Trent End: Time to bury this sacred cow?

[garrilla]

OK, before I start let me just say that I've been Trent End Man-and-Boy. I had my first junior season ticket in 1978 and used to sit up in the rafters on the middle pen. And I remained a season ticket holder there after the new stand was erected. So I know what the Trent end is all about.

At Forest we hold the Trend End in High Esteem. Its location by River is part of our mythology. In its hey day the old shed-style stand was like a boom-box: the chants, the songs, the camaraderie were all part of the appeal. It status as the 'spiritual' stand remains, if we win the toss we play to the Trent end in the 2nd half. You all can probably add more.

However, it has become a bit of a library. And I'm starting this thread because on Saturday I took a couple of kids and we sat up in the BC where we heard the TE in full voice just once in 100+ mins of play. Fans in A block and the UB Corner don't even sing their "trend end, Trent end, give us song" any more because, frankly, they know its not coming.

I first thought about this about 20mins in the 2nd half on Sat. Derby were on the front foot, chasing the game, playing toward their fans in the LB. Forest, unsure and losing their comfortable cushion playing towards the Trent end. Only one of these sides were being spurred on and their fans and it wasn't the might Reds. Its at times like these, when were drained and on the back foot, that you need the spirit to be iginited and the red fire to burn in the soul of every Garibaldi fan in the ground.

I realise that I may burn in hell for this, but should we not locate the away fans in the lower Trend end? Lets have our song makers and chanteuses in the lower Bridgeford where the can make some noise? And lets turn ground the around and make the Bridgford end the spiritual stand?




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[winnits]

Home grounds in general have lost their way on this front. It's the curse of all seater stadia and the increasingly santised matchday experience thanks to our friends in high-vis jackets.

Whilst I agree with your comments regarding the Trent End, I think you'd find the same problem in pretty much every spiritual 'home' end around the country. It's even worse in those grounds that have sprung up from some kind of meccano inspired nightmare in the last 20 years.

 

[yam]

Away fans should be given the worst corner of the ground, the lower bridgford should not be an away end, it didn't used to be. wouldn't it be better to have home fans behind both goals?

 

[Azza]

I swear it's something to do with the acoustics or something. I have a season ticket in T3 and more often than not it's a decent enough atmosphere. Not great but still, bot a library as you've described it. On Saturday especially, the only time Upper Trent was quiet was when Derby were on top in the second half - and most of the ground was quiet then anyway. The rest of the time it was a brilliant atmosphere.

 

[Lee]

I swear it's something to do with the acoustics or something. I have a season ticket in T3 and more often than not it's a decent enough atmosphere. Not great but still, bot a library as you've described it. On Saturday especially, the only time Upper Trent was quiet was when Derby were on top in the second half - and most of the ground was quiet then anyway. The rest of the time it was a brilliant atmosphere.

Saves me typing it. I agree with this homie.

f*** all you TE haters.

Its the best place to sit still. Compared to sitting in the VC corner for the 64724672 rendition of "We hate Derby"

We have some style and class in our end.

 

[JoeBaker]

I swear it's something to do with the acoustics or something.

Although I can understand the logic of the arguement I don't go along with all the acoustics b*****ks, when the Bridgford use to be an open terrace, you use to get a right racket springing from it for some games. Take Celtic 83, the noise was amazing yet we're talking about a terrace with no roof where noise would freely escape but I would imagine you would have been able to hear the singing coming from that end in the Market Square. Now granted Celtic at home was a special night but I can think of many other games as well. All seater stadiums have been the biggest problem when it comes to atmosphere. Understand their introduction but their is no escaping the fact that atmosphere wise something has gone

 

[Azza]

Although I can understand the logic of the arguement I don't go along with all the acoustics b*****ks, when the Bridgford use to be an open terrace, you use to get a right racket springing from it for some games. Take Celtic 83, the noise was amazing yet we're talking about a terrace with no roof where noise would freely escape but I would imagine you would have been able to hear the singing coming from that end in the Market Square. Now granted Celtic at home was a special night but I can think of many other games as well

I actually have no idea whether it is the acoustics or not, it's just the only explanation I can put forward as to why other parts of the ground can't hear us when it's actually quite loud!

 

[winnits]

Plus it was loud and clear against Derby toward the end of the game

Mind you, the old Trent End had the worst acoustics to contend with - the sound bounced back off the low roof making it deafening when you were in there!

 

[Flaggers]

I swear it's something to do with the acoustics or something. I have a season ticket in T3 and more often than not it's a decent enough atmosphere. Not great but still, bot a library as you've described it. On Saturday especially, the only time Upper Trent was quiet was when Derby were on top in the second half - and most of the ground was quiet then anyway. The rest of the time it was a brilliant atmosphere.

Saves me typing it. I agree with this homie.

f*** all you TE haters.

Its the best place to sit still. Compared to sitting in the VC corner for the 64724672 rendition of "We hate Derby"

We have some style and class in our end.

