Transfer Panel, arghhhhh!!!!

Ricky27

First Team Squad
For all the good business that was done in the Summer the transfer panal simply had time to make these signings. l believe that the wheels move far too slow, too slow for January. I agree with what BD says or understand it about not being ready for the Premier, because the way it works is baffling, confusing and just silly. Why does it take so many people to sort out a transfer? You know what they say about too many people in the kitchen spoils the broth and I certainly believe this is the case here.

Yes I understand BD shouldn't get a blank cheque book but please back the man, he is clearly a good manager at this level and deserves to be given what he wants, if it means that he can't because of the price or wages etc, at least tell the guy how much he has to spend if anything, or at least explain why it can't or won't happen. I am sick and tired of Forest putting in shitty bids for real quality players that we are clearly not going to get, is everyone else stupid? And we are very clever? no not really, past January windows support this.

Give BD the bloody money, I hate all the w**king about from this transfer panal, it's stupid. You will say we did great business with Gunter etc, and yes I realise this, but who is to say BD couldn't have done this too? We must remember that the last January window was a failure and it could have been so different come the end of the season if BD hadn't been in charge or things hadn't gone our way, who would we be blaming now? The transfer panal certainly risked our status in the championship last year, It definately papered over the cracks when we brought the players we did in the Summer. BD said himself they were the ones we were supposed to have made in January. There is nothing wrong with our manager (We are in great hands) or our chairman but there is with our transfer panal it's crap and pointless. The Panal are again showing their inadequacies in the January window, and we simply cannot keep this structure working (It doesn't work now) within the Prem if we were to get there, it wouldn't work, they are too slow and we cannot afford that in the Prem has most clubs have to make signings in January to survive etc. What do our panal do in January? Lets be honest here they wait and put in pointless bids, stupid, and if anything is going to hold us back from going to the next level whether this season or next it's this!

This is not a dig at anyone but the transfer panal and my own personal view on them, I wish to see the manager get a budget for himself to buy the players or the transfer panal step up to the plate and make it work, basically give me a reason to eat my words. Right now I feel sorry for BD He and every fan knows what we need but the panal seem oblivious to it, which brings me back to last January as an example, did they really know what they were doing? I guess not. They risked our club being a Division 1 club again without knowing for sure we would avoid relegation, so I can understand that BD would be pissed off, I would be if I was him. Now under BD's great management and granted great signings in the summer we are up there, but again the panal seem so slow to get anything done when 1 or 2 more players could see us stay in automatic and get up to the Prem which is worth around 60 million or leave it and be in the playoffs at the end of the season. Granted I didn't expect us to even make the playoffs at the start of the season (None of us did) but now we are in the position, lets be decisive and get the players in, even if we miss out in the playoffs, automatic or whatever I am sure they will be invaluable next season as BD is trying to build a team for the Prem. This is something that needs to be sorted because it's a pain in the arse and simply doesn't work. Give BD a chance and give him a budget that will not break the bank, what's wrong with that?

Flagman edit - Panel, not panal. Was driving me nuts!
 

Glen's Biggest Fan

Viv Anderson
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

Theres still some time, the transfer window is still open, i think the offers have been made and its all down to whether they accept or not, they will probably delay that and wait for a bigger offer to come along IMO. Just give it time :p
 

Ricky27

First Team Squad
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

ad said:
How's that kneejerk working out for you?

Mate, as I said in my post I want them to prove me wrong and make me eat my words.
 

red robbo

A. Trialist
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

Dog shit rant - if we had won today you would not even have made it. Billy is a top draw manager if he did not like the present situation he could quite easily walk away and get another job tomorrow, he knows what the score is, if we can get players at the right price then we will sign them , but lets be honest the current squad have not done too bad so far this season.
 

Snake

Youth Team
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

The transfer panel is all about ensuring we attract and acquire the best quality of player we possibly can. Given that we know little of the way in which it actually operates, I think it's impossible to criticise except on the calibre of player we bring in, and so far on that basis it has been a success. It seems there are some people who would rather we signed anyone for the sake of it, just to fill problem positions, than attracted a player of sufficient quality to make it worthwhile. Take left-back as a for instance. We have somebody at the club already in Chris Cohen who was doing that job very well. It meant we missed something from midfield, but Moussi is capable of providing a similar level of performance albeit in a different role. Would it be worth, therefore, compromising on ability just for the sake of having a left-back? I'm not sure, I think the panel would be right in aiming for somebody of the ilk of Bale or Shorey.

