Jimmy
Viv Anderson
Tuchel for ENGLAND!
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Chappers85
Can't Play Left-Back
Well, as long as we don't drive German cars, eat bratwurst at Christmas markets, and have a rising proportion of our population clamour for far right politics that target hate towards minority groups, we'll retain our English identity!
I suppose the only comparison I can make is imagine if there was a World Cup of Ice Hockey and the USA couldn't find their own coach so instead had to employ one from Canada or Russia.
Jules Rimet bleibt glänzend!
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
I dont think you have thought about it deeply than. I am on the side that I dont mind a non British coach but I can understand the principle that it should be your countries best vs anothers. It makes completes sense and to be honest its a prnciple that is being eroded in sport which needs to be protected especially when it comes to eligibility rules for players. So I can understand the sentiment and its definelty not "Xenophobic" and the other stupid exagerrations that people are painting out. Its just 2 valid opposing views thats all that comes down to preference. I think the manager falls outisde the principle of our best vs your best but its completely understandable by why people would want to include the manager in that.
treejockmcplop
Grenville Morris
For me its not even about it having to be 'England's best' or whatever, although I suppose that is important.
Its about the England vs Germany football rivalry. Growing up I felt that even stronger than Forest vs Derby. It was just one of those all encompassing things like the FA cup final that seemed to matter to absolutely everyone when I was young.
Back in the 90s, there wouldn't even be a momentary lapse in which someone even imagined England having a German manager.
These days no-one gives a shit and all that stuff is just getting thrown out of the window and I dunno... It just kinda makes the game worse. Just another step in the ceaseless middle-classing of football.
What happens now if we play Germany in a knockout game? Win or sack Tuchel? Its an easy way to forever lose the trust of the fans in one game anyway.
Its about the England vs Germany football rivalry. Growing up I felt that even stronger than Forest vs Derby. It was just one of those all encompassing things like the FA cup final that seemed to matter to absolutely everyone when I was young.
Back in the 90s, there wouldn't even be a momentary lapse in which someone even imagined England having a German manager.
These days no-one gives a shit and all that stuff is just getting thrown out of the window and I dunno... It just kinda makes the game worse. Just another step in the ceaseless middle-classing of football.
What happens now if we play Germany in a knockout game? Win or sack Tuchel? Its an easy way to forever lose the trust of the fans in one game anyway.
England lose on penalties ….
Monkman
Jack Burkitt
These are all spurious comparisons though, because Tuchel's percentage was given only for cup competitions. It's much easier to have a high win ratio in cup competitions than in the league, because there's no possibility of draws.
Edit - just googled, his win ratio in all competitions is 57%. Still impressive then!
treejockmcplop
Grenville Morris
I'd tell you to get out but this is more your place than mineEngland lose on penalties ….
Huxley
John Robertson
As rivalries go though, I believe it's more akin to Forest/Leicester then Forest/Derby.
Bohinens_chip
Youth Team
And England are the Leicester in the equation.
Germany Netherlands is a much bigger grudge match in the eyes of the germans
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Genuinely believe Tuchel is the very best we could have landed, so credit to the twats at the FA who pulled it off. If they represent the best chance of silverware I couldn't care less whether they were English, German or even human. I'm on board...
Alan Akbah
Failed to take the Popside in half a minute
France was our "traditional" enemy up until WW1. "We" would have lost at Waterloo without both our own German troops and Blucher's.
The French are not our enemy, and the Germans have long got over WW2, it's time we did as well.
The French are not our enemy, and the Germans have long got over WW2, it's time we did as well.
Gyros Peter
Sauce salad?
Yup, but f*** the french still though right?
DanR
Steve Chettle
The Germans realised that their main enemy was how the country was configured for the benefit of a war mongering elite, many of whom were then happy to sponsor the Nazi ideology.
It is about time in this country that we realised that our greatest enemy is not Germany, France or wherever this week's scapegoat happens to be, but the outmoded way in which the country is ruled, which encourages deference to the apparent 'betters' in society while turning a blind eye to their behaviour.