:tophat: :tophat:

 

[matt1988]

To be fair there are some older grounds like ours where the home supporters make some great noise behind the goals. Wolves last season springs to mind, obviously the 5-1 win helped, but having a kop behind each goal with a sea of orange was pretty intimidating and definitely spurred them on. The kop at Sheffield United was impressive as well, and Leeds make some great noise from the North Stand. I've always thought it'd be great if we built a kop at the Bridgford end one day and get all of the singers in there. With an improved Main Stand to house the away fans the City Ground could really be a fortress...but obviously that's a big ambition and would take some time!

 

[Timothy Pope]

Being a seasoned Lower Trent Ender I would agree with the original post.

But it's not that we don't want to sing, but where a few voices in certain areas of the ground can make a lot of noise. Any noise in the Lower Trent seems to evaporate, discouraging people from continuing chants.

I like the view I get from where I sit, so am reluctant to move to a more 'atmospheric' stand. When there was talk mooted in the close season about opening up the Lower Bridgford to home fans - I was delighted, because along with VC Corner - it has the best acoustics in the ground, yet I would be able to get an equivalent view..

 

[RedMark]

I would sit away fans in the Lower Clough stand at the Bridgford End. Have both sets of fans behind the goals and the away fans in a area that isn't great, like at Old Trafford. You don't tend to hear the away fans there as they are crowded and surrounded by the home fans

 

[adam09]

Home grounds in general have lost their way on this front. It's the curse of all seater stadia and the increasingly santised matchday experience thanks to our friends in high-vis jackets.

I don't think it's the stewards, they're just doing their job. It's the people who come to watch football, sit down, don't shout, swear or sing. It's because of them the atmosphere is dead. I don't want to refuse them their right to watch football in the slightest, but they should be put in the Brian Clough stand. How hard could it be, when STs go on sale, to make the Trent End into a singing stand once again?

 

[adam09]

Another thing - I've sat in 3 different places the last 3 seasons in the TE... it's SO quiet. It's ok when we sing Mist Rolling In... at the start but and it was ok for the most part against Derby, but the WBA and Watford games were silencio. Nobody around me makes a noise (which makes me sound even more like a moron)... Lilly Savage could take a dump on the penalty spot and still nobody around would shout up.

I miss the old Trent End. I miss passionate, vocal support!

 

[winnits]

I don't think it's the stewards, they're just doing their job. It's the people who come to watch football, sit down, don't shout, swear or sing. It's because of them the atmosphere is dead. I don't want to refuse them their right to watch football in the slightest, but they should be put in the Brian Clough stand. How hard could it be, when STs go on sale, to make the Trent End into a singing stand once again?

They're the custodians of change, you're right, not the instigators.

 

[adam09]

They're the custodians of change, you're right, not the instigators.

I'm sure they'd rather we made their jobs a bit more exciting for them ;D

 

[alabamared]

OK, before I start let me just say that I've been Trent End Man-and-Boy. I had my first junior season ticket in 1978 and used to sit up in the rafters on the middle pen. And I remained a season ticket holder there after the new stand was erected. So I know what the Trent end is all about.

At Forest we hold the Trend End in High Esteem. Its location by River is part of our mythology. In its hey day the old shed-style stand was like a boom-box: the chants, the songs, the camaraderie were all part of the appeal. It status as the 'spiritual' stand remains, if we win the toss we play to the Trent end in the 2nd half. You all can probably add more.

However, it has become a bit of a library. And I'm starting this thread because on Saturday I took a couple of kids and we sat up in the BC where we heard the TE in full voice just once in 100+ mins of play. Fans in A block and the UB Corner don't even sing their "trend end, Trent end, give us song" any more because, frankly, they know its not coming.

I first thought about this about 20mins in the 2nd half on Sat. Derby were on the front foot, chasing the game, playing toward their fans in the LB. Forest, unsure and losing their comfortable cushion playing towards the Trent end. Only one of these sides were being spurred on and their fans and it wasn't the might Reds. Its at times like these, when were drained and on the back foot, that you need the spirit to be iginited and the red fire to burn in the soul of every Garibaldi fan in the ground.

I realise that I may burn in hell for this, but should we not locate the away fans in the lower Trend end? Lets have our song makers and chanteuses in the lower Bridgeford where the can make some noise? And lets turn ground the around and make the Bridgford end the spiritual stand?




{please wait until I'm 10 paces before you take aim ]

Firstly you most certainly will burn in hell and I will stoke the fire and poke you with a pointed stick! I am right now contacting hit men in the Nottingham area to get you there even quicker.

I think the first erroneous assumption that you make is that 'spiritual homes' as you call them can be created overnight. They can't the grow up that way over a long period of time and that to be honest is why a lot of the new Lego grounds have no real feel to them. It's the great planners mistake you can't create these things they have to mature.

