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The Southampton Situation

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dave45678

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Yes - I know there are threads on this already but I am hoping for some clarity.

Will the points deduction come into play this season or next?

Apparently it comes into effect this season if it would effect who gets relegated?

Does anyone have an official line on this?
 
I went to Southampton Charlton yesterday. Based on that game (and our win in December) I honestly think we can finish above Southampton points deduction or not. They are under so much pressure and it shows.

That being the case any deduction will be irrelevent to us.
 
If the points deduction would result in Southampton being relegated, then it will come into effect this season.

If they were to be relegated before the 10 point deduction, then they would start next season on minus 10.

And if somehow, the impossible were to happen, and they finished more than 10 points clear of the relegation zone, it would come into effect this season, and they would start next season on zero points in the championship.
 
Erik said:
I went to Southampton Charlton yesterday. Based on that game (and our win in December) I honestly think we can finish above Southampton points deduction or not. They are under so much pressure and it shows.

That being the case any deduction will be irrelevent to us.
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I have spoken to a few saints fans who went yesterday, what was the match like?

Anything to fear when we meet on the last match of the season.
 
I just cannot imagine that the football league are in a position to allow any creative accounting or sharp shares shuffle to allow Southampton off the hook.

No one could blame Ken Bates and Leeds Utd , Luton Town and a.n. Other who have suffered this penalty, not bringing action against the Football League, on behalf of their own clubs.

However as it stands at the moment, the rule's are quiet specific, It has to be the Football League Club who goes into administration, NOT the parent Company. So as it stands the Saints will escape the ten points deduction. Unless the will exists to close this loophole now, with some other form of charge being directed at the club which could incurr the 10 point deduction.

Hot days ahead.
 
Marriboom! said:
I have spoken to a few saints fans who went yesterday, what was the match like?

Anything to fear when we meet on the last match of the season.
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Charlton played like a team already relegated and Saints seemed scared shitless by a big crowd. In reality a poor game contested by two poor teams but enlivened by 5 goals and a missed penalty.
All the goals stemmed from either defensive errors or poor defending. Southampton were shocking really. Hoofed it up to two front men who never won a header all game. Defense all over the place at times - I've described watching our defence as like watching the Keystone cops at times but if anything Saints were even worse!

What to fear on last day? Seriously? From me, the eternal pessemist? Nothing. Except ourselves.
 
sedgred said:
I just cannot imagine that the football league are in a position to allow any creative accounting or sharp shares shuffle to allow Southampton off the hook.

No one could blame Ken Bates and Leeds Utd , Luton Town and a.n. Other who have suffered this penalty, not bringing action against the Football League, on behalf of their own clubs.
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It's claimed the bulk of the debt is down to the new stadium. That being the case, if the holding company has the debt they must be paying for, and therefore, 'own' the stadium. So, how do the football club get an income? and how do they pay for the stadium on a matchday?
The two organisations are so intertwined you can hardly see a difference. I think the Football Authorities will take the view that the two are in effect, the one and deduct points using their discretionary powers anyway.
I believe, having seen them, that if Southampton taking a penalty affects our final position then we're shagged anyway.
 
I think the deducation will happen this season, unless they do a Leeds. Then they would be f**ked for next season too, so I guess it would be better to do it soon.
 
Southampton Football Club has not gone into administration and is still operating normally even with it's ridiculous debts.

However, the whole debate comes into the parent company Southampton Leisure Holdings who has gone into administration and since they own the club it is the argument over whether or not since they own the club Southampton should go into administration to (well that's what I gather)

I think the points deduction will depend entirely on the chances of a buyer coming in and saving the club. If there is somebody or it's highly likely somebody will buy the club they probably won't recieve a 10 point deduction this season because at this stage of the season there is not much point in it. However, If it looks like the club will be out of existence I think they will recieve 10 points deducted because it will mean there that there is only the basement divisions affected by the loss of the club in terms of numbers of teams in each league.

Should they go bust imagine the amount of free players available Davis, Surman, McGoldrick, Rasiak even John.
 
I wonder if there would actually be any point in Southampton even attempting any legal or fiscal gymnastics to avoid what appears to be the inevitable. I would imagine that in the minds of those in control of the club the key issue will be getting rid of the debt by the easiest method possible.
Surely taking the hit now and starting with a clean balance sheet in League 1 would be in their interest.
If they insist in pissingoff the FA with legal challenges and chicanery like Masterbates did, it will just cost them more in the long run.
I think they will just want rid of the basic problem.
 
Joburgred said:
I wonder if there would actually be any point in Southampton even attempting any legal or fiscal gymnastics to avoid what appears to be the inevitable. I would imagine that in the minds of those in control of the club the key issue will be getting rid of the debt by the easiest method possible.
Surely taking the hit now and starting with a clean balance sheet in League 1 would be in their interest.
If they insist in p**singoff the FA with legal challenges and chicanery like Masterbates did, it will just cost them more in the long run.
I think they will just want rid of the basic problem.
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Yes but a championship club in financial trouble sounds a mcuh better prospect to a buyer than a league one club in administration doesn't it? Having the chance of staying up is the best thing for the club at the moment because interest in Southampton will drop if they do take the blow and are relegated now.
 
mouldy said:
Yes but a championship club in financial trouble sounds a mcuh better prospect to a buyer than a league one club in administration doesn't it? Having the chance of staying up is the best thing for the club at the moment because interest in Southampton will drop if they do take the blow and are relegated now.
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I see your point but surely if they write off the debt and take the drop they will NOT be in administration anymore? The club is re-floated with a clean sheet in League 1.
That in itself may be an attractive proposition to an investor as he gets a "big" club cheap. Ummmm! Think I'll phone my uncle in Lehman Bros. - Damn they have gone into admin too!
Hang about - if every Forest supporter bought shares in Southampton's holding company at 1 pence in the the Pound - we could asset strip and relegate them AND ensure we won the last game of the season 50v0. Do you think the FA would suspect anything?
 
Joburgred said:
I see your point but surely if they write off the debt and take the drop they will NOT be in administration anymore? The club is re-floated with a clean sheet in League 1.
That in itself may be an attractive proposition to an investor as he gets a "big" club cheap. Ummmm! Think I'll phone my uncle in Lehman Bros. - Damn they have gone into admin too!
Hang about - if every Forest supporter bought shares in Southampton's holding company at 1 pence in the the Pound - we could asset strip and relegate them AND ensure we won the last game of the season 50v0. Do you think the FA would suspect anything?
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True but they need an owner ASAP and I think that is why they are trying to keep out of Admin. It is pretty clear that if by the end of a season a buyer doesn't come in then they are out of existence. Therefore they have to make Southampton look as attractive a prospect as possible which is probably why they are looking to avoid administration.
 
dave45678 said:
Yes - I know there are threads on this already but I am hoping for some clarity.

Will the points deduction come into play this season or next?

Apparently it comes into effect this season if it would effect who gets relegated?

Does anyone have an official line on this?
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i'm surprised you don't know someone who alreadys knows dave2335 - you usually do
 
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