But personally, I like the transfer panel. What I don't like is that we seem to make our moves towards the end of January which gives us little time to move on should we be unsuccessful (see rumoured bid for Pratley).
 

Anatoli

Stuart Pearce
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

I'm fairly sure I read something recently where Davies praised the transfer PanEl.
 

Ricky27

First Team Squad
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

Chivalry Augustus said:
The transfer panel is all about ensuring we attract and acquire the best quality of player we possibly can. Given that we know little of the way in which it actually operates, I think it's impossible to criticise except on the calibre of player we bring in, and so far on that basis it has been a success. It seems there are some people who would rather we signed anyone for the sake of it, just to fill problem positions, than attracted a player of sufficient quality to make it worthwhile. Take left-back as a for instance. We have somebody at the club already in Chris Cohen who was doing that job very well. It meant we missed something from midfield, but Moussi is capable of providing a similar level of performance albeit in a different role. Would it be worth, therefore, compromising on ability just for the sake of having a left-back? I'm not sure, I think the panel would be right in aiming for somebody of the ilk of Bale or Shorey.

But personally, I like the transfer panel. What I don't like is that we seem to make our moves towards the end of January which gives us little time to move on should we be unsuccessful (see rumoured bid for Pratley).

Hence why I stated the wheels move to slow. I would like the panel if it worked and made moves quicker, that is the problem as well as the derisory bids.
 

Ricky27

First Team Squad
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

red robbo said:
Dog s**t rant - if we had won today you would not even have made it. Billy is a top draw manager if he did not like the present situation he could quite easily walk away and get another job tomorrow, he knows what the score is, if we can get players at the right price then we will sign them , but lets be honest the current squad have not done too bad so far this season.

Hey not a rant, simply my opinions which is what the forum is about. Your right I wouldn't have said if we had won today I would have said it on Monday when we ended up with no one. I said BD is a top manager in my post too, it's not BD's fault, and was not a dig at him just the way we go about doing business.
 

Erik

oopsy daisy!
LTLF Minion
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

Ricky27 said:
I would like the panel if it worked and made moves quicker, that is the problem as well as the derisory bids.
Granted, that is an accusation that has been levelled at us in the past - but, from the reported, or rumoured bids we are supposed to have made for players this January, which ones were 'derisory'? I can't think of one at the moment.
 

Strummer

Vorsprung durch Technik
LTLF Minion
It's very easy to get carried away in the heat of a poor performance against the sheep-shaggers and look for people to blame.

But let's be honest. If we'd pasted them today, nobody would be complaining about the "panel". They did good work in the summer, bringing in reinforcements to a side that finished 19th in the league, so much so that that side now *still* sits 2nd in the table, with 18 games to go, still with a realistic shot - at the very worst - at the playoffs.

Would you rather we spunk money like a drunken sailor on shore leave, and end up like we were 8-9 years ago? Properly skint, and at the mercy of whatever unscrupulous characters wanted to pick at the club?

We may not like the way the "panel" works, but I would maintain they've done us no harm so far, in view of the signings made in the summer.

As we al know, January is not a time for picking up bargains.

I trust Billy, he's presented a list, but - and this is important - we don't know if that list is *permanent* or *loan* signings. It all really depends what league we're in next year.

I would much rather we reinforce with a couple of quality loans - much like last year - than by the "wrong" players now.
 

It's Baggio

John Robertson
Mr Red said:
Can anyone clarify when the loan window next opens and closes?

Opens a week after the main window closes, Feb 8th.

Closes on the 4th Thursday in March, the 25th.
 

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Where do you find this useful info - I've been trying without success for a while!?!
 

It's Baggio

John Robertson
Someone from the Football League e-mailed me the loan reg's back in the Summer.

I C+P'd them in the Shorey thread last week.
 

Flaggers

May not be the best moderator on LTLF, but he's...
LTLF Minion
Ah yes - I remember reading that now.

Thank you - will save a copy for reference.

When I emailed the FL they were less than helpful!
 

adam09

Bob McKinlay
But hardly anybody has made big transfers in January, most deals are done towards deadline day. Nobody wants to lose their best players either.
 

JWJW

Banned
The Transfer Panel is a good thing.

What it does is not stop the manager wanting players, he can submit whoever he wants to it and the panel will, in general, attempt to sign them if they feel the reasoning behind the move is correct.