You quote 1978 as your first year and really hope you aren't making the assumption that Forest and the Trent End didn't really exist before then, which I think a lot of fans do. The Trent End was the Trent End many many years before that as far back as I can remember and as far back as my father could remember which is a long time. To simple say that we will change a few things around and hey presto the Bridgeford End will be the new focus is a simple thought to say the least.

The singing from the old Trent End was fabulous and the great thing was it used to act as a catalyst the singing would spread around three sides of the ground (the main standers were never any good) and pretty soon the whole ground was a cauldron of noise.

Back in the day when the Bridgeford End was an open kop it was mostly occupied by Forest supporters; if my memory serves me the opposition fans were generally sold seating in the old East Stand and standing in the Main Stand (pre fire) and this split them up nicely.

I think the way we should be thinking is 'how do we bring the Trent End back to it's former level of influence' and therte is a simple answer ti this;

RIP OUT THE SEATING GET A COUPLE OF EXTRA THOUSAND IN THERE AND ROCK THE JOINT

 

[garrilla]

I only said that my first year in the trent end was 1978. Prior to that I used to go with an uncle and stand in the Bridford Road end on a milk crate that he kept in the boot of car just for me! And in those days the corner under what is now VC corner and the section of the east stand were where the put away fans.

I accept the trent end has a rich history, but that rich history is one in the shed-style (and who knows, whatever preceeded it maybe, thankfully I'm not that old). However, we don't have sheds or standing these days and the two tiered trend end that exists today is not the same place. It's 'spritual' by name only.

 

[RRRREDUN]

I can't understand the original comments re. noise coming from the TE. Against the Sheep, for the most part, it was the loudest I've ever remembered it, especially when we were 'digging in' when the spawny sheep had been gifted the two ogs. Now if you want loud, go no further than our music system. No wonder people were unable to hear us Trent-Enders - they were deaf from the pre-match 'entertainment'. Talk about atmosphere-killer. BTW can someone give me a link so that I may communicate my irritation with someone at the club. I'm not an old git - I just want to be able to have interesting conversations with people/mates I only see in the ground!! One other point - they were thinking about allowing standing areas again in grounds - we talked extensively on threads about this last season.

 

[yam]

Firstly you most certainly will burn in hell and I will stoke the fire and poke you with a pointed stick! I am right now contacting hit men in the Nottingham area to get you there even quicker.

I think the first erroneous assumption that you make is that 'spiritual homes' as you call them can be created overnight. They can't the grow up that way over a long period of time and that to be honest is why a lot of the new Lego grounds have no real feel to them. It's the great planners mistake you can't create these things they have to mature.

You quote 1978 as your first year and really hope you aren't making the assumption that Forest and the Trent End didn't really exist before then, which I think a lot of fans do. The Trent End was the Trent End many many years before that as far back as I can remember and as far back as my father could remember which is a long time. To simple say that we will change a few things around and hey presto the Bridgeford End will be the new focus is a simple thought to say the least.

The singing from the old Trent End was fabulous and the great thing was it used to act as a catalyst the singing would spread around three sides of the ground (the main standers were never any good) and pretty soon the whole ground was a cauldron of noise.

Back in the day when the Bridgeford End was an open kop it was mostly occupied by Forest supporters; if my memory serves me the opposition fans were generally sold seating in the old East Stand and standing in the Main Stand (pre fire) and this split them up nicely.

I think the way we should be thinking is 'how do we bring the Trent End back to it's former level of influence' and therte is a simple answer ti this;

RIP OUT THE SEATING GET A COUPLE OF EXTRA THOUSAND IN THERE AND ROCK THE JOINT

I think that away fans (post fire) were in the old East stand in a section towards the Trent End, they moved to the Bridgford end corner when we built the Executive Stand (aka Brian Clough Stand).

 

[Bridgfordred79]

The Trent End on saturday was magnificent.

all of the back 4/5 rows were stood up for most of the game, and when Billy was spurring the fans on at the end it was very, very very loud.

A LOT of the chants chanted by the CG were started by a bloke in front of me in T5.

 

[chib-e]

Trent End is the Don!
Would be gutted to see away fans in there! But agree with the posts about the all seater stadia taking the atmosphere from grounds, bigtime!
Imo its again down to the Scouses, who, while tragic, ruined another part of football with the Hillsborough disaster.
The Old Trent End was facking fantastic, so many memories in there, the noise and banter was quality. So were Forest actually!
I still live in hope Forest can be that good again, and maybe one day, we can stand in terraces and soak it all in again.

 

[andygough86]

terrace lower trent and lower bridgeford, put away fans in lower clough.

 

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terrace lower trent and lower bridgeford, put away fans in lower clough.

Wolves do this.

 

[Anatoli]

Last time I sat there, I thought it was great. Even though I was with Liz.

The sound doesn't carry somehow but the fans still sing and it's not full of Chavs.