Anyway, I'll get off my soapbox now and wish Mr Tuchel a successful time as England manager.
treejockmcplop
Grenville Morris
I don't hate the Germans, in fact its my favourite country to visit and I love the place.
I just happen to enjoy a football rivalry. They don't have to be based on actual hate you know.
Alan Akbah
Failed to take the Popside in half a minute
I didn't say you did
I don't hate Derby or people from Derby
Farage couldn't care less about football. He's from a background that thinks it's for Oiks like us. But he will pretend to be angry about it because he knows it plays well with the Lee Anderson's of this world.
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treejockmcplop
Grenville Morris
Yeah I get what you're saying.
I guess it just feels wrong. It'll probably become normal after a short while though.
On the other hand, could you not say the same thing about the players? Why are we so bothered about their passports? Surely the players should be allowed to choose whatever country they feel like representing. If we're going to start to disassociate national identity from the international game we may as well just have a Premier League best XI or something.
Alan Akbah
Failed to take the Popside in half a minute
Worked for Tony Cascarino and it happens in Athletics all the time
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Also depends on who you manage., Tuchels only non big side was Augsburg. I like stats I think they get unduly derided but you have to try and place stats in context and use your eyes as well.
EmmersonForest4
Steve Chettle
Thats my point as well, its ridicilous to get on your high horse about not caring about nationality in "Internationl" footy. I dont agree that the manager has to be English but I am not gonna score cheap political points and call people Xenophobic who do. When in fairness they make salient points that I struggle to argue against. I just feel that the manaement role falls outside the need to be English but I totally understand what others would get upset about it.
As for the war what well find in the future is there will probably be more songs because in the sporting arena people make banterous songs. Its only because its in living generation that its a bit sensitive. If England fans sang about Agincourt to the French I gurantee you no one will get on their soapbox about it. I went to Germany in the summer and the Germans I met have a good sense of humour contradictory to popular opinion and would have banter back with you with songs like 10 German bombers.
I also agree its totally the Middle-Classing of football in progress here. Songs have always been insenitive and hard nosed. Its only a metaphor but I call it the "Twickenisation" of football. Ironically and I love Rugby Union but the players have expressed their preference for segregated crowds now to up the atmosphere of games. So I think Rugby Union will quite rightly look at Football and Rugby League and are trying to get away from this Middle-Classing of sport.
Alvar Hanso
Jack Burkitt
Embracing English football history by having a Bobby Charlton haircut
Spirit of 66!
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Viv Anderson
This whole debate about the standard of English managers is getting stupid. I heard some muppet going on about how rob Edwards was our next biggest hope managerially as he had done such a great job with Luton and yet nobody wanted to go near him for a bigger role…
No mention of the guy who the previous season had successfully avoided the drop with an unfashionable team, come through the England managerial ladder where he’d won a World Cup…. But oh yeah, he’s not English either.
Just being an English manager shouldn’t get you on the shortlist to be the England manager.. you actually have to show some capability to manage a team.
No mention of the guy who the previous season had successfully avoided the drop with an unfashionable team, come through the England managerial ladder where he’d won a World Cup…. But oh yeah, he’s not English either.
Just being an English manager shouldn’t get you on the shortlist to be the England manager.. you actually have to show some capability to manage a team.
I'm Red Till Dead
Stuart Pearce
I only just saw that Tuchel had been appointed yesterday.
Could this explain why I awoke yesterday morning dreaming Englnd had won the World Cup?
Shame I took it to Brazil to show it to some school kids there, after which for some reason I put it in a scrap metal lorry thinking no one would notice it and it would be safe. When I went back it though it had been taken and replaced with a television aerial of some sort. I didn't find it before I woke up.
Could this explain why I awoke yesterday morning dreaming Englnd had won the World Cup?
Shame I took it to Brazil to show it to some school kids there, after which for some reason I put it in a scrap metal lorry thinking no one would notice it and it would be safe. When I went back it though it had been taken and replaced with a television aerial of some sort. I didn't find it before I woke up.
Mr. Blonde
TWO-NIL! 👀
Whenever I read the title of this thread I always hear it in the voice of Brian Moore commentating on an England player scoring
"Tuchel!! For England!!!"
"Tuchel!! For England!!!"