What the transfer panel stops is :

Managers buying donkey's to get a bung off of the agent.
Managers overpyaing for players due to pride and wanting to outbid someone else.


Billy Davis is a football manager, he should concetrate on team and tactcs and squad and what players should be sold and what players should be brought in (and that is what he does).

He is not however a wheeler and dealer, he is not a negotiator and his time is best spent with the squad. The transfer panel is the wheeling and dealing business man machine and they will act on Billy's list and attempt to sign, however, they will not buy shit and they will not overpay.


I think Billy did not like the idea when he did not know how it worked fully, but now he has seen it working over the summer he actually likes the Forest transfer panel set up.
 

The_City_Is_Ours

Viv Anderson
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

Ricky27 said:
Mate, as I said in my post I want them to prove me wrong and make me eat my words.

The transfer panel has given us the following quality signings;

Chris Gunter, Paul McKenna, Lee Camp, Raddy Majewski andDexter Blackstock.

For all the annoying delays you've got to say it works just from these acquisitions - if you link these to our league position then you've got to say the system works
 

Rogue

Jack Burkitt
Maybe the sheep result is a wake up call to the TP.

Time to get their fingers out of their bungholios.

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Ricky27

First Team Squad
We had MA admitting last January that we put in bids for 3 players that he knew would be rejected due to the amount offered. This year we put in a 1.5m bid for Victor Moses, that was never going to get him even if it was between us and West Brom, it's a derisory offer. BD has said he put his list to the board with various packages etc, communication is lost somewhere because BD doesn't know how much he has in his budget. BD's targets are of course getting acted on (To what degree I don't know) but far too slow and in derisory terms. We will leave this window until Monday and bid for players that are just not available for 1m and that's exactly what we will offer. It's fair enough if we can't afford to put in 3m or so I don't want to see the club broke but maybe if they told BD they couldn't afford it or wages are too high etc, he wouldn't add these players to the list and just have realistic targets. Of course I don't know details but I am sure someone said the other day day that Crystal Palace and us are the only Clubs not to have brought yet. There are clubs in this league that move faster and get the job done quicker than our Panal. Not only that but we look into February and March and we have 3 - 4 first teamers out long term and maybe we look on things then and think we could have done with a couple of players in January.

Seriously guys we nearly paid for it last January and if it comes to the end of this season we end up disappointed because with one or two additions we could have moved up to the next level, we might feel as though we missed a trick. Truth is no one will be disappointed with the way the season has gone, why would we, I am sure no one on here expected or predicted this position that we sit. Why rest on it though? What if next year we don't find ourselves in this position?
 

Ricky27

First Team Squad
Re: Transfer Panal, arghhhhh!!!!

The_City_Is_Ours said:
The transfer panel has given us the following quality signings;

Chris Gunter, Paul McKenna, Lee Camp, Raddy Majewski andDexter Blackstock.

For all the annoying delays you've got to say it works just from these acquisitions - if you link these to our league position then you've got to say the system works

Yes mate definately if they are given the right time i.e. all Summer to secure these type of players. Surely these are BD's targets put forward for them to act on, who is to say BD couldn't have got those deals himself. Good times I admit getting these players but BD said himself these were the players we should have added in January and we nearly paid for it mate. The Panal risked our status in the Championship.
 

Ricky27

First Team Squad
JWJW said:
The Transfer Panel is a good thing.

What it does is not stop the manager wanting players, he can submit whoever he wants to it and the panel will, in general, attempt to sign them if they feel the reasoning behind the move is correct.

What the transfer panel stops is :

Managers buying donkey's to get a bung off of the agent.
Managers overpyaing for players due to pride and wanting to outbid someone else.


Billy Davis is a football manager, he should concetrate on team and tactcs and squad and what players should be sold and what players should be brought in (and that is what he does).

He is not however a wheeler and dealer, he is not a negotiator and his time is best spent with the squad. The transfer panel is the wheeling and dealing business man machine and they will act on Billy's list and attempt to sign, however, they will not buy s**t and they will not overpay.


I think Billy did not like the idea when he did not know how it worked fully, but now he has seen it working over the summer he actually likes the Forest transfer panel set up.

Can see your point here. If we have this Panal it must work in January too mate, not just Summer. It just seems we are not even close to adding any in January, if we have it then it must work which in my opinion it doesn't. I like the theory but the practice seems to be lacking some what.
 
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