The World Famous City Ground - Home of the PROPER WORLD‘S OLDEST LEAGUE CLUB

[Redemption]

I wouldnt bother conparing us, or any clubs attendances to 25 years ago. Football has changed. Its far more accessable and family friendly today than ever before.

which is exactly why I also looked at EPL attendances for last 10 years

 

[Franzy]

If you have a subscription to The Athletic.........

Forest set 2024 timeline for City Ground revamp

Nottingham Forest’s determination to re-establish themselves as one of England’s elite clubs involves having a new-look City Ground “fully operational”...

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[Robert Learnshaw]

Interesting point about it being an extra 5k seats, wouldn't that take us to 35k, instead of the touted 38k?

 

[Redemption]

Interesting point about it being an extra 5k seats, wouldn't that take us to 35k, instead of the touted 38k?

Good spot.

 

[Tobias]

Interesting point about it being an extra 5k seats, wouldn't that take us to 35k, instead of the touted 38k?

I was always under the assumption that that was the case, and that the 38k figure included the potential future redevelopment of the Bridgford End.

 

[REDDERS78]

which is exactly why I also looked at EPL attendances for last 10 years

How did that impact your view/ reference to our attendance from 3 decades ago though?

Either way it matters little I guess, I thinks its obvious that we need a bigger capacity, probably beyond the exapansion plans.

 

[REDDERS78]

Interesting point about it being an extra 5k seats, wouldn't that take us to 35k, instead of the touted 38k?

The 38K was with the Bridgeford part included too.

 

[Tiff]

These lot are screwed unfortunately. My office looks directly in to St James' and the whole leazes issue means it's a no go. If they want to have 80k capacity they will have to move, possibly to the arena site which is being demolished (and it's huge). Ultimately though, I couldn't give two hoots about them.

If you walk into town and go past the working man’s club, look up and you’ll see a Star of David on the building

Three small windows to the right used to be my bedroom many years ago.


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[Redemption]

How did that impact your view/ reference to our attendance from 3 decades ago though?

Either way it matters little I guess, I thinks its obvious that we need a bigger capacity, probably beyond the exapansion plans.

I was making two points in the same post

1. Conventially, we're not a club that ever filled the stadium 79/80 was the best year for attendances post-war so even though we were to remain in the top flight for the next 18 years, less one season, the attendances fell to a level, similar after 96 expansion - but, as you say times change, so do crowds, etc so...

2. if we can't draw any strong inference from our past attendances, then what are clubs in the EPL like in the recent era - which is where we see about 80% capacity except in some circumstances - top 6, very small clubs, post-Covid blips, and a team doing really well, like Leicester

if you take those two things together and you make some assumption about Forest in the future - like staying in the EPL but just coming 10th to 15th berths, I would say we're not likely to get full houses at 38k for very long

because, what I believe happens at almost all football clubs - after any initial enthusiasm has worn off from a good run, you get an attrition rate from a group of fans who get bored of a mediocre run

(this is the same argument for not lowering ticket prices - you will fill the stadium temporarily, but there are always fans who get bored of a mediocre run and then you're back to 75% capacity on 50% of the price)


will we see an exception run that can change this? possibly
will we see a terrible run that ends in relegation and expedites the leakage, quite likely

 

[DizzyBala]

So our record gate receipts is still, £499,099 vs Bayern Munich in UEFA Cup quarter-final second leg, 19 March 1996.
That averages out at about £16 per ticket.

With our ticket prices being between £9 and £40 for games like West Ham, we should beat that record this season right, or does it discount season tickets as individual gate receipts?

 

[Rzar]

So our record gate receipts is still, £499,099 vs Bayern Munich in UEFA Cup quarter-final second leg, 19 March 1996.
That averages out at about £16 per ticket.

With our ticket prices being between £9 and £40 for games like West Ham, we should beat that record this season right, or does it discount season tickets as individual gate receipts?

That is well outdated, even if everybody paid season ticket price last season for Liverpool home game at £28 - it would have been £820k

 

[REDDERS78]

I was making two points in the same post

1. Conventially, we're not a club that ever filled the stadium 79/80 was the best year for attendances post-war - but, as you say times change, so do crowds, etc so...

