
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Monk De Wally De Honk

Guest
you ain't seen nothing yet - back him man , turner's overdrive
 
Azza

Azza

Viv Anderson
Wasn't impressed if I'm honest. Flapped at a few crosses, and his distribution and shot stopping ability didn't look great. Why we are playing this guy in front of Smith, I will never know. Turner - on that performance - isn't fit to tie Smith's boot laces.

I'd much rather see us use up one of the five loan slots somewhere else in the team.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Azza said:
Wasn't impressed if I'm honest. Flapped at a few crosses, and his distribution and shot stopping ability didn't look great. Why we are playing this guy in front of Smith, I will never know. Turner - on that performance - isn't fit to tie Smith's boot laces.

I'd much rather see us use up one of the five loan slots somewhere else in the team.
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Interestingly, I read a comment from someone last week who claimed Smith will be cleaning Turner's boots next season. Usual hyperbole, but as pointed out when we signed him, if people think he's better than Smith, they are in for a rude awakening.

Also, I think your point about use of the loan players is the most crucial thing at the minute. Smith isn't the problem, and as such, using one of the 5 available slots to replace him is a waste.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
Utah Saints said:
I fully noticed is mistakes. He is no better really, he deals with crosses better, but then his distribution seems to be vastly worse than Smith's. And thats to say Smiths wasn't great either.
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Really? I can't agree with that.

There was a very simple cross to take in the second half, which he was reluctant to take, and that resulted in the goal line clearance.

He also punched a cross into the floor.

You're basing this whole assumption on the first cross he took which, whilst under pressure, was about 3 yards from the goal line. Smith would have taken that. Turner didn't take another cross that could be deemed anything but exceptionally straight forward.

Then again, you were probably one of the ones involved in the huge cheer that went up when he took it.
 
DanR

DanR

Steve Chettle
Rich. said:
Also, I think your point about use of the loan players is the most crucial thing at the minute. Smith isn't the problem, and as such, using one of the 5 available slots to replace him is a waste.
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Agreed, and dropping him for a loan player for the second time this season is bound to affect his confidence. If Turner gets injured, Smith will have to come in for the most important games of the season knowing that the manager, some of the players and a section of the support have little faith in him. I'm sure there must have been a better way to rebuild Smith's confidence.
 
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tom1990

First Team Squad
Baronvon said:
He looked competent but did nothing to suggest he's better than Smith. The only difference I noticed was that people seemed willing to ignore his mistakes, the likes of which Smith would have been slaughtered for. The double standards are irksome to say the least.

That said it'd be daft to judge him on the basis of one game so I'll watch his progress with interest.
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So Smith does make mistakes? :eek:
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
tom1990 said:
So Smith does make mistakes? :eek:
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Every player on the pitch has made a mistake at some point.

Often people add phantom mistakes to their recollections of the games when talking about Smith, though.
 
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dellaroc

Jack Burkitt
This whole debate has gone beyond ridiculous. People are now queuing up to slate Turner after just one game. And are their judgements based on real perceptions, or just skewed loyalty to Smith?

I think, after Burnley it was evidently clear that we needed a change in nets and any change would do.

Be it the result of incompetence or a lack of confidence due to ongoing scapegoating, Smith needs a spell on the bench, for his sake and, more importantly, the sake of the club as a whole.
 
Rich

Rich

Rice IV
People aren't queuing up to criticise Turner.

Just pointing out that on Saturday his performance was below what I would have have expected from Smith. However, it seems irksome that people are all up for Canonization based on him not being Paul Smith.

He had obvious flaws, far more obvious than Smith. I personally think it is a mistake to use one of the 5 available slots to field a loan goalkeeper who isn't as good as our actual goalkeeper.

That's the sort of move that costs us big time, and is one that is quite clearly an attempt from Mr Self Promotion himself to curry favour with the fans.
 
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dellaroc

Jack Burkitt
I'm not sure how you can categorcally state that he's not as good as Smith after one game against the league leaders.

And surely you can appreciate the irony in you, Mouldy et al, having spent all season dismissing criticism of Smith as irrational and focussed on very minor detail, all of sudden striving to find fault with our new number 1?

Furthermore, bemoaning the lack of support shown to Smith by his own fans, before writing Turner off after 1 performance; his first in 18 months no less.

All I'm saying is (not for the first time), the two sides of the "debate" have become so entrenched that rational perspective is in very short supply.
 
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