2. if we can't draw any strong inference from our past attendances, then what are clubs in the EPL like in the recent era - which is where we see about 80% capacity except in some circumstances - top 6, very small clubs, post Covid blips, and a team doing really well, like Leicester

if you take those two things together and you make some assumption about Forest in the future - like staying in the EPL but just coming 10th to 15th berths, I would say we're not likely to get full houses at 38k for very long

because, what I believe happens at almost all football clubs - after any initial enthusiasm has worn off from a good run, you get an attrition rate from a group of fans who get bored of a mediocre run

(this is the same argument for not lowering ticket prices - you will fill the stadium temporarily, but there are always fans who get bored of a mediocre run and then you're back to 75% capacity on 50% of the price)


will we see an exception run that can change this? possibly
will we see a terrible run that ends in relegation and expedites the leakage, quite likely

Fair enough.

I was unfortunate enough to see us for the 3 seasons in L1 where we averaged 20k over the 3 season. ive also seen us in happier times previously with lower attendances than that, but most clubs did.

I dont really anticipate those times returning If Im honest. Weve always been an impulsive fanbase like everyone else. Its an impossible comparison to make given the power of the Premier League. We sold 20k season tickets last season with Hughton in charge, and now nobody can get a ticket for love nor money, I just think that any tail off would be far less rapid than weve previously seen across many clubs over the years.

We''ll see Im sure, I just dont see that theres real benchmark or guage to make that prediction with any real conviction given the modern matchday experience and the impact Premier League football will have on the city.

 

[Morpeth]

If you walk into town and go past the working man’s club, look up and you’ll see a Star of David on the building

Three small windows to the right used to be my bedroom many years ago.


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This is a bit weird…

 

[Dirk Furtull]

I think it's safe to say that we are unlikely to demolish the stadium and rebuild it.

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[REDDERS78]

This is a bit weird…

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Dont get this????

 

[Harvey]

Dont get this????

It appears our Tiff and this Jessica character lived in the same gaff at one point or another

 

[Morpeth]

Dont get this????

Tiff will.

Turns out my niece Jessica lived in Tiffs old bedroom when she was at uni!

 

[Harvey]

Tiff will.

Turns out my niece Jessica lived in Tiffs old bedroom when she was at uni!

Didn't realise she was your niece! (Although if I wasn't being thick I would've noticed the Edgar in her name).

Obviously no disrespect was intended in my post.

 

[Morpeth]

None taken.

She will now forever be known as “this Jessica character!”

 

[Redemption]

It's a weird thing.

I shared a bed with Alvin Stardust at school, although he was there 30 years before me.

I've always made more of it than he did.

 

[stockers]

The 38K was with the Bridgeford part included too.

I think we could have built a larger Peter Taylor stand, 10,000 is not a big stand by todays standard Liverpool's main stand holds 20,000. I think we may regret not building something a but bigger..

 

[Redemption]

I think we could have built a larger Peter Taylor stand, 10,000 is not a big stand by todays standard Liverpool's main stand holds 20,000. I think we may regret not building something a but bigger..

There's no way you would get a stand of that size on the current site.

Liverpool had to knock down two rows of houses to build it. They knocked down a 8,500 capacity stand!

 

[Harvey]

I think a new 10,000 Peter Taylor Stand and the extension of the Bridgford Stand to bring the WFCG up to 38k is enough TBH

 

[Redemption]

You can see the footprint of the Anfield Main Stand here - and also the new Anfield Road Stand, which will literally have a tunnel in to accommodate a road that couldn't be closed or rerouted. And opposite the main stand, for size comparison is the 12,000 Kemlyn Rd Stand (or Kenny Dagleish stand)

 

[Cloughie1975]

I think a new 10,000 Peter Taylor Stand and the extension of the Bridgford Stand to bring the WFCG up to 38k is enough TBH

Certainly for now-if/when we hit a rough time I reckon those shouting loudest now will be nowhere to be
seen.